The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[Babillygunn]

Yep! Busiek wrote my favorite Clark Kent.

I was going to ask what you thought of that story. I was curious.

 

[flickchick85]

I was going to ask what you thought of that story. I was curious.

It's not my favorite arc in his run (I prefer both "Up Up and Away" and "Redemption" over it) but it's a great read imo!

 

[Lily Adler]

It's not my favorite arc in his run (I prefer both "Up Up and Away" and "Redemption" over it) but it's a great read imo!

What's your ideal Superman film series?

 

[Chris B]

Learned my Dad had a bunch of Action Comics when he was a kid and he got rid of them when he became a teenager... Yep he regrets it now

He sounds like my dad. My 9-year-old didn't understand how he could give up his comics collection lol.

 

[Lily Adler]

He sounds like my dad. My 9-year-old didn't understand how he could give up his collection lol.

He told me he had rare ones or at least ones he assumed were rare...

 

[Chris B]

He told me he had rare ones or at least ones he assumed were rare...

That's pretty cool. I'm pretty sure my dad had stuff like the original prints of the early FF and Spider-Man comics. But c'est la vie!

 

[SwordOfMorning]

It's Corenswet per the same sources.

It's incredibly doofy and silver age but I sorta love this idea? I do wish it was Bizarro though. Corenswet has never seemed like noteworthy or exciting casting to me but the biggest thing he has going for him is that he's really naturally funny - I find his dramatic acting a little bland but just seeming him be a goofy weirdo endears him to me greatly. I think he'd nail Bizarro.

I'm sure there's plot reasons for it to not be Bizarro though, assuming this whole scenario is true.

 

[Invader Joker]

It's incredibly doofy and silver age but I sorta love this idea? I do wish it was Bizarro though. Corenswet has never seemed like noteworthy or exciting casting to me but the biggest thing he has going for him is that he's really naturally funny - I find his dramatic acting a little bland but just seeming him be a goofy weirdo endears him to me greatly. I think he'd nail Bizarro.

I'm sure there's plot reasons for it to not be Bizarro though, assuming this whole scenario is true.

My guess is that it's hard to do a "Lex frames Superman" story with Bizarro. I mean, sure you can do it but Bizarro can only take you so far because he's deformed and stupid. Also I think that with Gunn first bringing up the whole thing about how part of what inspired this movie was thinking about Clark's upbringing and roots I guess maybe Gunn wants to make a point on "What if Clark was instead raised by Lex Luthor of all people" and have a take on the clone that's actually a Superman counterpart instead of a dumb monster. I'd be shocked if he doesn't do Bizarro eventually in the DCU though.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

My guess is that it's hard to do a "Lex frames Superman" story with Bizarro. I mean, sure you can do it but Bizarro can only take you so far because he's deformed and stupid. Also I think that with Gunn first bringing up the whole thing about how part of what inspired this movie was thinking about Clark's upbringing and roots I guess maybe Gunn wants to make a point on "What if Clark was instead raised by Lex Luthor of all people" and have a take on the clone that's actually a Superman counterpart instead of a dumb monster. I'd be shocked if he doesn't do Bizarro eventually in the DCU though.

That's probably what it is. I'd actually really, really like that plot. What I wanted out of Gunn doing Superman was for him to lean into some Silver Age wackiness through the lens of his signature style while also capturing the post-crisis characterizations that haven't really had a chance to shine on screen. "Lex Luthor grows an evil Superman twin in a jar who he teaches to be a jerk to make everyone hate Superman" is so brazenly silly (which Gunn could execute with actual emotional resonance) that I kinda love it.

Big, weird, goofy science fiction plots are a must for Superman to me. That's the aspect I knew for sure Gunn would nail.

 

[Invader Joker]

That's probably what it is. I'd actually really, really like that plot. What I wanted out of Gunn doing Superman was for him to lean into some Silver Age wackiness through the lens of his signature style while also capturing the post-crisis characterizations that haven't really had a chance to shine on screen. "Lex Luthor grows an evil Superman twin in a jar who he teaches to be a jerk to make everyone hate Superman" is so brazenly silly (which Gunn could execute with actual emotional resonance) that I kinda love it.

Big, weird, goofy science fiction plots are a must for Superman to me. That's the aspect I knew for sure Gunn would nail.

