The Defenders The Defenders Discussion Thread (NO SPOILER TAGS NECESSARY!)

[Nathan]

That's an actual plot point though. Madame Gao and Alexandra have a big talk about how the Black Sky really isn't much, and how the rest of the Fingers want to get rid of her.

It's not like they didn't tackle this.

Then it was dumb that they made such a big deal about the "Black Sky" until that point. Why was the "Black Sky such a threat in Daredevil Season 1, that Stick had to murder a child in cold blood? Enhanced physical abilities? Was that honestly all it was? It seemed they were building towards the Beast, until they halfway realized they ran out of their budget for the show.

 

[Herolee10]

I was desperately hoping for some Bud Spencer moments. With a bunch of thugs constantly hitting him in the back, only for him to turn around with an annoying look on his face, slapping the daylights out of them. It was definitely annoying to see him struggle at certain points, when he only needs a fraction of his strength to deal with normal humans.

The Hand desperately needed some muscle, other than Elektra.

I mean I remember hearing Stick saying on how one of the hand members could apply pressure points that would mess him up so I'm assuming that rather than trying to match Luke for his strength or to hurt him with something man-made, they went about attacking him by targeting his pressure points, which aren't protected...but it didn't seem like a well thought out idea.

 

[Nathan]

I mean I remember hearing Stick saying on how one of the hand members could apply pressure points that would mess him up so I'm assuming that rather than trying to match Luke for his strength or to hurt him with something man-made, they went about attacking him by targeting his pressure points, which aren't protected...but it didn't seem like a well thought out idea.

Yeah, that was Sowande, 1 of the 5 Leaders of the Hand, who's specialty were pressure points. Didn't really work out well for him.

 

[Herolee10]

You know, what sucks about this is the fact that by the time we see a Season 2 for this show, we would have already gone through Avengers 4 (which is like the end of an era).

I'm assuming that Season 2 will be released sometime in 2019.

I just hope that this prompts Loeb to secure more funds for this show when they start working on it again. I know these are street level heroes, but given that they have someone as powerful as Luke....they should really invest in some money on creating ways that will legitimately challenge him (special weapons, other enhanced mercenaries, etc)

Honestly, I kept wondering why Luke should even be worried about most of the members of the hand when they used nothing but swords and guns so it was weird seeing him struggle with Elektra, who I'm assuming had some form of enhanced strength as well.

 

[Predator jp]

tbh The Hand looked more threatening in DD S2.

 

[Nathan]

In Season 1 and 2 the Hand were certified badasses. Iron Fist turned them into thugs, and they never recovered.

 

[Herolee10]

One of the things that I liked was how the show somewhat established that all four Defenders are most likely not to reach out to each other for help unless the entire city is at stake. So it would actually be believable that even when they're all going through their personal hell in their continuing seasons, that unless the threat they're up against is affecting everyone in NYC, they are most likely not going to reach other to any of the other Defenders due to them all being very independent.

Plus, while they may all have ended up respecting each other, it's somewhat clear that these guys don't come off as the best of friends yet like the Avengers do on film.

Though I wonder if we'll get to see Danny's reaction towards learning that Matt is alive in Season 3 of Daredevil seeing as how Danny was the one that was mostly impacted by Matt's actions.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

One of the things that I liked was how the show somewhat established that all four Defenders are most likely not to reach out to each other for help unless the entire city is at stake. So it would actually be believable that even when they're all going through their personal hell in their continuing seasons, that unless the threat they're up against is affecting everyone in NYC, they are most likely not going to reach other to any of the other Defenders due to them all being very independent.

Plus, while they may all have ended up respecting each other, it's somewhat clear that these guys don't come off as the best of friends yet like the Avengers do on film.

