"The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 1

[Travesty]

So now this thread is filled with people who hate the idea of this movie, mixed with people who want to talk about how much they hate Trump.

It's going to be lovely talking about this movie.

 

[Greens]

He is. The man wants to shut down google, for f*** sakes.

No, he's not. Get some perspective.

Put to keep things on track, if Alec and the script pull it off... cool. If they don't, that sucks.

 

[FunkMiller]

Tell Matt Reeves to make haste with his script then.

...my point being, that we really should be talking about mainline DC movies, instead of these ill advised off shoot movies, designed to help paper over the bulging cracks at the heart of WB’s strategy towards the DC property.

The movie will be another Solo.

 

[Rorschach2012]

The movie will be another Solo.

My moneys on this being a big hit. Especially if they truly go all out with it and maintain the rumored R rating. But I’ll wait til the trailer to judge

 

[Greens]

...my point being, that we really should be talking about mainline DC movies, instead of these ill advised off shoot movies, designed to help paper over the bulging cracks at the heart of WB’s strategy towards the DC property.

The movie will be another Solo.

I don't really see the Solo parallel. So because Star Wars failed with Solo, nobody should make these movies? I personally don't give a **** about a lot of the main DC characters, so bring on the movies about characters I do care about like Joker.

 

[Hurm...]

So Barron Trump is our future Batman?

Hmmm

 

[TheVileOne]

And...I'm out.

 

[BestGirl]

I'm not worried about the Trump rumor because I don't buy it for a second. Way too many people in the GP know that Thomas and Martha Wayne are supposed to be nice people and good parents; that's why Bruce is so devastated by their deaths. It's more likely, as someone else suggested, that the Joker and his mother will merely perceive Thomas that way.

 

[Boom]

Tell you what though gang... I’d prefer a new Batman movie to this. I know that sounds like a bizarre thing to say.

You're getting that too, so....

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm not worried about the Trump rumor because I don't buy it for a second. Way too many people in the GP know that Thomas and Martha Wayne are supposed to be nice people and good parents; that's why Bruce is so devastated by their deaths. It's more likely, as someone else suggested, that the Joker and his mother will merely perceive Thomas that way.

Maybe they'll make it like Shallow Hal. Thomas Wayne appears normal to everyone else, but to the Joker he appears like Trump.

But perhaps the rumour about Wayne being like Trump is fake news!

 

[Frodo]

But perhaps the rumour about Wayne being like Trump is fake news!

Lol. We already had a Trump like homage in a Batman film...Max Shrek..

 

[FunkMiller]

You're getting that too, so....

Sorry, should have been clearer. I mean I would like some positive news about DC’s main characters, rather than hearing nothing about them, and instead having to hear about spin offs that very few people want, and are only being made because they’ve made such a cluster**** of everything, but don’t actually have stones to make the changes they need to.

 

[Flint Marko]

We obviously know very little at this stage, but this sounds like it's either destined to be amazing or outright terrible, no in between.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Trump is hardly the worst thing about the world. I trust you don't watch war movies?

Did I say he was the worst thing about the world? But he's certainly awful, and if you live in the U.S., he DOMINATES every news cycle like no president ever has before.

 

[Greens]

Did I say he was the worst thing about the world? But he's certainly awful, and if you live in the U.S., he DOMINATES every news cycle like no president ever has before.

I know, but I don't see why a "parallel" in a movie is so hard to stomach.

If people want to give up on the movie because of this little factoid, been nice seeing ya.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I know, but I don't see why a "parallel" in a movie is so hard to stomach.

If people want to give up on the movie because of this little factoid, been nice seeing ya.

I think it's the character that's (possibly) being based on him.

I mean, old Biff in Back to the Future II was based on Trump, and it works, because Biff is a bully, a crook, a womanizer and an attempted rapist. But Thomas Wayne? Part of what makes Bruce Wayne such a good person is the fact that his parents were good people too. While it's true that their murder was the key moment that shaped who he became, it's also very clear in many stories (and especially in the Nolan films) that the Waynes were good people and Thomas came from a long line of good people. There's much more to the character than just a rich guy who got shot.

