The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[DCDAVE]

Well, I can't speak to who the best Batman in movie history since that's a subjective judgement , but , I agree, his Batman has received near universal praise.

The issue I have, is that his Batman, and more over , Reeves's world, doesn't fit into Gunn's vision of a DCU , very intentionally so .

If the concern is two Batman's at the same time, and audience confusion, then wait for Reeves trilogy to end , then introduce the older, Brave And The Bold version which has had several Robins, A Bat Family, etc.

Cater that Batman to a world where Supergirl, The Lanterns, The Authority etc all exist, and give that Batman his own story that isn't bound to what Reeves is doing.

As far as someone new taking the Batman role for Brave And The Bold : if the actor is good, General Audiences will except him.



I actually I'm part of the faction of fandom that Considers RDJ as Doctor Doom, totally lame , so , that example doesn't persuade me.


I understand how alot of fans would like Battinson to be the DCU Batman and for him to interact with other DC heroes.

But I prefer Reeves vision for his Batman world remains: a world without Amazon's , Metahumans, Aliens, and Lanterns .

I prefer Battinson stays in that world where he takes on freaks, serial killers, mobsters, and corrupt officials and where he doesn't go to an outer space space station to interact with Metahumans and Aliens.

The idea that while Oz is out there trying to survive ala Carlito's Way , in addition to his own interpersonal relationships , Darkseid or Mr. Mxyzptlk could be out there somewhere as well , just doesn't sit right with me. .

You make very good points. I guess I am reacting to what is about to happen with the new Joker movie. DC’s crown prince of crime appears to be a bomb ready to go off and I don’t think they ever saw this as a possibility. Zazi is going to want the DC universe to work, I personally think Reeves next Batman movie will challenge any of the next Avengers movies at the box office. Two Batman’s is just going to tough for the general movie goer to take. I think the DCU Batman stays on the back burner until the trilogy is over. Maybe we get the DCU Batman in the Robins movie. I think Reeves will have a say in the DCU Batman as well.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Its 2024 and we still can't wrap our brains around Batman being able to fight mobsters and creeps in Gotham while also teaming up with the Justice League in big event storylines, even though he's been doing that in the comics for decades?

 

[DCDAVE]

Its 2024 and we still can't wrap our brains around Batman being able to fight mobsters and creeps in Gotham while also teaming up with the Justice League in big event storylines, even though he's been doing that in the comics for decades?

If Marvel can have the X-Men, Defenders, Fantastic 4, Avengers, witches, vampires, and Iron Man can be Victor Vondoom in the same universe. Then Patterson (Batman) and Corenswet (Superman) can be in the DCU together. The latter would be more believable.

 

[Frodo]

You make very good points. I guess I am reacting to what is about to happen with the new Joker movie. DC’s crown prince of crime appears to be a bomb ready to go off and I don’t think they ever saw this as a possibility. Zazi is going to want the DC universe to work, I personally think Reeves next Batman movie will challenge any of the next Avengers movies at the box office. Two Batman’s is just going to tough for the general movie goer to take. I think the DCU Batman stays on the back burner until the trilogy is over. Maybe we get the DCU Batman in the Robins movie. I think Reeves will have a say in the DCU Batman as well.

I think two Batman films at the same time would challenge the GA , but not one after the other, separated by a few years.

I think regardless of Zaslav's desire for Battinson to be in the DCU asap , any Batman appearing in the DCU is several years anyway .

Ultimately, I think Reeves will be allowed to finish his trilogy, and DC Studios will probably be concerned with a Batman entering The DCU after that.

 

[Frodo]

Its 2024 and we still can't wrap our brains around Batman being able to fight mobsters and creeps in Gotham while also teaming up with the Justice League in big event storylines, even though he's been doing that in the comics for decades?

It's not a question of wrapping brains around the two things.

It's whether it's a question of whether or not it should be done for this version , whether it works with the directors vision of his Batman (regardless of what the comics do ), and whether there are fans who agree with that ,or not.

I get there are fans who want Battinson in Gunn's DCU , but the writer/ filmmaker doesn't want that , and there are fans who don't want that either.

That's just how it is .

Zaslav may not see it as that big deal , and that's his want .

But the reality is , fans are far from being in agreement on the issue .

 

[DCDAVE]

I think two Batman films at the same time would challenge the GA , but not one after the other, separated by a few years.

I think regardless of Zaslav's desire for Battinson to be in the DCU asap , any Batman appearing in the DCU is several years anyway .

Ultimately, I think Reeves will be allowed to finish his trilogy, and DC Studios will probably be concerned with a Batman entering The DCU after that.

Can the DCU thrive without Batman until after The Batman trilogy……. Superman really has to be a massive hit. You talk about pressure. As good as the Batman was I think it had a bunch of skepticism and haters. It didn’t hit a billion at the box office and Doctor Strange made more money and Thor Love and Thunder made more in its first weeks. Those movies were awful.