I wonder if maybe he'll add a Bioshock element with implanting false memories into Ultraman? That way it touches in a way on his kryptonian heritage too, but it's a ****ed up distorted version of it created by Lex. And that's how the story would be commenting on that aspect.

 

[flickchick85]

What's your ideal Superman film series?

Well my ideal wouldn’t be a film series at all, but an HBO-level TV show. 2 seasons covering his early years (pre-JL), 3 covering his prime years (with JL appearances), and 2 covering his veteran years raising a family (Rebirth). I have a pretty extensive outline for my dream show, as there are a ton of stories I would love to see adapted lol.

But if it MUST be a film series, I would say my ideal Supes film saga would be a quadrilogy (with substantial time jumps in between installments) that goes something like this:

Part 1: a loose adaptation of the Brainiac arc in Morrison’s Action Comics (throw it in a blender with Birthright and Man and Superman, with a tiny dash of Secret Origin). Superman is already established but still relatively new on the scene. Introduce Kara (through Brainiac) and John Henry Irons. Lois has figured out his identity by the end, and they get together.

Part 2: The Warworld Saga adaptation. Superman’s been around for a while now, so we open with some street level action (maybe Supes vs. Atomic Skull or Metallo), before being interrupted by the arrival of the Phaelosian refugees begging for Superman’s help on Warworld. And while Superman spends months on Warworld with Mongul, Supergirl and Steel work with Lois and come into their own as Earth’s protectors, while dealing with the Phaelosian refugees and the Genesis fragment that came with them, which everyone on Earth is after. During this time, Lex Luthor is elected President on a platform built on xenophobia, fueled by the arrival of the Phaelosians. Upon his return, Clark and Lois get married.

Part 3: Variation of Up, Up and Away! where Clark’s powers are (temporarily) diminished after Warworld and he considers giving up the cape and passing the torch to the other heroes to focus on raising a family (Lois is either pregnant or Jon is a baby). Lots of Reporter!Clark serving justice through journalism and domestic Clark/Lois in this one. Then plays out much like Up Up and Away! did, but with a reveal that Brainiac - having survived within the technology of Earth - was aiding Lex and led him to the Kryptonite he would use for his grand finale. There would be a whole subplot with Intergang and alien tech that would lead Clark to the Brainiac revelation, and here Clark finally brings down President Luthor (both by exposing his crimes as Clark Kent, and defeating his war machine as Superman).

Part 4: designed to be an epilogue or coda of sorts that’s more of a character study than anything (essentially my “Restless,” for the Buffy fans out there lol), this would be a loose adaptation of Up In the Sky, where Supes leaves his family behind to embark on a cosmic crucible to rescue one little girl kidnapped from an orphanage and taken across the universe by an unknown cosmic entity. I might throw in a “Strange Visitor”-esque Mxyzptlk twist here with him testing Superman’s limits because he’s fascinated by him, eventually taking Supes through space-time where he gets a glimpse of the end of the Earth in the distant future, and is unafraid because everything he’s ever needed is waiting for him back home (I’d mainly want to incorporate Tom King’s short story from Action 1000 where Supes is a billion years in the future and thanking the dying Earth for everything it gave him). After returning to the present and rescuing the little girl, he’d return home to have a lovely evening with Lois and their now-super-powered son, leaving the door open for a Rebirth saga somewhere down the line.

 

[Babillygunn]

Well my ideal wouldn’t be a film series at all, but an HBO-level TV show. 2 seasons covering his early years (pre-JL), 3 covering his prime years (with JL appearances), and 2 covering his veteran years raising a family (Rebirth). I have a pretty extensive outline for my dream show, as there are a ton of stories I would love to see adapted lol.

But if it MUST be a film series, I would say my ideal Supes film saga would be a quadrilogy (with substantial time jumps in between installments) that goes something like this:

Part 1: a loose adaptation of the Brainiac arc in Morrison’s Action Comics (throw it in a blender with Birthright and Man and Superman, with a tiny dash of Secret Origin). Superman is already established but still relatively new on the scene. Introduce Kara (through Brainiac) and John Henry Irons. Lois has figured out his identity by the end, and they get together.

