The Halloween Film Series Thread... - Part 4

[The Joker]

well anyone can play Hannibal Lector since he is a novel creation and so is Bond and anyone can play Joker or Batman as they are literary characters.

But there are some original made-for-the screen characters like Venkman, Freddy Krueger, Marty McFly and Indiana Jones you can't replace with a different actor as it would be crap and Jackie proved he was lousy as Freddy and was NOT Freddy despite being a talented actor wasted in a horrible movie.

You're not listening to what I'm saying. I'll repeat it once more; it doesn't make any difference at all if the character is from a literary source or not. DOES. NOT. MATTER.

These characters are defined for the general audience by the on screen portrayals. The fact these characters come from a literary source doesn't make an iota of a difference. The same illogical mentality you are using here was used for James Bond, Batman, Joker and a slew of other literary based characters who were given popular first on screen portrayals. Your argument is no different, except you are using some fabrication that its a rule that its ok if the character comes from a literary source.

If Jackie Earle Haley and the reboot NOES had been great, people wouldn't give a damn. Audiences just want good movies. People were not against the idea of a NOES reboot, or someone else playing Hans Solo etc when they were announced. Because the idea that only one actor can play these characters is ridiculous.

The Nightmare on Elmstreet remake was a terrible movie from a terrible studio made by a director who had actively avoided making the movie but was pursued by the producers and filled with actors who hated making it.

That does not preclude the possibility of someone else making a good movie.

Exactly.

 

[MadderMaximus]

Ewan was a great Obi Wan, in spite of the actual qualities of the movies he was in.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

The Nightmare on Elmstreet remake was a terrible movie from a terrible studio made by a director who had actively avoided making the movie

Not the studio I had in mind, but they suck too.

 

[Hordakfan]

You're not listening to what I'm saying. I'll repeat it once more; it doesn't make any difference at all if the character is from a literary source or not. DOES. NOT. MATTER.

These characters are defined for the general audience by the on screen portrayals. The fact these characters come from a literary source doesn't make an iota of a difference. The same illogical mentality you are using here was used for James Bond, Batman, Joker and a slew of other literary based characters who were given popular first on screen portrayals. Your argument is no different, except you are using some fabrication that its a rule that its ok if the character comes from a literary source.

If Jackie Earle Haley and the reboot NOES had been great, people wouldn't give a damn. Audiences just want good movies. People were not against the idea of a NOES reboot, or someone else playing Hans Solo etc when they were announced. Because the idea that only one actor can play these characters is ridiculous.



Exactly.

Englund is FREDDY period! End of story, accept no subsitutes because Englund had charisma and the substitutes don't. Jackie is a good actor but wasted on the role as Freddy as his Freddy was beyond awful and is NOT Freddy.

Elm Street was NOT a reboot, it was a remake first of all! a reboot is telling a completely different story like Batman Begins (not a remake of the 1989 Burton Batman film), Rise of the Planet of the Apes or Casino Royale. A remake is telling the same story as the original like Elm Street or Robocop.

 

[Broseph44]

This guy is still going on?

 

[BH/HHH]

Hordakfan,

Wow there’s just no way you can even have a conversation and accept other possibilities.

Your reasons for allowing and not allowing recastings is stupid.

It’s actulaly funny about the Freddy thing cause the first choice wasn’t even Robert England it was was David Warner. That right there tells you that different interpretations of the character were thought of. You can still be a character but be different to what came before. Lugosi’s Dracula is not th same as Lee’s. Heck what about all the different actors that have played Michael Myers or Jason Voorhees. I’m but saying you reinvent the wheel cause then you can make a character not the same character at all. But with Freddy is possible to have someone else nail it like Lee did with his interpretation of Dracula compared to Lugosi.

Finally the point being made that you continue with to ignore is you don’t have to watch the new films that the MAJORITY want so why can’t you simply just not watch them? Why do they have to stop making them? If they do keep making them how does that ruin your enjoyment of the entries you like?

 

[KillerMcQueen]

This guy is still going on?

Unfortunately.