Now, if this movie is told from the twisted perspective of the Joker and we see his perception of Wayne as a slimeball, then maybe this can work, I don't know. But it would have to be made clear that we are seeing the Joker's warped vision of the world and not the real one.

 

[Greens]

I think it's the character that's (possibly) being based on him.

I mean, old Biff in Back to the Future II was based on Trump, and it works, because Biff is a bully, a crook, a womanizer and an attempted rapist. But Thomas Wayne? Part of what makes Bruce Wayne such a good person is the fact that his parents were good people too. While it's true that their murder was the key moment that shaped who he became, it's also very clear in many stories (and especially in the Nolan films) that the Waynes were good people and Thomas came from a long line of good people. There's much more to the character than just a rich guy who got shot.

I love how Nolan used Thomas in Batman Begins and it worked for that movie. This story here doesn't really have anything to do with Bruce or his upbringing, so you're not missing any sort of emotional attachment that should be there. He's probably there to be a thorn in Joker's side in one way or another and that's fine with me. I get where you're coming from, but I also think you're making a problem where there is none by considering a larger context that ostensibly doesn't exist in this universe. Even if you were to consider Bruce and all that, we have no indication that he whoops Bruce's ass or anything.

The thing about seeing Thomas from Joker's perspective... it could be true, but I doubt that. Just sounds like a theory for people who need it to cope with the news.

 

[2kt09]

But it would have to be made clear that we are seeing the Joker's warped vision of the world and not the real one.

It's elseworld.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I love how Nolan used Thomas in Batman Begins and it worked for that movie. This story here doesn't really have anything to do with Bruce or his upbringing, so you're not missing any sort of emotional attachment that should be there. He's probably there to be a thorn in Joker's side in one way or another and that's fine with me. I get where you're coming from, but I also think you're making a problem where there is none by considering a larger context that ostensibly doesn't exist in this universe. Even if you were to consider Bruce and all that, we have no indication that he whoops Bruce's ass or anything.

The thing about seeing Thomas from Joker's perspective... it could be true, but I doubt that. Just sounds like a theory for people who need it to cope with the news.

Even if there is no Bruce Wayne in this movie, it's still implied that he exists in this universe; otherwise why have Thomas Wayne there? Or maybe that's the whole thing? It's a world where Batman never existed (hence the reason Thomas Wayne is in his 60s)? I don't know. I guess we'll see.

 

[Greens]

Even if there is no Bruce Wayne in this movie, it's still implied that he exists in this universe; otherwise why have Thomas Wayne there? Or maybe that's the whole thing? It's a world where Batman never existed (hence the reason Thomas Wayne is in his 60s)? I don't know. I guess we'll see.

I think it's going to be left ambiguous whether Batman exists past this movie's ending.

 

[Black Narcissus]

The cast alone is insane. They got my money.

 

[The Guard]

I like that so many people embrace this as a sort of ELSEWORLDS thing, but the minute there's a change to a major character's long running status quo, many of them are apparently running for the hills.

It's true that one of the things that makes the Wayne story interesting is their goodness. And we've seen that, in other interpretations of the mythology. There's no inherent harm in doing something different in a standalone story, even if it's making him into a "villain" of sorts. Plenty of stories have played with the idea that Wayne had some skeletons in his closet.

And there's always the chance that Thomas Wayne, like many versions of Bruce Wayne, can evolve and grow beyond the "playboy" persona.

I doubt it's an accident that they're using Thomas Wayne instead of say, Rupert Thorne or another random evil businessman. They must be doing something with the Wayne legacy here in relation to The Joker's story.

 

[OutOfBoose]

The cast alone is insane. They got my money.

They definitely assembled a great crew. But they haven't got my money until I see the trailer, at least. Not because I can't accept Wayne Sr. as a Jordan Belfort type, but I just need to see the quality. I'm not gonna make another mistake by falling in love with a production because I like the actors, or the director, or the idea of a film... We will see how it comes along.

 

[The Shape]

I am pumped for this movie. No, we don't NEED a Joker movie, but it is so much more intriguing to me as this kind of Elseworlds tale that isn't beholden to the canon. This film definitely has potential.

 

[Dark Raven]

Who is in this cast apart from Alec Baldwin? Who is playing the Joker?