The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[SupermanFan]

Wasn't all this about the fact WB wanted Cavill to do Shazam! which basically fulfilled his contract, leaving him out of the running and he wanted to negotiate a new contract using that 4th showing as leverage to which WB said bye bye!

No they wanted him to do a cameo and he & his agent said let’s do that cameo as a part of the old deal thus ending that contract and sign him to a new contract probably 3-4 films or something. But WB weren’t happy with the demands so all walked away with the existing contract still in place which has one film left on it.

 

[Vaibow]

No they wanted him to do a cameo and he & his agent said let’s do that cameo as a part of the old deal thus ending that contract and sign him to a new contract probably 3-4 films or something. But WB weren’t happy with the demands so all walked away with the existing contract still in place which has one film left on it.

kinda same thing really - using the Shazam! cameo as leverage

I am so thankful that he is back - I mean, Cavill, it made him and he will never go hungry again, but damn it's taking its time

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Disagree - the brand of superman, it's still very strong. The s shield is as just as prevalent on merchandise. I do agree this generation could turn the tide, but he's just so iconic.

what get's kids hooked is the secret identity, flying and being invulnerable, luckily kids get superman, fast... then it just stays for nostalgic reasons and parents allow their kids to watch the donner movies, wear pj's etc due to their own experiencing. It's only the hot topic crowd who really are vocal about being different and liking the opposite.

What I personally see is that Superman is still a popular merchandising symbol more than he is a character right now, a bit like Mickey Mouse.

But, yes, I ultimately agree that kids have an intrinsic understanding of the character and that is a huge part of why I think if they're smart Superman could be a huge deal again. Young people in general for that matter. If you actually interact with teenagers who are into superhero stuff they're very, very receptive to positive and optimistic characters.

 

[Flash525]

Whilst I get the disappointment, cause let’s face it, we all want a sequel to Man of Steel, but let’s just see how this plays out before we all hit the curb.

There’s no point throwing another film out there just yet, especially with a big lineup of films already underway, that, and WB are blatantly waiting to see how Zack’s JL film does with its numbers before they make any big announcements with their big characters.

He'd be fun as a supporting player in Shazam/Black Adam though! And if this gets me more Amy Adams as Lois it's an acceptable trade off.

Shazam and black adam make sense and maybe wonder woman 3

I don’t think he’d appear in WW3. Her films are very much stand alone, and I think they’ll continue that theme with the trilogy, despite the third film taking place in the present day.

Shazam 2 seems the most likely, as that’ll no doubt be where Shazam and Black Adam face off; what better way to throw Superman into the party than with these two? It’s a no brainier really, short of another solo outing.

Not quite seeing how he’d be much use underwater either... Flying is different to swimming.

 

[jetage]

So he is going to do a cameo, or have a small part in another hero's movie, is this really what he was supposed to do?

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Whilst I get the disappointment, cause let’s face it, we all want a sequel to Man of Steel, but let’s just see how this plays out before we all hit the curb.

There’s no point throwing another film out there just yet, especially with a big lineup of films already underway, that, and WB are blatantly waiting to see how Zack’s JL film does with its numbers before they make any big announcements with their big characters.

While there is likely some truth to this I don't know how much WB is actually waiting on the Snydercut before they make plans with those characters. We know what they're doing with all of them at this point except the full details on Superman and Cyborg but even if JL was a huge hit I don't think the Cyborg movie would have ever happened. Wonder Woman is going strong, Aquaman is getting a sequel, Batman is being rebooted and The Flash is deep in pre-production (though it must be in flux right now with Ezra's... incident. It: Chapter Two being absolute garbage and Ezra being a woman beating **** has me rooting against it now.)

 

[Flash525]

While there is likely some truth to this I don't know how much WB is actually waiting on the Snydercut before they make plans with those characters. We know what they're doing with all of them at this point except the full details on Superman and Cyborg but even if JL was a huge hit I don't think the Cyborg movie would have ever happened. Wonder Woman is going strong, Aquaman is getting a sequel, Batman is being rebooted and The Flash is deep in pre-production (though it must be in flux right now with Ezra's... incident. It: Chapter Two being absolute garbage and Ezra being a woman beating **** has me rooting against it now.)