Part 2: The Warworld Saga adaptation. Superman’s been around for a while now, so we open with some street level action (maybe Supes vs. Atomic Skull or Metallo), before being interrupted by the arrival of the Phaelosian refugees begging for Superman’s help on Warworld. And while Superman spends months on Warworld with Mongul, Supergirl and Steel work with Lois and come into their own as Earth’s protectors, while dealing with the Phaelosian refugees and the Genesis fragment that came with them, which everyone on Earth is after. During this time, Lex Luthor is elected President on a platform built on xenophobia, fueled by the arrival of the Phaelosians. Upon his return, Clark and Lois get married.

3rd Installment: Variation of Up, Up and Away! where Clark’s powers are (temporarily) diminished after Warworld and he considers giving up the cape and passing the torch to the other heroes to focus on raising a family (Lois is either pregnant or Jon is a baby). Lots of Reporter!Clark serving justice through journalism and domestic Clark/Lois in this one. Then plays out much like Up Up and Away! did, but with a reveal that Brainiac - having survived within the technology of Earth - was aiding Lex and led him to the Kryptonite he would use for his grand finale. There would be a whole subplot with Intergang and alien tech that would lead Clark to the Brainiac revelation, and here Clark finally brings down President Luthor (both by exposing his crimes as Clark Kent, and defeating his war machine as Superman).

4th Installment: designed to be an epilogue or coda of sorts that’s more of a character study than anything (essentially my “Restless,” for the Buffy fans out there lol), this would be a loose adaptation of Up In the Sky, where Supes leaves his family behind to embark on a cosmic crucible to rescue one little girl kidnapped from an orphanage and taken across the universe by an unknown cosmic entity. I might throw in a “Strange Visitor”-esque Mxyzptlk twist here with him testing Superman’s limits because he’s fascinated by him, eventually taking Supes through space-time where he gets a glimpse of the end of the Earth in the distant future, and is unafraid because everything he’s ever needed is waiting for him back home (I’d mainly want to incorporate Tom King’s short story from Action 1000 where Supes is a billion years in the future and thanking the dying Earth for everything it gave him). After returning to the present and rescuing the little girl, he’d return home to have a lovely evening with Lois and their now-super-powered son, leaving the door open for a Rebirth saga somewhere down the line.

This is perfect. I wouldn’t change anything to this except that, if you had to have a shared universe, I’d include a fifth film that would be an adaptation of Emporer Joker. Superman must navigate a trippy hellish reality after Joker steals Mxyzptlk’s ability to bend reality to his will. I would keep it a fairly straightforward adaptation of the comic. I consider that story to be one of my favorite Superman stories because it shows Superman’s intelligence. Bruce might be the world’s greatest detective, but Clark is a trained investigative journalist with a superpowered intellect. His problem solving skills are off the charts. The story also shows Superman’s fortitude and strength of will in the ending, which I would most certainly include. Batman has, throughout the story, been subjected to unspeakable horror in the Joker’s reality. Joker kills him only to resurrect him every day and kill him over and over in more and more creative ways. By the end of the story, Batman is left completely broken and mentally shattered. Enter Superman, who restores his friend by literally taking on and absorbing the pain of everything that Batman experienced. He does it for the love of his friend and because he is capable of handling it.

 

[AverageMan]

Not that I've paid any attention to it, but apparently Snyder fans are p*ssed at the Ultraman rumour as they think it will be a shot at Cavill's Superman.
Don't see how they're reaching that conclusion (if the Ultraman rumour is even true).

 

[BMW 224]

Not that I've paid any attention to it, but apparently Snyder fans are p*ssed at the Ultraman rumour as they think it will be a shot at Cavill's Superman.
Don't see how they're reaching that conclusion (if the Ultraman rumour is even true).

As a Snyder fan myself I'm personally not "p*ssed" at the Ultraman rumor because I think it will be a shot at Cavils Superman.

That seems unlikely considering Gunn is fan of Cavils Superman and is friends with Zack Snyder.

For me and this of course subject to change when we see the execution and final product the idea of evil Superman archetype as the main villain who is mirror of what Clark would be without his humanity and morals and upbringing feels like been there done that territory with Man Of Steel already doing this idea with Micheal Shannon Zod and doing it better than it's ever been done in my humble opinion.

This combined with the whole Reverse Kingdom Come idea and Lex Luthor creating a warped version of Superman both things I feel BVS already did and executed to perfection in my humble opinion.