 

[Frodo]

Can the DCU thrive without Batman until after The Batman trilogy……. Superman really has to be a massive hit. You talk about pressure. As good as the Batman was I think it had a bunch of skepticism and haters. It didn’t hit a billion at the box office and Doctor Strange made more money and Thor Love and Thunder made more in its first weeks. Those movies were awful.

In answer to your first part of your question, absolutely yes , if the films and shows are good.

But that would be the condition even with a DCU Batman in place.

The films have to be good, and embraced by the general audience.
Gunn and his creators are gonna have to deliver regardless of how this whole Battinson thing shakes out.

If the projects all stink , I doubt there would be any movement to tie Battinson to that anyway.

I don't think Superman has to be a massive hit , but it must be a success , and it must connect with GA , not just fandom.

Same with the other projects in the pipeline.

 

[Lily Adler]

Its 2024 and we still can't wrap our brains around Batman being able to fight mobsters and creeps in Gotham while also teaming up with the Justice League in big event storylines, even though he's been doing that in the comics for decades?

 

[dhandler01]

I don’t understand the issue with having the best Batman in movie history in a new DC universe who actually fits the age of what appears Gunn wants in his Bruce Wayne. It would eliminate the confusion of having two Batman at the same time. Plus I can’t see anyone taking the Batman roll with any skins on the wall fresh off of Pattinson. Marvel is about to bring in Iron Man to play Dr. Doom, the X-Men are about to enter the Marvel Universe, and the Fantastic 4 from the 60s will be in the next Avengers movie. Reeves’s Batman can certainly be in the DCU.

You are assuming those things will work... don't do that. Half of them won't in the long run.

And Reeves doesn't want his Batman there forcing it will be terrible. It's his story let him tell it.

 

[dhandler01]

Well, I can't speak to who the best Batman in movie history since that's a subjective judgement , but , I agree, his Batman has received near universal praise.

The issue I have, is that his Batman, and more over , Reeves's world, doesn't fit into Gunn's vision of a DCU , very intentionally so .

If the concern is two Batman's at the same time, and audience confusion, then wait for Reeves trilogy to end , then introduce the older, Brave And The Bold version which has had several Robins, A Bat Family, etc.

Cater that Batman to a world where Supergirl, The Lanterns, The Authority etc all exist, and give that Batman his own story that isn't bound to what Reeves is doing.

As far as someone new taking the Batman role for Brave And The Bold : if the actor is good, General Audiences will except him.



I actually I'm part of the faction of fandom that Considers RDJ as Doctor Doom, totally lame , so , that example doesn't persuade me.


I understand how alot of fans would like Battinson to be the DCU Batman and for him to interact with other DC heroes.

But I prefer Reeves vision for his Batman world remains: a world without Amazon's , Metahumans, Aliens, and Lanterns .

I prefer Battinson stays in that world where he takes on freaks, serial killers, mobsters, and corrupt officials and where he doesn't go to an outer space space station to interact with Metahumans and Aliens.

The idea that while Oz is out there trying to survive ala Carlito's Way , in addition to his own interpersonal relationships , Darkseid or Mr. Mxyzptlk could be out there somewhere as well , just doesn't sit right with me. .

Good lord ALL OF THIS! I literally alnost typed this exact same post!!

 

[dhandler01]

Its 2024 and we still can't wrap our brains around Batman being able to fight mobsters and creeps in Gotham while also teaming up with the Justice League in big event storylines, even though he's been doing that in the comics for decades?

Who says we can't? It's not about that it is about the fact that you are shoehorning a story together when the creatives aren't in favor of it.

Reeves didn't write his story based on a Batman who does that...it will feel off from the jump.

 

[Babillygunn]

And Reeves doesn't want his Batman there forcing it will be terrible. It's his story let him tell it.

This. . This is why people got upset over Batgirl. It’s when corporate greed overtakes artistic vision. In the end, if Reeves and Gunn want to collaborate to integrate their visions, then by all means let them do it. If they want to make high quality films without being beholden to some silly cinematic universe, then don’t force them into it.

I’d rather have a Nolan trilogy or a Reeves Bat-verse than another DCEU, or whatever Marvel is doing now. I’ll take quality over the gimmick any day.

 

[dhandler01]

This. . This is why people got upset over Batgirl. It’s when corporate greed overtakes artistic vision. In the end, if Reeves and Gunn want to collaborate to integrate their visions, then by all means let them do it. If they want to make high quality films without being beholden to some silly cinematic universe, then don’t force them into it.

I’d rather have a Nolan trilogy or a Reeves Bat-verse than another DCEU, or whatever Marvel is doing now. I’ll take quality over the gimmick any day.

Exactly. And in the case of the DCU we get to have both...which is unique. We get to have Reeves making his stories AND we get a shared cinematic universe where we see all the heroes doing stuff together that has no affect on what other creatives want to do because they are outside that storyline.