From what I’ve read (naturally this is all speculation at the moment) the Snyder cut has a lot more focus on Cyborg than Whedon’s JL did, and whilst I’m sure the character was likely never at the top of the solo film linkihood, if there’s more context to his character in the cut, then maybe he’ll have a future - doesn’t even have to be a solo outing either. Partner him up with Barry in a Flash sequel?

If WB want to introduce Superman as a supporting character, why can’t they do the same with another league member? I’m sure once Gal is done with her trilogy she’d be up for reprising her role as more of a support act too.

Regarding the incident with Ezra, all I know of it is what’s posted by the media, and the media are known all too well for speculation, misjudgement and blowing stories whey out of proportion. I wouldn’t put too much claim on the known facts surrounding this story, though it obviously wasn’t too smart a place for Ezra to put himself in, but that’s an argument for elsewhere.

 

[Nemeres]

What I personally see is that Superman is still a popular merchandising symbol more than he is a character right now, a bit like Mickey Mouse.

I agree. My guess is, when the layman audience thinks Iron Man, they think of RDJ's performance. When they think Superman, they think t-shirts and tattoos.

 

[GreenKToo]

A Superman film needs to be special. It needs to be unique and it needs to be great. The character has a lot to prove and, it pains me to say this, I don't think he's particularly popular among the general audience.

I believe that can change but they absolutely cannot half-ass it.

For arguements sake IF they make a solo film,
For me, the telling thing will be who they get to direct. If they Get a up and coming unknown director, then they are going on the cheap and want total control.

Snyder? We won't go there.

But a Jackson, Spielberg, Howard, or Raimi would say to me that they are serious.
I'd even be happy with Abrams.

 

[GreenKToo]

Brad Bird is another I'd like to see direct a superman film.

 

[TheScarecrow]

From what I’ve read (naturally this is all speculation at the moment) the Snyder cut has a lot more focus on Cyborg than Whedon’s JL did, and whilst I’m sure the character was likely never at the top of the solo film linkihood, if there’s more context to his character in the cut, then maybe he’ll have a future - doesn’t even have to be a solo outing either. Partner him up with Barry in a Flash sequel?

If WB want to introduce Superman as a supporting character, why can’t they do the same with another league member? I’m sure once Gal is done with her trilogy she’d be up for reprising her role as more of a support act too.

Regarding the incident with Ezra, all I know of it is what’s posted by the media, and the media are known all too well for speculation, misjudgement and blowing stories whey out of proportion. I wouldn’t put too much claim on the known facts surrounding this story, though it obviously wasn’t too smart a place for Ezra to put himself in, but that’s an argument for elsewhere.

Provided that WB doesn't mistreat Patty Jenkins, I think it's difficult to see Gadot not renewing her contract. Gadot, Momoa and Cavill are not Christian Bale, Joaquin Phoenix or Ben Affleck. All three are unlikely to get roles (or, in Affleck's case, directing/writing gigs) better suited to them, or more artistically interesting, than Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Superman respectively.

I think this is the phenomenon we've seen with Henry Cavill. His tenure has been a bit of a disaster (for reasons within and beyond his control), yet he keeps coming back.

I think Cavill, Gadot, Momoa and Levi are in this for the long haul. Pattinson and Robbie are flight risks. Ezra is a problem that begs for a solution...

 

[jetage]

Levi actually has talent, both as a serious actor and in comedy, as his career has show us. Gadot has charisma, as well as Momoa, those his I have never really understood, except maybe as an every man with certain charms, and many of the women I know find him sexy and charming. Cavill, to me seem the most limited, and really should be a tv actor, as his limits are less pronounced on the small screen. I can understand why he is so smothering of the role, as it is his only large screen presence he still has. I just find it hard to believe Warners would go back to the well, once again.

 

[Sawyer]

I’m not saying Cavill is without shortcomings, but a big hefty chunk of what was wrong with his Superman is in the writing and the direction.

Give him someone who isn’t trying to make Superman something he isn’t, and I think you would have a significantly better performance.

 

[flickchick85]

A medium-sized chunk.

 

[Sawyer]

A medium-sized chunk.