I'm still looking forward to this movie but I have to be honest so far the plot details of James Gunn Superman (if any of it is even true of course )at least to me feels like things Snyder's version already did perfectly with some Richard Donner stuff thrown in for good measure so it's not too "dark and serious" so there's no backlash.


None of it so far feels very fresh to me.

And if your rebooting a character when I happened to love the previous version it needs to be something different for me to get on board

Otherwise what's the point in rebooting in the first place ?

I need not just different tone and characterzation casting but different in themes story and overall vision.



Im keeping a open mind though because leaks never do the actual thing justice and this movie still has a lot of potential.

 

[Captain Tired]

I think there's very little revealed or confirmed about the movie to be making such broad assumptions tbh

 

[Frodo]

Assuming the current rumors are true about A clone, Ultraman, what have you, I'm underwhelmed at that potential plot point .

I get other fans may be excited by it , but it doesn't excite me as a fan, just hearing about it.
But that's just me .

I can't speak for other fans who may feel differently.

Now, I may see the film. and end up liking it, depending on it's execution, and how strong that aspect of the film is .

In other words, I'm open to having my mind changed once I see the final film .

This assuming this rumor is even true , and also assuming James Gunn hasn't drop kicked the rumor into the sun ,by the time the film comes out.

 

[Boom]

Yeah this is the first rumor that's left me feeling pretty cold.

Superman: The Movie - Lex Luthor
Superman II - Lex Luthor and Zod ("evil Superman")
Superman IV - Nuclear Man ("evil Superman")
Superman Returns - Lex Luthor
Man of Steel - Zod ("evil Superman")
Batman v Superman - Lex Luthor and Doomsday ("evil Superman")

These concepts are starting to bleed together a little bit for me. I want something new.

 

[dhandler01]

I honestly thought it was a shot at Snyder too for a second...but I thought about it for 5 seconds and laughed at the idea.

And I won't lie the rumor does nothing for me. It's not creative nor is it anything close to what I want in a Superman film. It sounds like the bad plot of a 90s comic no one read. If you are doing Ultraman do Ultraman...go Multiverse on it. This just wreaks of laziness. (Which is why I don't buy it as is)

 

[Boom]

I mean **** I'd literally settle for Lex Luthor, The Engineer and an army of this:

 

[BMW 224]

Yeah this is the first rumor that's left me feeling pretty cold.

Superman: The Movie - Lex Luthor
Superman II - Lex Luthor and Zod ("evil Superman")
Superman IV - Nuclear Man ("evil Superman")
Superman Returns - Lex Luthor
Man of Steel - Zod ("evil Superman")
Batman v Superman - Lex Luthor and Doomsday ("evil Superman")

These concepts are starting to bleed together a little bit for me. I want something new.

Seeing it laid out like this really hits home.

We've been repeating the same type of villains for Superman since his first movie beside Superman 3.

Granted none of it has been done badly per day except maybe Superman Returns Superman IV but still Superman has plenty other foes that haven't been done yet on the big screen.


Really surprised James Gunn is repeating this pattern so far.

Not sure it's the best choice in the middle of superhero fatigue.

I feel the evil Superman has kinda been mined for all it's worth as villain for a Superman film.

I think the general audience and comic book fans alike understands at this point what makes Superman Superman isn't his powers but his humanity and inherent goodness.

No need to demonstrate that again with another evil Superman mirror.

It's not gonna be some new revelation if it's repeated for 7th time even if it's excuted well.

Lex Luthor ehhh he might be overused sure but James Gunn has the right idea of introducing him now.

I mean he's pretty much a essential supporting character in Superman's life.

 

[BMW 224]

I mean **** I'd literally settle for Lex Luthor, The Engineer and an army of this:

Hell Give me Lex Luthor who has the balls to take on Superman himself with his War Suit with the support of Enginer over Lex creating another Superman mirror to fight him.

Not even asking for something crazy like Brainac straight away.

 

[Herolee10]

Posting screenshots of cinematic Superman portrayals each day until we get an official look at David as Superman (Day 3).

 

[emielaen]

The things I've seen suggested as a replacement to this rumor don't sound any more creative or interesting than the rumor. But fans will fan, I suppose.

 

[Lily Adler]

Posting a rugby player every day until the suit reveal Day 20:

We got the shield, we got the cape, we got the colors...

 

[Lily Adler]

Come on Ira take a picture with daddy in his suit!