The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I will always appreciate MOS (or at least that glorious third trailer with the debut of Zimmer's score) for stripping away so much of the cheese that made the character unappealing to me at the time, doing what Nolan did with Batman Begins. That's what got me into the character.

Ultimately it never fulfilled the promise of those trailers, but I still think Snyder deserves mad props for aspects of his vision.

 

[flickchick85]

I don't think Snyder embraced the spirit of Superman whereas he seemingly did for Wonder Woman as he co-wrote the story.

No story co-writing credit is gonna make me think a guy who wanted the Amazons to be raped “embraced the spirit of Wonder Woman.” That movie worked because of Patty Jenkins, plain and simple.

Dude never embraced the spirit of traditional superheroes, period. “Not enough sex and violence” for him, as he himself has said. Definition of juvenile edgelord mentality, that man.

 

[Lily Adler]

I will always appreciate MOS (or at least that glorious third trailer with the debut of Zimmer's score) for stripping away so much of the cheese that made the character unappealing to me at the time, doing what Nolan did with Batman Begins. That's what got me into the character.

But yeah, ultimately, it never fulfilled the promise of those trailers.

They weren't interested in Clark Kent the character, but rather get to the action pieces.

 

[Lily Adler]

No story co-writing credit is gonna make me think a guy who wanted the Amazons to be raped “embraced the spirit of Wonder Woman.”

Dude never embraced the spirit of traditional superheroes, period.

He wanted the Amazons to be descendants of Supergirl at one point.

 

[flickchick85]

He wanted the Amazons to be descendants of Supergirl at one point.

He’s the king of godawful ideas, so this doesn’t even surprise me.

 

[dhandler01]

He wanted the Amazons to be descendants of Supergirl at one point.

The only thing worse than that idea was the people who defended it. I tried once to formulate a defense and mid post deleted it all and just walked away. I can take some pretty drastic changes to characters and backstory but that was just stupid.

 

[Black Narcissus]

No story co-writing credit is gonna make me think a guy who wanted the Amazons to be raped “embraced the spirit of Wonder Woman.” That movie worked because of Patty Jenkins, plain and simple.

Dude never embraced the spirit of traditional superheroes, period. “Not enough sex and violence” for him, as he himself has said. Definition of juvenile edgelord mentality, that man.

And then Jenkins destroyed her own shot at a trilogy. Having said that, I still think Gunn and WB did her dirty, but I digress.

 

[Tra-El]

My friend you are a glutton for punishment.

Everything is valid past this certain sentence from someone else's point of view. For me, someone's punishment might be another's enjoyment. I love the Snyderverse, so I fall in the latter category. Everyone else is free to fall under others. That's the beauty in all of this. Regardless, I'm ready for Gunn's take. A fresh coat of paint for me as a fan is certainly welcomed, but the prior color of paint from before I still dig. I like being in this realm. It's personally enjoyable, but frustrating defending both sides nonetheless. Still, it's not remotely close as difficult as it once was. I can easily separate the two eras at this juncture and I'm glad I can. It's why I made the two logos come together in my PFP.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

He wanted the Amazons to be descendants of Supergirl at one point.

Yeah, I used to give BoF's Jett flack for making all that **** up, but it turns out he wasn't wrong.

 

[Sverdlovski]

Batman also would've been raped.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Batman also would've been raped.

Nah, this is always taken out of context. The interviewer was trying to say people would be ready for darker rated R type content after the dark Knight trilogy and Snyder was trying to say that compared to watchmen, it’s not as dark, he never said he would do it in a Batman movie or something like it. Eh, supe fans just jelly we never got Bruce and Lois having a baby, maybe in a different timeline. Breaks my heart.

 

[Tra-El]

Nah, this is always taken out of context. The interviewer was trying to say people would be ready for darker rated R type content after the dark Knight trilogy and Snyder was trying to say that compared to watchmen, it’s not as dark, he never said he would do it in a Batman movie or something like it. Eh, supe fans just jelly we never got Bruce and Lois having a baby, maybe in a different timeline. Breaks my heart.

Out of all the subplots that would have driven Zack's original vision in the first draft, I would have loathed the Bruce and Lois romance and would have pissed on the screen if they followed through with them having Bruce's kid. I would have done a total 180 lol. Good thing that never got past the draft stages and the overarching plan focused on Lois and Clark. I'll let naming the baby "Bruce" slide lol. "The whole world became a Justice League" would have been something else and a universe saver for the utmost hater. Breaking hearts indeed.

I still appreciate you and think about ya every time with the gift you sent me btw!