 

[Lily Adler]

This. . This is why people got upset over Batgirl. It’s when corporate greed overtakes artistic vision. In the end, if Reeves and Gunn want to collaborate to integrate their visions, then by all means let them do it. If they want to make high quality films without being beholden to some silly cinematic universe, then don’t force them into it.

I’d rather have a Nolan trilogy or a Reeves Bat-verse than another DCEU, or whatever Marvel is doing now. I’ll take quality over the gimmick any day.

 

[Frodo]

Ultimately, my guess is that Battinson doesn't make it into Gunn's DCU.

I think , at the end of the day, Reeves will get his wish, and his Batman will remain it's own Elseworld's tale.

Ultimately, I think Gunn gets to showcase his own Batman , and while Zaslav my be impatient for wanting more Batman ASAP,
I don't think he wants to burn that Reeves bridge, by trying to force something that would ,at best, be an option several years away anyway.

Let's meet Gunn's Superman, Supergirl and other characters first before worrying about what the DCU Batman is like.

In the meantime, Let Reeves finish his story the way he wants to.

 

[emielaen]

Nothing suggests anyone involved wants Pattinson in the DCU. This is a pure fan theory that upsets fans lol

 

[Babillygunn]

 

[Frodo]

Nothing suggests anyone involved wants Pattinson in the DCU. This is a pure fan theory that upsets fans lol

To be fair , the whole conversation was set off by a scoop by Jeff Sneider that a Battinson in The DCU was something that Zaslav see's a potential option.

So, while the scoop may be false, the current discussion here is based off of that , not a fan theory .

Though , alot of fans want Pattinson in the DCU to be the case and hope that will be the case.

 

[Lily Adler]

To be fair , the whole conversation was set off by a scoop by Jeff Sneider that a Battinson in The DCU was something that Zaslav see's a potential option.

So, while the scoop may be false, the current discussion here is based off of that , not a fan theory .

Though , alot of fans want Pattinson in the DCU to be the case and hope that will be the case.

This close to banning Sneider content.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Whoa, chill bald Supe fans. Ya’lls film ain’t even come out yet and want the crown jewel of DC to come in help. Nah, nah, you following through! First let Gunn deliver some gold with said film and maybe…maybe…we can talk about Battinson joining, till then, we don’t want no merger.

 

[emielaen]

To be fair , the whole conversation was set off by a scoop by Jeff Sneider that a Battinson in The DCU was something that Zaslav see's a potential option.

So a fan theory... hehe

 

[SupermansPal]

Everyone moved on but I stayed here.

 

[GreenKToo]

I like Pattinson as Batman, but much like Bale/nolans take, I can't see this batman going up against supervillains.
It's too grounded in realism imho.

In order to make it believable that he can go toe to toe with the likes of a superman or GL, the director would have to do a complete 180 in his next film, bring in major supervillains and heroes, which would really pi$$ off the fans of that take.

On the flip side, Affleck's batman ( for me ) was a little too extreme and unbelievable.
We need a batman somewhere in between Pattinson and Afflecks takes.

One thing I will say, Pattinson's batman nailed the detective skills of batman/bruce 100%.
Affeck's batman came off more as a brutish, but tough as he11 Street fighter, with not alot of detective skills. He had some obviously, but not near as much as Pattinson.

 

[GreenKToo]

In answer to your first part of your question, absolutely yes , if the films and shows are good.

But that would be the condition even with a DCU Batman in place.

The films have to be good, and embraced by the general audience.
Gunn and his creators are gonna have to deliver regardless of how this whole Battinson thing shakes out.

If the projects all stink , I doubt there would be any movement to tie Battinson to that anyway.

I don't think Superman has to be a massive hit , but it must be a success , and it must connect with GA , not just fandom.

Same with the other projects in the pipeline.

I hope people are not expecting Superman to make a billion, because it won't, but it doesn't have to.
it can make 600 to 700 million, have really good audience and critic scores, and it will be considered a success and ensure more films are made.
I think the ceiling, even if it's great, is probably 800 million.

The flipside on that is, if it only makes 450 mill(ish) has awful audience and critic scores, then the DCU is pretty much doa.

Right or wrong, The DCU because of the snyderverse, is gonna have to earn the people's trust back. It sucks, but that's just the way it is.

 

[dhandler01]

To be fair , the whole conversation was set off by a scoop by Jeff Sneider that a Battinson in The DCU was something that Zaslav see's a potential option.

So, while the scoop may be false, the current discussion here is based off of that , not a fan theory .

Though , alot of fans want Pattinson in the DCU to be the case and hope that will be the case.

What Sneider says doesn't matter...the theory was dead the second Reeves and Gunn said it wasn't happening. If Reeves walks Pattinson likely walks so the whole thing is moot.

This discussion started because (once again) people who want to act like they know things said something without any proof and then posted it in here to clickfarm.