Though I wonder if we'll get to see Danny's reaction towards learning that Matt is alive in Season 3 of Daredevil seeing as how Danny was the one that was mostly impacted by Matt's actions.

define "threatening all on NYC", most of the threats in the solo series so far could've well be a threat to the whole city and beyond (well, except Luke Cage obviously)
Killgrave had personal reasons to direct his attention on JJ, but his actions and powers affected many people and could have affected many more. With his power set he could have easily gone into politics, commanded the people to vote for him and take every office he'd love from mayor to POTUS. so while he didn't do that, the potential threat was clearly there. The Hand, as §&ß"&#*?% as they were presented in everything after DD S2 were clearly a global threat. Fisk focused on Hell's Kitchen in DD S1, but like Killgrave had the real potential that, if not stopped set his eyes on bigger things once he had control over that part of the city

 

[Herolee10]

define "threatening all on NYC", most of the threats in the solo series so far could've well be a threat to the whole city and beyond (well, except Luke Cage obviously)
Killgrave had personal reasons to direct his attention on JJ, but his actions and powers affected many people and could have affected many more. With his power set he could have easily gone into politics, commanded the people to vote for him and take every office he'd love from mayor to POTUS. so while he didn't do that, the potential threat was clearly there. The Hand, as §&ß"&#*?% as they were presented in everything after DD S2 were clearly a global threat. Fisk focused on Hell's Kitchen in DD S1, but like Killgrave had the real potential that, if not stopped set his eyes on bigger things once he had control over that part of the city

Well, while I will agree that the threat Killgrave posed was very high....due to him having no large ambitions of controlling the world or destroying all of NYC, I didn't list him as a threat to warrant the entire Defenders coming together for.

And when I mean threat, I mean the kind where not only does that threat intend to put the lives of millions of people at risk, but where their plans threatens to consume ALL of NYC intentionally.

Danny's ordeal in his own show namely involved a portion of the Hand and Randal fighting over ownership of both his company and gaining him as a weapon. However, there was no threat established that had put all of NYC at bay.

Wilson Fisk seemingly only wanted to take control over Hell's Kitchen.

 

[Iceman]

The Hand were certainly a disappointment in Defenders. Season 2 will have a different villain I guess so hopefully they back the standard of villains from DD and JJ. The heroes were great though and no complaints at all about their teaming up and banter and relationships between them. Even Iron Fist is good when he's away from Buck's clutches!

 

[Herolee10]

On another note, Luke Cage is without a doubt the biggest player in the entire MCU.lol

Man, Claire must have a lot of self-confidence and trust in Luke because every time he encountered one of his ex's, it looked like they were willing to have Coffee together with him again. Heck, Jessica offered to have coffee with Luke again in the future.

 

[TeeKay]

On another note, Luke Cage is without a doubt the biggest player in the entire MCU.lol

Man, Claire must have a lot of self-confidence and trust in Luke because every time he encountered one of his ex's, it looked like they were willing to have Coffee together with him again. Heck, Jessica offered to have coffee with Luke again in the future.

I don't think she knows he hooked up with them.

 

[kguillou]

Was anyone else annoyed with Foggy and Karen in this? I mean, it may have been one of those things where we the viewer are privy to more information than the characters but them constantly giving Matt **** about being DD was frustrating because the guy is TRYING TO SAVE THEIR LIVES. Like, why couldnt they understand that the entire freaking city was at stake? They acted like he was just doing it for kicks. I dunno, like I said, maybe its easier for me, the viewer, to understand but they annoyed me in this.

 

[javonstokess]

I don't think she knows he hooked up with them.

Claire knows about Jessica Jones. That's how they met.

 

[javonstokess]

Was anyone else annoyed with Foggy and Karen in this? I mean, it may have been one of those things where we the viewer are privy to more information than the characters but them constantly giving Matt **** about being DD was frustrating because the guy is TRYING TO SAVE THEIR LIVES. Like, why couldnt they understand that the entire freaking city was at stake? They acted like he was just doing it for kicks. I dunno, like I said, maybe its easier for me, the viewer, to understand but they annoyed me in this.

Yeah, but that's left over annoyance from DD s2. I was hoping Foggy had turned a corner with giving Matt his costume, but then walked it back with his explanation. I've never like Karen...ever.

 

[MadVillainy]

Claire knows about Jessica Jones. That's how they met.