 

[Hordakfan]

Hordakfan,

Wow there’s just no way you can even have a conversation and accept other possibilities.

Your reasons for allowing and not allowing recastings is stupid.

It’s actulaly funny about the Freddy thing cause the first choice wasn’t even Robert England it was was David Warner. That right there tells you that different interpretations of the character were thought of. You can still be a character but be different to what came before. Lugosi’s Dracula is not th same as Lee’s. Heck what about all the different actors that have played Michael Myers or Jason Voorhees. I’m but saying you reinvent the wheel cause then you can make a character not the same character at all. But with Freddy is possible to have someone else nail it like Lee did with his interpretation of Dracula compared to Lugosi.

Finally the point being made that you continue with to ignore is you don’t have to watch the new films that the MAJORITY want so why can’t you simply just not watch them? Why do they have to stop making them? If they do keep making them how does that ruin your enjoyment of the entries you like?

Lugosi and other actors can play Dracula because Dracula is a literary character and so is Bond and Batman is a comic character you can recast.

But you cannot recast truly original cinematic characters like Freddy Marty McFly, Peter Vincent etc. from the actors that were born to play the role and embodied the roles even with charisma and personalities.

Big difference between pinhead/Freddy to Jason/Leatherface/Michael is Those last 3 masked characters don't rely upon actors with unique personalities or charisma to bring them to life or to ultimately make them what they are.

Bond was a character long before the films came along that was brought to life on the page, and the characters of Michael Myers, Jason Voorhees and Leatherface don't speak and don't rely upon anything other than a physical presence to make them spring to life.

Where with Freddy, Englund has to be both a physical and an emotional presence. Which is what makes those roles nearly impossible to recast. Because of how closely tied they are to the actor's performance.

The actor's performances in A Nightmare On Elm Street was the largest factor in the success and impact of those characters. Their unique personalities and charisma is what made those characters icons. Without them those characters are one and done and nothing but distant memories.

Englund is the only and only TRUE Freddy, accept no subsitutes and any subsitute is horrible or epic fail or half-assed and totally alien.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Englund is FREDDY period! End of story, accept no subsitutes because Englund had charisma and the substitutes don't. Jackie is a good actor but wasted on the role as Freddy as his Freddy was beyond awful and is NOT Freddy.

Elm Street was NOT a reboot, it was a remake first of all! a reboot is telling a completely different story like Batman Begins (not a remake of the 1989 Burton Batman film), Rise of the Planet of the Apes or Casino Royale. A remake is telling the same story as the original like Elm Street or Robocop.

Just like to point out here, Casino Royale could be argued it streams across both re-make and re-boot given IT DOES tell the same story not a 'completely different' story that had gone before. The 2006 film is taken from the book not the Woody Allen pastiche.

It was decided to go 'back to basics' as they had nowhere else to turn after effectively Die Another Day did just that.

 

[Broseph44]

You really don’t understand that people have different views and opinions do you? Your opinions, thoughts and views are not the end all be all only correct answer.

 

[BH/HHH]

Lugosi and other actors can play Dracula because Dracula is a literary character and so is Bond and Batman is a comic character you can recast.

But you cannot recast truly original cinematic characters like Freddy Marty McFly, Peter Vincent etc. from the actors that were born to play the role and embodied the roles even with charisma and personalities.

Big difference between pinhead/Freddy to Jason/Leatherface/Michael is Those last 3 masked characters don't rely upon actors with unique personalities or charisma to bring them to life or to ultimately make them what they are.

Bond was a character long before the films came along that was brought to life on the page, and the characters of Michael Myers, Jason Voorhees and Leatherface don't speak and don't rely upon anything other than a physical presence to make them spring to life.

Where with Freddy, Englund has to be both a physical and an emotional presence. Which is what makes those roles nearly impossible to recast. Because of how closely tied they are to the actor's performance.

The actor's performances in A Nightmare On Elm Street was the largest factor in the success and impact of those characters. Their unique personalities and charisma is what made those characters icons. Without them those characters are one and done and nothing but distant memories.

Englund is the only and only TRUE Freddy, accept no subsitutes and any subsitute is horrible or epic fail or half-assed and totally alien.

