The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - - Part 11

[Avenging Angel]

I’m really hoping that the Flash pulls itself together for a great second half of season 7, but I know that’s probably not realistic.

It won't. It jumped the shark after Season 2.

 

[Primal Slayer]

They cant really use the "COVID" excuse for the love and light speeches this season to take down all the bad guys so they better bring it in S7b. Superman and Lois been going toe2toe with the baddies.

 

[Reek]

I'm hallucinating right?

that episode... was in my head......... right?

Good bye, Vibrations.... that ...... that was a joke right.... whos the ******* ****ing with me... jokes up.

 

[Karelia]

Haha, I guess I'm in the very small minority that had a good chuckle with "Happy Flash"

That said, this season as a whole has been a let down for the most part. Superman & Lois is giving me everything I want for a Supes show, much like the first two to three seasons of The Flash.

 

[Flash525]

That said, this season as a whole has been a let down for the most part. Superman & Lois is giving me everything I want for a Supes show, much like the first two to three seasons of The Flash.

I really do hope the Superman show doesn't descend into trash.

Arrow had it's up's and down's, but I think ended on a high. Flash started well, went south, Supergirl didn't have the best first season but improved for Season 2 and then started to slide again. Legends had two good seasons then became the biggest joke of a series DC have ever kept running. Black Lightning hasn't been too bad throughout, though just wasn't getting the viewers needed.

I really want Superman to stay good, but I can't help but fear the writers will run out of ideas and it'll take the fall.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Hopefully they have at least 4 seasons worth of storyline, that'll get us to the twins graduating and then they'd have to do a slight shift in storylines. But I dont see the show going beyond 6 seasons (when contracts end) so I think we'll be somewhat safe.

 

[Web-Head]

I really do hope the Superman show doesn't descend into trash.

Arrow had it's up's and down's, but I think ended on a high. Flash started well, went south, Supergirl didn't have the best first season but improved for Season 2 and then started to slide again. Legends had two good seasons then became the biggest joke of a series DC have ever kept running. Black Lightning hasn't been too bad throughout, though just wasn't getting the viewers needed.

I really want Superman to stay good, but I can't help but fear the writers will run out of ideas and it'll take the fall.

Supergirl season 1-4 were all pretty good, with each season probably slightly better than the one prior but man, season 5 and now what we've gotten in season 6 has been such a letdown. Hopefully they can nail those final episodes.

Either way it looks like it was the right time to end Supergirl and to bring this back to the Flash, I wouldn't be upset if next season was the last.

 

[Dark Raven]

It won't. It jumped the shark after Season 2.

I'd say it jumped the shark after season 3. Season 3 with the Savitar storyline was still decent. It was once they got to the Thinker and then had him jump bodies that it all went downhill. The we got that terrible Cicada season for season 5. Bloodwork and Mirror Mistress for season 6 was what I thought was the absolute pits until we got to this even worse season.

Flashpoint should've really been a whole season whereas Mirror Mistress should've only been a couple of episodes at most - so the reverse of what actually occurred.

 

[Web-Head]

I'd say it jumped the shark after season 3. Season 3 with the Savitar storyline was still decent. It was once they got to the Thinker and then had him jump bodies that it all went downhill. The we got that terrible Cicada season for season 5. Bloodwork and Mirror Mistress for season 6 was what I thought was the absolute pits until we got to this even worse season.

Flashpoint should've really been a whole season whereas Mirror Mistress should've only been a couple of episodes at most - so the reverse of what actually occurred.

The jumping bodies thing was so incredibly stupid. Didn't help matters that the actors he "switched bodies with" were all pretty terrible. Cicada should not have been a full season villain as you can tell they didn't know what to do with him after a while.

I actually didn't mind Bloodwork too much and I thought Mirror Mistress started off pretty strong but went downhill fast and the shortened ending to season 6 and the "start" of season 7 didn't help either.

 

[Flash525]

Supergirl season 1-4 were all pretty good, with each season probably slightly better than the one prior but man, season 5 and now what we've gotten in season 6 has been such a letdown. Hopefully they can nail those final episodes.

Oh, maybe that's true. Maybe the taint of Season 5 and 6 has made it seem like this horrible writing has been more prolonged.

QUOTE="Web-Head, post: 38583204, member: 150993"]Either way it looks like it was the right time to end Supergirl and to bring this back to the Flash, I wouldn't be upset if next season was the last.[/QUOTE]It's already been confirmed that next season will be its last.

I'd say it jumped the shark after season 3. Season 3 with the Savitar storyline was still decent.

Granted the Thinker and Cicada were shocking excuses for villains, but Savitar could've been so much better; a mere time remnant? Please.

Flashpoint should've really been a whole season whereas Mirror Mistress should've only been a couple of episodes at most - so the reverse of what actually occurred.

I actually didn't mind Bloodwork too much and I thought Mirror Mistress started off pretty strong but went downhill fast and the shortened ending to season 6 and the "start" of season 7 didn't help either.

I completely agree about Flashpoint; it should've at least been a half season arc. I didn't mind the concept of mirror mistress, I just thought the implementation was terribly done - they really should've had her to relaunch a Rogues Gallery of sorts. Mirror Mistress, Golden Glider, Weather Witch. So much potential.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I still cant believe what they did with Flashpoint. It's a slap in the face. That's a whole crossover event.

 

[Sithborg]

Cicada wasn't a great villain, sure. But, that wasn't the real point of that season, though.

 

[Dark Raven]

I still cant believe what they did with Flashpoint. It's a slap in the face. That's a whole crossover event.