And im pretty sure she knows he hooked up with Misty


Cage goes to work man.

 

[javonstokess]

I might be the only one that was just fine with the portrayal Hand. The comics version has been all over the place for the decades it's been in existence, at least the Netflix version tries to reconcile them.

I also enjoyed Weaver's character, which made her death pretty damn shocking.

I agree that there was some confusion about what exactly they did/want to do with K'un L'un, but their basic plot to extend life/destroy NY was sufficient enough for me to go along.

 

[Nathan]

I couldn't go along with the plot for 1 reason. If that substance is supposedly so precious, why waste it on an army of goons? Using it on someone like Nobu and Elektra? Sure. But a random Ninja foot soldier? And there were tons of those in Daredevil Season 2. They must have had come up with the whole looking for Shao-Lao's bones plot at the last minute.

 

[MadVillainy]

Can we all appreciate Weaver's warddrobe in this. I don't care if it's made for woman I want that jacket she was wearing in her first appearances. If it comes in black, I'm there. I'll eat ramen for a year. It looked too cool.

Also did anyone else think Cage getting out of prison so quick was weird. It kinda reminded me of how the end of IM2, Stark was denied membership in the Avengers only to have that solved in seconds in TA

 

[javonstokess]

http://ew.com/tv/2017/08/18/marvel-the-defenders-finale-spoilers/

 

[MadVillainy]

You know what also bothered me? That scene where Cage just goes in on Danny's white privilege. Yeah I get it Danny is rich and white. But Cage saying "the kid was trying to feed his family." Couldn't you say that about almost any mook Cage fights too? So why talk down to Danny about it?

It feels like that whole scene was just to give some people that cathartic factor of disliking Iron Fist because it followed a rich white character (even though they have no problem following Green Arrow, Iron Man, and Batman)

 

[javonstokess]

Can we all appreciate Weaver's warddrobe in this. I don't care if it's made for woman I want that jacket she was wearing in her first appearances. If it comes in black, I'm there. I'll eat ramen for a year. It looked too cool.

Also did anyone else think Cage getting out of prison so quick was weird. It kinda reminded me of how the end of IM2, Stark was denied membership in the Avengers only to have that solved in seconds in TA


But you know what also bothered me. That scene where Cage just goes in on Danny's white priveledge. Yeah I get it Danny is rich and white. But Cage saying "the kid was trying to feed his family." Couldn't you say that about almost any mook Cage fights too? So why talk down to Danny about it?

I thought they set up Cage's "get out of jail free" card pretty easily in the last episode of his series.

The conversation you're referencing was fine to me because it was a matter of perspective. Though, Cage has a history of trying NOT to fight people and talk first. Danny was beating the crap out of a kid who WASN'T fighting back. Their differences are a large part of who their characters are even in the books.

 

[MadVillainy]

http://ew.com/tv/2017/08/18/marvel-the-defenders-finale-spoilers/

I don't know...I don't buy that they didn't react the IF reception in some way. Or at least they anticipated that reaction

 

[MadVillainy]

The conversation you're referencing was fine to me because it was a matter of perspective. Though, Cage has a history of trying NOT to fight people and talk first. Danny was beating the crap out of a kid who WASN'T fighting back. Their differences are a large part of who their characters are even in the books.

I don't buy it. Fighting someone is fighting someone. In fact it's worse for someone like Cage who can't get hurt. He's still hurting people who could "just trying to feed their family"

And also Danny assumed he was The Hand. The Hand who he knows is ridiculously dangerous. You walk into a room and see people melting human bodies as part of an ancient devil force, you're gonna react

 

[javonstokess]

I don't buy it. Fighting someone is fighting someone. In fact it's worse for someone like Cage who can't get hurt. He's still hurting people who could "just trying to feed their family"

I don't know, go back and watch LC. He tends to use minimal force against regular people. I don't think I've ever seen him wail on someone like Danny was.

Remember, in LC episode 2 the kid who had Cage at gun point. He could have beat that kid senseless, but just lets him run away. Danny or Matt would have put that kid in a hospital.