Your reasons for allowing recastings and not are narrow minded. I’ve honestly never heard anything so ridiculous in my life. Characters written on the page of a script mostly always don’t have actors attached before it’s written. So it’s not like only one actor is allowed to play those roles.

Still ducking the other questions I see

 

[Hordakfan]

You really don’t understand that people have different views and opinions do you? Your opinions, thoughts and views are not the end all be all only correct answer.

and what do you think of those two reviewers i mentioned?

 

[ImSGirl95]

So, any fans on the theory that H20 movie connects with the 4-6 timeline. I have always been a fan of it.
And there are the great Chaos Comics that tie them together, and I like it.

And the chronology is this:

John Carpenter’s Halloween
Halloween II
Halloween 4: The Rrturn of Michael Myers
Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers
Halloween 6: The Curse of Michael Myers
Halloween: Chaos Comics #1
Halloween: Chaos Comics #2
Halloween H20: 20 Years Later
Halloween: Chaos Comics #3


Which works great for me!

 

[Broseph44]

and what do you think of those two reviewers i mentioned?

I think they have their own thoughts and opinions and not everybody in the horror community shares them. Some probably do and some don’t. You don’t seem to grasp that concept. You think us that don’t agree with you are like lost or something and you’re trying to show us the way. Very preachy.

 

[Hordakfan]

Your all hopeless, i'm leaving this thread.

Me and those 2 guys are more smarter than anyone here.

I also hopes this flops and have Hollywood come up with new ideas for franchises of horror and fresh new horror icons.

 

[Doctor Jones]

It was a very good trailer. It made me want to listen to the original's soundtrack so that's something. This seems like it could be a T2, Aliens type thing where they share the same beats to the original but are wholly different in vision making it feel unique. I'm still not totally sold on the idea of Michael being incarcerated again, as it sort of dilutes the ending of the original, but I'll give it a chance, as long as it's not there to just feel like the original.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Your all hopeless, i'm leaving this thread.

Me and those 2 guys are more smarter than anyone here.

Just bolding those for the irony. Good riddance, please make sure the door hits you on the way out.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Your all hopeless, i'm leaving this thread.

Me and those 2 guys are more smarter than anyone here.

I also hopes this flops and have Hollywood come up with new ideas for franchises of horror and fresh new horror icons.

It's you are or you're.

 

[antsman41]

Can Hordakfan be banned from this thread...

 

[Man in the Suit]

Your all hopeless, i'm leaving this thread.

Me and those 2 guys are more smarter than anyone here.

I also hopes this flops and have Hollywood come up with new ideas for franchises of horror and fresh new horror icons.

 

[Broseph44]

Your all hopeless, i'm leaving this thread.

Me and those 2 guys are more smarter than anyone here.

I also hopes this flops and have Hollywood come up with new ideas for franchises of horror and fresh new horror icons.

This guy clearly came in here to stir up **** and troll. It was pretty obvious, but this post right here solidified it.

 

[Broseph44]

Can Hordakfan be banned from this thread...

That would be great from this thread and the horror thread too.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

If you don't want him to come back, don't quote him, he might be one of those to have settings ready as to receive notifications whenever someone quotes a post of his.

Anyway, could it be that for this movie Michael happened to make a mistake when it comes to tracking his baby sister? I don't remember whether the original movie made it clear about the death of his parents or was that left for sequels to handle.

 

[SuperBatman]

Your all hopeless, i'm leaving this thread.

Me and those 2 guys are more smarter than anyone here.

I also hopes this flops and have Hollywood come up with new ideas for franchises of horror and fresh new horror icons.

So you leave because you think nobody can have different opinions than you and your two friends. Great enough with this we can actually continue to talk about Halloween in this thread and not be bothered about this again have a nice day.

 

[The Joker]

Englund is FREDDY period!

I give up. You are so out of touch with reality on this that you can't see cold hard logic slapping you in the face. You know what they say; you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

i'm leaving this thread.

First sensible thing you've said. Stick with your two YouTube friends. I'm sure you'll be much happier in their company.