The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 7

The more I think about it, the more I'm confused by why they chose to use the Zoom and Zolomon name for the season's big bad, Clariss/Rival would've been so much more appropriate given the Jay Garrick connection. Waste of potential to not leave the door open for Zolomon's comicbook backstory/powers.

On a VERY minor note, disappointed that Zoom hasn't used his signature move of creating a huge shockwave by snapping his fingers.

 

Yeah. I agree. The Rival would have been the much better choice since he was Jay's enemy. It would make much more sense for The Rival to pretend to be Jay than Zoom since he even had a similar costume. Wally's enemy was Zoom.

They don't have Zoom's powers right at all. In addition to what you mentioned, he slows down time relative to himself to make himself appear to be moving at super speeds. Perhaps they can still somehow mention this. I doubt it though. I'm just ready for this to end.

 

FLASH Facts: Griffin

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oh I agree they should have used the rival but it's too late now and we've had two Speedster as the main villain in row which still kinda hurt zoom showing up later if they used the rival here.


and now they name dropped Garrick as a maiden name from henry's side the only thing to play with that is they have distant cousin's where the Garrick name is still in use or it'll be used as an alias with in the Allen family them selves . I go for the former. cause the whole they hero doesn't have any other blood relative beside his immediate family get's a bit tired.

but more importantly also I want Jay to be his own person/character and not some weird alias or some mixture of character we already know. that's really gotten old since small ville.

I was happy when it happened with dr.light being doppelganger with Linda park. (it just bugged me on alot of levels)

 

Way to get out the friendzone finally Barry

 

uh how did barry get to jitters so fast? did i miss something

edit... never mind, I missed Barry and Cisco taking the van to Jitters lol

I was like wtf...

 

Somewhat O/T - Does anyone know of a map of downtown Vancouver which has all of the common filming locations for The Flash (e.g. Jitters) marked on it? I'm visiting Vancouver soon and thought it would be cool to keep an eye out for some of their recognisable filming locations.

 

Random speculation but does anyone else think that Wally and Jesse will convert the Reverse Flash and Trajectory costumes into their Kid Flash and Jesse Quick costumes respectively?

 

No clue...

It is annoying that the CW fudged the scheduled for this show.... The cliffhangers and whatnot are a bit weaker than they should be because if it

 

It would be logical. They still have both suits, presuming Barry didn't leave Trajectories on the side of the street. I feel like the two of them are being paired up to have some sort of partner dynamic which could be interesting. When they do get their speed it would allow Barry to move into the mentor role for season 3 which would provide more interesting opportunities. The next episode better be where Wally learns Barry == Flash, the poor kid has had everything fed to him to make the deduction and has been locked out a little longer than I would have liked given his increased interaction with the Flash side of his families lives.

 

I think having wally and jesse get speed is ridiculous.

its way too early to be introducing the third version of the flash which is wally west...it takes away from the barry allen version of the flash, unless the writers start making barry looking more powerful/faster than wally/jesse (if they get powers), then barry is nothing special in comparison and the show is pointless to go on.

Introducing wally and having him in the show is fine being a normal person, the show should focus on the barry allen version of the flash...even if wally gets speed and leaves the show, or they write his character off, introducing him with powers now is pointless....to say they needed to do this to help barry defeat zoom is lame, there's tons of other idea's to come up with.

i just feel the writers have done a better job making the barry allen version of the flash look weak, he loses his powers, he works his butt off trying to get faster yet gets beat by trajectory, zoom, reverse flash, so if wally gets speed then the writers would need to come up with a good reason to keep barry allen around as the flash...only good explanation would be him becoming more powerful, cause if wally is just as fast then it seems its fan fight between who they'd rather see playing flash on the show wally or barry?

 

I mean, if Arrow can introduce sidekicks and allies by S2, why can't Flash? Shoot, Arrow had already done so by S1 with Huntress, she just ended up going bad. Roy Harper and Sara Lance were introduced in S2 and then Laurel in S3. Sure, Flash's typical sidekicks or successors also have speed, which makes it a different case, but there are ways of making it work.

 

My preferred place for Wally would be as the Flash on Legends of Tomorrow.

That way you can have Barry not worry about someone stealing the spotlight, and a whole show can feature the best Flash without some Silver Age fanboys wrecking him up.





Neener, Neener, Neener!

Seriously, though, I honestly think it would be better to have Wally skip the Kid Flash/sidekick stage and mature elsewhere. Most of the good speedster tales feature them as solo acts; even Bart flew solo as Impulse and Kid Flash. The writers have enough trouble coming up with a way to not have the Flash end fights too quickly on a weekly basis. And they seem aware of it, considering they still haven't pulled an actual "Flash of Two Worlds" moment yet.