 

[Flash525]

Regarding the Man of Steel; one thing I would like from him moving forward is weakness. Whether it was intentional or not, Zack (or Joss?) overpowered him in Justice League, essentially making all the other heroes ... well, they might as well had been normal. Clark managed to defeat Diana, Arthur and Victor whilst they were trying to contain him. Sorry, but no. It would've been nice if the likes of Diana and/or Arthur were able to at least hold their own a little more than they did.

Provided that WB doesn't mistreat Patty Jenkins, I think it's difficult to see Gadot not renewing her contract. Gadot, Momoa and Cavill are not Christian Bale, Joaquin Phoenix or Ben Affleck. All three are unlikely to get roles (or, in Affleck's case, directing/writing gigs) better suited to them, or more artistically interesting, than Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Superman respectively.

I suppose you've got a point with Gal - and Jason for that matter. I figure (if we were to compare) they'd be equivilent to the MCU's Thor in that they will outshine their own trilogy and continue. There's bound to be loads they can do with Atlantis, though I'd think(?) Wonder Woman would be a little more limited, at least unless they don't partner her up with other heroes being the supporting ones rather than her supporting them?

I think Cavill, Gadot, Momoa and Levi are in this for the long haul. Pattinson and Robbie are flight risks. Ezra is a problem that begs for a solution...

I agree with this, and honestly, I'm still a bit perplexed why they went with Patterson in the first place. Certainly wouldn't have been my choice for a DC role. Wasn't there some corona related lockdown shenanigans surrounding him? Refusing to stay in shape or something? Margot on the other hand - whilst her initial SS role was well received, I think she'll do well to best that, and it wouldn't surprise me if she knows it too.

Levi actually has talent, both as a serious actor and in comedy, as his career has show us. Gadot has charisma, as well as Momoa, those his I have never really understood, except maybe as an every man with certain charms, and many of the women I know find him sexy and charming. Cavill, to me seem the most limited, and really should be a tv actor, as his limits are less pronounced on the small screen. I can understand why he is so smothering of the role, as it is his only large screen presence he still has. I just find it hard to believe Warners would go back to the well, once again.

I thought he was okay in Immortals and Man from UNCLE. Maybe he simply hasn't been given his time to shine properly yet?

 

[STARMAN]

The recent films downplay personality and without personality it's very easy to come off as wooden. They give him almost no voice as either Superman or Clark. So there is very few chances to display anything but physical attributes.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Levi actually has talent, both as a serious actor and in comedy, as his career has show us. Gadot has charisma, as well as Momoa, those his I have never really understood, except maybe as an every man with certain charms, and many of the women I know find him sexy and charming. Cavill, to me seem the most limited, and really should be a tv actor, as his limits are less pronounced on the small screen. I can understand why he is so smothering of the role, as it is his only large screen presence he still has. I just find it hard to believe Warners would go back to the well, once again.

Cavill is par with Momoa or slightly better, neither of them are swimming in range but they both do their thing very well. Gal is... I love Gal, she's amazing as Diana, but I don't see her having another great performance in her. Some actors have a role they were born to play and I think she's one of them.

I agree with this, and honestly, I'm still a bit perplexed why they went with Patterson in the first place. Certainly wouldn't have been my choice for a DC role. Wasn't there some corona related lockdown shenanigans surrounding him? Refusing to stay in shape or something? Margot on the other hand - whilst her initial SS role was well received, I think she'll do well to best that, and it wouldn't surprise me if she knows it too.

Slightly OT but oh god, the Batman boards devolved into a thirty page flamewar over this. Rob offhandedly mentioned slipping from his workout routine during quarantine in a self-deprecating manner and expressed an opinion that getting jacked like a circus strong man is an unhealthy ideal for male actors. This was blown out of proportion to him never having gotten in shape in the first place, among other silly things.

Pattinson is a super talented, increasingly beloved indie film performer known for playing intense and brooding characters. He's the kind of guy who usually plays Batman. So that's probably why.

I’m not saying Cavill is without shortcomings, but a big hefty chunk of what was wrong with his Superman is in the writing and the direction.

Give him someone who isn’t trying to make Superman something he isn’t, and I think you would have a significantly better performance.

Yeah, this. Especially if he doesn't have to carry the movie.