 

[Black Narcissus]

That fight sequence in town is still the one to beat for old James boy. Some of them moments were terrific to a none Supes fan back then. I also really liked Russell Crowe here, like it could be the last time he really gave a damn for a looong time, tis’ also the last time he looked in shape. Lol

 

[Sawyer]

Oh cool. Prolonged Snyder discussions…

 

[Tra-El]

Oh cool. Prolonged Snyder discussions…

Sadly, it's never going away, but the good news is, this is why we have Thursday. Can't ask for anything better than to talk a brand new take on Superman. It's more than needed at this point.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Oh cool. Prolonged Snyder discussions…

Superman and Snyder will never not be brought up in the same breath for better and worse.. Scorn lovers to the bitter end. Superman Returns feels like the one lover we ghosted after meeting the family and whatnot.

 

[Tra-El]

Superman and Snyder will never not be brought up in the same breath for better and worse.. Scorn lovers to the bitter end. Superman Returns feels like the one lover we ghosted after meeting the family and whatnot.

/thread

 

[Lily Adler]

Oh cool. Prolonged Snyder discussions…

What's Twin Peaks?

 

[dhandler01]

Yeah, I used to give BoF's Jett flack for making all that **** up, but it turns out he wasn't wrong.

Jett...there is a name I haven't heard in quote a while!

 

[Lily Adler]

Jett...there is a name I haven't heard in quote a while!

Is his site still up?

 

[solidsnake86]

And then Jenkins destroyed her own shot at a trilogy. Having said that, I still think Gunn and WB did her dirty, but I digress.

After WW1984 I see why they did it. I'm not sure what everyone was thinking with that movie.

 

[solidsnake86]

Is his site still up?

It is, but you can barely read anything with all the ads.

 

[Tra-El]

After WW1984 I see why they did it. I'm not sure what everyone was thinking with that movie.

Got about.. not even halfway through and my wife left the room for a few minutes, came back in, looked at each other, and said "..nah" and turned it off.

Still never finished it lol. Oof. Just another writing on the wall that the reboot, in hindsight, was the healthy choice.

 

[idiot09]

I came back to this forum after years to check out the discourse around the new Superman, and unsurprisingly, people are still stuck debating Zack Snyder. Great art will always provoke discussion—this was true 10 years ago, it was true 5 years ago, and it will still be true 5 years from now. Many will claim its because Snyder’s movies were bad (subjective of-course), but we’ve seen a string of 8-9 DC films actually flop since then—like lose money flop—and they’ve had zero cultural impact, zero discourse. Snyder’s movies, for all the debates, actually made money and turned a profit. Could they have made more? Sure. But these days, DC would probably bite your arm off for a film grossing $875M.

I see people talking about "toxic" Snyder fans not supporting the new DCU, but whenever I open any DCU-related discussion, all I see is people slagging the Snyder-verse. What does that say? A lot of it comes down to fans having a fixed idea of what they want and not accepting anything that deviates from it. In 2016, people criticised Snyder because they wanted a classic Superman. Now, the shoe is on the other foot. It’s just fandom wars. It’s silly.

Every time a new DC movie is about to drop, there’s the same narrative: This time, they’ve finally got it right. There’s talk of “hope and optimism” and how the latest entry is proof of exactly where big bad Snyder went wrong. Yet, despite all this, the movies keep flopping.At what point does it stop being about “owning” Snyder fans online and start being about making films that truly connect with audiences?

Bringing this back to Superman, I can see James Gunn is under tremendous pressure. This has to be a huge hit; otherwise, the DCU goes up in flames. Considering the movie likely has a $250M+ budget(minimum), it needs to make $750M-$800M just to break even. I can't see that happening, especially since it’s sandwiched between Jurassic World and Fantastic Four. The best-case scenario I see is ~$500M-$600M with good reviews. At that point, I think Gunn might return to the MCU, and DC will probably focus entirely on Reeves’ Batman universe.

BTW nice to see some familiar faces still around, like our beloved bald bastah BN.

 

[Gu3ree]

No story co-writing credit is gonna make me think a guy who wanted the Amazons to be raped “embraced the spirit of Wonder Woman.” That movie worked because of Patty Jenkins, plain and simple.

Dude never embraced the spirit of traditional superheroes, period. “Not enough sex and violence” for him, as he himself has said. Definition of juvenile edgelord mentality, that man.

Fair enough. WW definitely worked because of Jenkins. Still can't believe how in the Snyder cut, Wonder Woman brutally slaughtered those terrorists at the courthouse. She is able to control her strength. She didn't have to. She could have simply knocked them out. In the real world, people would probably be terrified of superheroes like that. Does give a The Boys vibes.