The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 7

[Docker2.0]

Duly noted.

Nonsense! This thing deserved to be bashed until Fox publicly apologizes for thinking of making this thing.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Came into this forum looking for some info on the new movie, happened to stumble into this thread...

I understand people wanting to see a great Fantastic Four movie, I do too. However, wishing failure upon a movie so that it can go to other creative hands is something else.

No one here has seen this movie, it should not be pre-judged. I remember plenty pre-judging DOFP Quicksilver and he turned out to be the most popular character in the movie.

And even if the Fantastic Four license were to return to Marvel Studios, there is no guarantee that what they would do would satisfy those who deride this currently unreleased film. Marvel Studios is not Midas, everything they touch does not turn to gold.

I've never been a stickler for adhering directly to source material, so that isn't going to be my argument. My argument is more about allowing artists their own interpretation of the source material. One of the phrases I have always disliked is "the book was better" in the context of someone reviewing a movie and using that phrase as a means to deride the movie.

When going from one medium to another, changes will be made. But another thing is that you are working with different artists as well. Just as the writer of the comic and the illustrator have their chance to create the material, I think the writer/director of a movie should be afforded the same chance to make their own vision.

This is my same feeling when I hear people criticize the The Dark Knight trilogy for certain choices it made. I see them as Nolan's three graphic novels.

Just because I am saying this doesn't mean that someone has to like another artist's interpretation of the source material, but I do believe that it should be given a chance and not be pre-judged.

Look at something like Batman: The Animated Series, it had its own interpretation of different characters or even invented characters, some additions were so great that they were added into the comics like Harley Quinn and Mr. Freeze's new backstory.

I know some Batman fans were mixed on Two-Face in The Dark Knight, I personally thought it was the best interpretation of the character so far.

As you can see, villains are one of my favorite things about comic books. One of the things I really want to see is a great big screen adaptation of Dr. Doom and I am very willing to give this a chance to see what interpretation they have created for this movie. I honestly think that if Fox uses the same tone they have set in the X-Men movies for a movie like this, then it is the best chance to see an interpretation of the character that I will really enjoy.

As good as a lot of Marvel's movies are, I still have yet to see them create a villain that I love besides Loki and even including him I haven't seen a villain that has been truly intimidating. I think their choice of a largely more light-hearted tone has hurt them in this capacity. Granted we haven't see Ultron in a full film yet, just a trailer, but I am not going to fully judge the character off of anything but seeing the final product.

That being said I am not going to say that no one can have a feeling or an impression of how they think this movie will turn out. People can have a good feeling about it or a bad feeling about it, same as I have a good feeling about something like Marvel Studio's interpretation of Ultron based on the trailer.

I just don't think this movie should be condemned before it comes out.

Whose fault is it that this is being received so poorly? Us, the consumers, or Fox, the filmmakers?

Some people may be being 'unfair' about how they're treating this film, but they have every right to have any opinion they choose and they aren't getting paid to have one opinion or the other.

Even if, by some miracle, Fox can collect all the s*** we've seen so far into a great movie, they've already done us, the FF fans, a huge disservice by making the film look so bad up until this point.

Getting fans on-board is part of the process. If Fox makes a great, faithful FF film but nobody goes because Fox has done such a poor job of convincing them it's worth seeing, then we, the FF fans lose - not because the people who might pay money to see it are 'wrong' (the customer is always right) but because the studio hasn't done their job.

I'm not happy with how things are going and you're not happy with how things are going. The difference is I'm saying 'Fox, give us something good.' and you're saying: 'Fans, accept something you don't like.'

 

[Docker2.0]

Yep! There's a reason why Marvel Studios have tons of fans and making Billions at the box office with people trusting their vision. Whereas with Fox and WB, people are skeptical.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't know, i could go on for a while about how different I feel he is.
and i wouldn't be lying or exaggerating.
he's not merely tweaked, he's fundamentally different.

No, he's not.

Let's list some of things that define who Tony Stark is in the comics and compare them to the film version.

Billionaire? Check.
Technical genius? Check.
Weapons Developer turned Philanthropist after hostage experience? Check.
Giant Ego? Check.
Hard drinking party guy? Check.
Red and Gold Combat Armor? Check.
Playboy? Check.
International Celebrity? Check.
Smooth talking Roger Moore-esque wisecracker? No, he's more of a fasttalker than a smooth-talker.

I'm not saying he's 100% the same as in the comics, but he's 90% the same. He's been my favorite character for 25 years and he's always been the cool, snarky one in comparison to characters to Cap.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Nonsense! This thing deserved to be bashed until Fox publicly apologizes for thinking of making this thing.

Oh, I agree. I was merely confirming that I had read and understood his commentary.

 

[starscream22]

I understand people wanting to see a great Fantastic Four movie, I do too. However, wishing failure upon a movie so that it can go to BETTER HANDS is fantastic!

FIXED!

Marvel Studio's is my "Team" I applaud them when they're up (Avengers) and I reprimand them when they're down (IM3). So yes I want all the rights to revert back to Marvel. And if that requires a few flops from other teams (studios), so what... I don't like them anyway!

You think Cleveland fans cares how Miami fans feels right now...? Did Miami fans care how Cleveland fans felt back then??? (LeBron = Marvel rights)

People need perspective. If one "team" has to loose in order for your team to make the playoffs, then who are you going to route for???

If you get the likenesses here then I'm certain that you can get pass the lame guilt trips people throw at you for speaking against what's clearly their person interest.

It's not being a poor sport when you personally feel like you've wasted time and money on a studio's projects countless times. I'm not calling for their downfall I just want a few pieces they own traded elsewhere.