 

[BMCAABY]

JJ Abrams to do a Henry Cavill Superman movie?... seems like a possibility. They wouldn't just have him "in talks" to appear in future movies in a small. They already have that set it stone basically and now they are definitely in talks for a solo Superman film.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

JJ Abrams to do a Henry Cavill Superman movie?... seems like a possibility. They wouldn't just have him "in talks" to appear in future movies in a small. They already have that set it stone basically and now they are definitely in talks for a solo Superman film.

Where's the Abrams/Cavill thing coming from? I saw it's Campea's headline today but a cursory googling turned up nothing.

They absolutely would have him in in supporting roles, they already tried to do it for Shazam the first time around. A solo is obviously possible but given WBs obviously lack of faith in Superman as a solo property them finding another way to utilize the character makes total sense.

 

[Chris B]

While a complete reboot would probably be the simplest route, I'm cool with Cavill possibly coming back. Maybe I'm biased because he was my choice for the role going back to the Flyby days, but I've enjoyed him in the role despite the movies him appearing in having serious flaws.

Pairing him up with a director that actually gets Superman and doing a soft reboot like James Gunn seems to be doing with Suicide Squad is entirely feasible IMO.

 

[BMCAABY]

Where's the Abrams/Cavill thing coming from? I saw it's Campea's headline today but a cursory googling turned up nothing.

They absolutely would have him in in supporting roles, they already tried to do it for Shazam the first time around. A solo is obviously possible but given WBs obviously lack of faith in Superman as a solo property them finding another way to utilize the character makes total sense.

The whole lack of faith was with a whole another leadership at WB. Especially with the new AT&T leadership and getting JJ Abrams on-board with WB, I’m certain they are trying to do something big. It also seems like Superman maybe what they’re trying to revisit because he is such a world famous character that can easily generate a billion dollars if they get the right man at helm. JJ Abrams brought so much money and success to other studios with huge franchise films! He also has had passion for a Superman project previously when he was younger and that film also had Henry Cavill in the runner up. All of this seems like the logical thing. It just seems like the kind of decision AT&T would make right now especially considering how they are releasing Snyder’s JL! They even let him do a “Man of Steel” watch party with Henry Cavill specifically on the live. This all seems very indicative that they are planning big things with Superman! Or maybe I’m reading too much into things.

AT&T seems like they know what to do with DC more so than Kevin Tsujihara right now. They are trying to cater to the fans and still work with the universe that’s still there. Hopefully it’s true

 

[SwordOfMorning]

The whole lack of faith was with a whole another leadership at WB. Especially with the new AT&T leadership and getting JJ Abrams on-board with WB, I’m certain they are trying to do something big. It also seems like Superman maybe what they’re trying to revisit because he is such a world famous character that can easily generate a billion dollars if they get the right man at helm. JJ Abrams brought so much money and success to other studios with huge franchise films! He also has had passion for a Superman project previously when he was younger and that film also had Henry Cavill in the runner up. All of this seems like the logical thing. It just seems like the kind of decision AT&T would make right now especially considering how they are releasing Snyder’s JL! They even let him do a “Man of Steel” watch party with Henry Cavill specifically on the live. This all seems very indicative that they are planning big things with Superman! Or maybe I’m reading too much into things.

AT&T seems like they know what to do with DC more so than Kevin Tsujihara right now. They are trying to cater to the fans and still work with the universe that’s still there. Hopefully it’s true

We have absolutely no idea what the new brass thinks of Superman. If JJ wants a Superman movie they'll give it to him because he's JJ but unless he or someone equally powerful wants it this at best feels like testing the waters. Especially with every report noting a Man of Steel sequel isn't currently in the cards.

Let's also hope no one gets hung up on Superman making a billion again.

All we know is AT&T is trying to create streaming service fodder by finishing footage they already have. I'm sure there's a wait and see attitude, they're obviously intrigued by the Snyderverse's cult popularity but they're also surely aware the films were critically savaged and deeply divisive.

I am curious what the Snyder Cut does for Henry and how Superman is portrayed. Snyder shot that lovely ending with the shirt rip but... One does wonder what Snyder's version of an insane, dangerous post-resurrection Superman looked like.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

JJ and Superman has been a thing since he signed his deal with WarnerMedia. So far the only DC project we know he's gonna work on is JLD

 

[TMP98]

This'd be a huge W