And considering how some Wally fans feel the character will always be shafted if her shares a spotlight with Barry, it would be wiser to do so in my opinion. Because I think there is some truth to the sentiment that Wally and Barry steal each other's thunder. Wally's tenure as Flash in the comics hinged on him surpassing Barry to some extent (and I think he did, because Return of Barry Allen and Blitz would not work with Barry), and yet Wally is still heavily reliant on Barry's existance for his origin.

 

I don't necessarily think they should skip the sidekick stage, I say have Barry mentor him for a season or half season at least before doing something like moving him to Legends, they need to do something to build a close bond between Wally and Barry before they send him out on his own, Legends would be a good place for Wally for a season or two. The real problem is that you can't take full advantage of Wally as a character if Barry Allen is alive.

 

I agree wally does need a teacher . and it'll stop the writers from always putting Barry in the I can't do it state as well where he needs a pep talk. Which we are just getting out of.

Just name wally the blur and have bart be kid flash later when he shows up and have that female version that took barts name be impulse. Jessie is a flying speedster ( they better show case this) so she'll be unique, have the some be done with wally that will be unique for him as well. But barry will be the most experienced one. it's his show. there shouldn't be an issue. and they don't all always have to be on screen together. Cisco will eventually be learn more about his powers and barry can't be alone in the field for ever.

 

Alternatively, I can see them instead both getting speed for the next episode (perhaps each just half of Barry's speed) and having to give it up as a way of getting Barry back or some such.

It would be a reasonable way to tease the fans, acknowledge their comic counterparts while still keeping the show focused on Barry Allen in the long run. A little bit like Caitlin and Earth-2's Killer Frost, in that sense.

 

Its also entirely possible they will gain superspeed, but far lesser amounts than Barry. After all, not only has Barry been training and increasing and improving his speed for a season and a half, but he's just about to come back from Merging With The Speed Force, most like. That's the formula for some major power boosts.

Meanwhile, the wave that hit Wally and Jesse was a slight uncontrolled release from a deliberately narrowed accelerator "accident", and without all the accouterments. Easily justifies only getting a little bit of superspeed.

 

I wonder if they will have Jessie have to recite her classic formula in order to access her speed.

 

hey guys/girls, didn't wells say he could contain the dark matter so there wouldn't be an explosion, so isn't that what happened there was an explosion...it looked like particle waves hit jesse and wally, that doesn't seem like wells had it contained???

also, just something i thought, barry was hit directly with lightning/electricity during the process where as wally and jesse weren't...wells made it known that everything had to be as close to what happened before so how can wally/jesse get speed pwoers if they didn't get hit with the lightning/electricity too.

if the writers do plan on giving wally speed, for the show to focus on barry allen as the fastest man alive as the current flash they will need to make wally quite slow in comparison.

 

Wells did contain the explosion.

Though it might not seem like it to the rest of them, what came out of the chamber was likely Barry wrapped in the Speed Force. If that theory is true, then that was also what hit Wally and Jessie. It wasn't a particle wave from the explosion itself.

Also, "Fastest Man Alive" is just a tagline for the show. Barry hasn't been the "Fastest Man" in both seasons of the show, so far.

 

In "Back to Normal" and "Rupture" the narration should've been "My name is Barry Allen, and I was the fastest man alive."

In "The Runaway Dinosaur" the narration should be "My name is Barry Allen. I was the fast man who was alive."

 

I like the idea of Barry mentoring Wally, but on the show Barry really isn't there just yet in my opinion. He can hardly keep himself out of trouble or deal with any problem on his own. He doesn't even understand or is able to control his powers most of the time. He would make a really crappy mentor.

I think they took a lot of the initial allure of the Barry/Wally-Mentor/pupil relationship from the comics away by aging Wally up this much and giving him the personality he has. I see them more as equals than anything else, and Barry trying to teach Wally anything would appear rather unbelievable to me.

 

I'm really curious how they explain what happened to Barry towards the end of last episode. It would be neat for him to 'merge' with the speed force, and I hope they are able to somewhat explain what the speed force actually is on the show.

I would prefer for neither Wally nor Jesse to get speed like powers. Maybe they could go with something else like with Iry and Jay in the comics, not exactly like their powers, but something else than speed.

 

I thought we only had 2 episodes left not 3 because I thought it was 22 episodes not 23 and I thought last year was 22 but it was 23 and I also thought the season final was may 17 not 24. So we have one more episode then I thought we did and I just found that out yes! One episode more then I thought lol.