They should've spent a few episodes in the new Flashpoint timeline where things slowly begin to unravel a little at a time each episode but Barry can't place his finger on what is wrong. He should not have been able to see exactly the full consequences of his actions so quickly. It would've been better if he had even been more blind to it like he was oblivious to the fact it was mirror Iris sharing his bed all these months rather than the real Iris last season.

If it has been a full season too, then he would've had to wrestle with a bigger dilemma than what he had when he reversed it after only an episode. The question would be: does he undo a full season's worth of development or live with the consequences of his actions because too much has happened? And since viewers would've been along for the ride experiencing it with him, they too would've had that debate, whereas after an episode it seemed like there was no debate at all whatsoever.

That could've been the whole of Season 3, and then Season 4 could've been about Savitar instead. Or if they rewrote certain things, Flashpoint could've been season 4 while season 3 could've still been about Savitar. After all, Flashpoint seems a bit early to have after only 2 seasons.

Also when Flash decided to go downhill, they should've actually had an episode of him leaping over King Shark so he could literally jump the shark. Then modern viewers would have a new reference point for that idiom, because I'm sure many aren't even aware of that Happy Days episode where Fonz water-skied over a shark which is the original source of it.

 

[Flash525]

They should've spent a few episodes in the new Flashpoint timeline where things slowly begin to unravel a little at a time each episode but Barry can't place his finger on what is wrong. He should not have been able to see exactly the full consequences of his actions so quickly. It would've been better if he had even been more blind to it like he was oblivious to the fact it was mirror Iris sharing his bed all these months rather than the real Iris last season.

If it has been a full season too, then he would've had to wrestle with a bigger dilemma than what he had when he reversed it after only an episode. The question would be: does he undo a full season's worth of development or live with the consequences of his actions because too much has happened? And since viewers would've been along for the ride experiencing it with him, they too would've had that debate, whereas after an episode it seemed like there was no debate at all whatsoever.

I'm not totally up on my comic stuff, but was it ever possible to reverse a changed timeline? Surely even an attempt would still change the timeline. He may be able to get back to one that is moderately similar, but it would've never been the same.

Either way, I agree with your first paragraph here in that Flashpoint should've been a seasonal arc and had consequences - similar to how Crisis should've, but the CW (or the writers of the respective shows) have managed to screw that up too.

Having each of these shows set on their own Earth's was really the best thing for them. Having them all on the same one has really ruined that sense of togetherness that they were going for with the end of the Crisis Crossover.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm not totally up on my comic stuff, but was it ever possible to reverse a changed timeline? Surely even an attempt would still change the timeline. He may be able to get back to one that is moderately similar, but it would've never been the same.

Either way, I agree with your first paragraph here in that Flashpoint should've been a seasonal arc and had consequences - similar to how Crisis should've, but the CW (or the writers of the respective shows) have managed to screw that up too.

Having each of these shows set on their own Earth's was really the best thing for them. Having them all on the same one has really ruined that sense of togetherness that they were going for with the end of the Crisis Crossover.

I don't know what happened in the comics but it seemed as if Barry was able to more or less reverse the flashpoint changes in the series. Although there were definitely consequences because it wasn't all neat and tidy. He now had Julian Albert as a fellow CSI, Diggle lost a daughter but gained a son, Caitlin became Killer Frost etc.

We need another flashpoint now though to undo the mediocrity of seasons 4-7.

 

[Flash525]

We need another flashpoint now though to undo the mediocrity of seasons 4-7.

You want to give the writers another opportunity to screw things up even more? My god man, what's wrong with you!

 

[Flash525]

If still ... bemuses me a little that somewhere, at some point, there was a timeline where Nora Allen wasn't killed by Thawne, and Barry didn't become the Flash as early as he did.

In a roundabout way, the timeline we're living in isn't the original one; the only person who still knows what that was like would be Thawne, for he was the first person to knowingly change the events of the past.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Primal Slayer]

I never understood why he was the only character that we never saw again. They missed out on such a good Iris storyline in S2 with her coming into contact with his doppelganger. Probably because he/Iris definitely had superior chemistry/relationship.

 

[batdude]

I never understood why he was the only character that we never saw again. They missed out on such a good Iris storyline in S2 with her coming into contact with his doppelganger. Probably because he/Iris definitely had superior chemistry/relationship.

I thought he quit to do Quantico.

 

[Bary]

You want to give the writers another opportunity to screw things up even more? My god man, what's wrong with you!

I wouldn't trust these writers with erasable markers let alone another flashpoint storyline.

 

[Reek]

Wow. What an episode.

Whoa.

They should go at least 5 more seasons. These writers are just now hitting their stride.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Wow. What an episode.

Whoa.

They should go at least 5 more seasons. These writers are just now hitting their stride.

Are you serious ?! Or being sarcastic... if your really serious more power to you.

 

[Bary]

Imagine someone the caliber of Jesse L Martin having to act in a scene with an actress who couldn't fake stubbing her toe. All the actresses on display last night were horribly exposed that they couldn't act.

the writers have to know by now how much the fans hate these pep talks right? Another last night on cue, “you can defeat mileena because your strong”

 

[Thome216]

I never understood why he was the only character that we never saw again. They missed out on such a good Iris storyline in S2 with her coming into contact with his doppelganger. Probably because he/Iris definitely had superior chemistry/relationship.

I was just thinking that today! How I wish he had never left the show. He was so much better with Iris than Barry is. And sacrificing himself to get rid of his evil decedent, and having it be all for nothing anyway. Though, I hope he doesn't come back as an arch enemy. One, because I don't want it, and two, because Team Flash will Pep Talk him out of being evil!