 

[Tymminator]

No, he's not.

Let's list some of things that define who Tony Stark is in the comics and compare them to the film version.

Billionaire? Check.
Technical genius? Check.
Weapons Developer turned Philanthropist after hostage experience? Check.
Giant Ego? Check.
Hard drinking party guy? Check.
Red and Gold Combat Armor? Check.
Playboy? Check.
International Celebrity? Check.
Smooth talking Roger Moore-esque wisecracker? No, he's more of a fasttalker than a smooth-talker.

I'm not saying he's 100% the same as in the comics, but he's 90% the same. He's been my favorite character for 25 years and he's always been the cool, snarky one in comparison to characters to Cap.

Indeed. Plus Bendis wrote New Avengers that predate any Marvel Studious movie and his Ironman was very much like the movies. Millar's Ultimates (volumes 1 and 2) also had a similar wriiten character.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

I'm not happy with how things are going and you're not happy with how things are going. The difference is I'm saying 'Fox, give us something good.' and you're saying: 'Fans, accept something you don't like.'

Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

"Just because I am saying this doesn't mean that someone has to like another artist's interpretation of the source material, but I do believe that it should be given a chance and not be pre-judged."

 

[Zarex]

Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

"Just because I am saying this doesn't mean that someone has to like another artist's interpretation of the source material, but I do believe that it should be given a chance and not be pre-judged."

Like many of my fellow fans of the classic Fantastic Four, I had a few wishes regarding the reboot:

Part of the MCU
No origin story
Veteran, experienced team
Actors that resemble their comic book counterparts
Fantastic adventure, light on the "grim" and "gritty
Franklin & Valeria
Exploration of other worlds
Doom not part of the "Fantastic Five"

With Kinberg and others telling us that none of my wishes will be fulfilled with this FFINO reboot, why shouldn't I prejudge it?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

"Just because I am saying this doesn't mean that someone has to like another artist's interpretation of the source material, but I do believe that it should be given a chance and not be pre-judged."

Putting in a mild disclaimer doesn't change the fact that you're not putting the blame where it belongs.

If you don't like the fact that many people are 'pre-judging', tell Fox to give us something more, don't tell us we shouldn't make judgements based on the information Fox is giving us.

I don't like Miles Teller as Reed.
I don't like basing the film on UFF.
I don't like the low budget.
I don't like the lack of studio support.
I don't like the fact that they hired a first-time script-writer.
etc. etc. etc.

If Fox doesn't like me making judgements about what they're giving me, they can give me something better.

I'm giving Fox the respect they deserve. Nothing more, nothing less.

Why shouldn't I 'pre-judge'? I've been waiting for a good FF film for over 40 years, and I feel I have a right to discuss the things I don't like about this project on a forum and thread that is specifically designed for that.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

With Kinberg and others telling us that none of my wishes will be fulfilled with this FFINO reboot, why shouldn't I prejudge it?

Because it could still be great despite not being what you wanted it to be.

It appears at this point that the movie has no chance with many of you because it isn't what you wanted it to be. Many times there have been other comics book movies that have come out and they didn't have in them what I wanted them to be, but I at least gave them a chance to be judged on their own merits.

This is why I again go back to the discussion of source material and what part it plays in the movie adaptation. An artist should be allowed their own interpretation. It could possibly bring something new or great to the table.

Should I call the original 1931 Frankenstein, Frankenstein In Name Only because it is loosely based on the novel? The novel is great, but so is the movie and it is considered to be a classic.

 

[starscream22]

Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

Honestly nope. But I'm sure we all read it before.......

 

[Whiskey Tango]

It essentially boils down to "Give Fox your money, THEN complain"

Which ain't happening.

 

[Endeavor]

I'm not paying to see this crap in theaters.
Maybe when they air it on TV.. maybe

 

[starscream22]

Because it could still be great despite not being what you wanted it to be.

........But that sounds more like what YOU want it to be.

 

[fixxxer]

It's actually pretty simple.

There's (a) taking liberties with the source material so that the adapted work might be more interesting and/or fresher and/or more resonant to a different generation and (b) taking a dump on the source material. Everything I've read, heard and discovered about this project leads me to my opinion that this film is more in line with the latter rather than the former.

The onus is on Fox and Trank and everyone else involved to change my opinion. Not the other way around.

 

[starscream22]

It essentially boils down to "Give Fox your money, THEN complain"

Which ain't happening.

Amen!

 

[Endeavor]

22, did Teller really say what's in your sig?

 

[Dark Raven]

22, did Teller really say what's in your sig?

He did. Starscream linked that article yesterday a page or so back.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

22, did Teller really say what's in your sig?

He did. And that leaves us with one of two inescapable logical conclusions:

a. Miles Teller claims it's a fact that they're ruining the franchise.

or

b. Miles Teller is not bright and articulate enough to play the world's smartest man.

 

[harryoscop]

I'm going to give this movie a chance, I loved UFF, so I'm probably going to like this movie.

 

[Endeavor]

He did. Starscream linked that article yesterday a page or so back.

Wow. Just, Wow.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I'm going to give this movie a chance, I loved UFF, so I'm probably going to like this movie.

... but this film isnt "ultimate fantastic four:the movie" in fact as far as we know the only "ultimate" thing about it is their ages...

 

[Crimz]

What's wrong with "pre-judging" a movie? I do it all the time with tv shows and games. When it comes to spending my money I will pre judge whatever I want and it's ok.
Anyway, the quicker this mess is over the better, we are getting something from the Warcraft movie being released 2016 before this. That says it all to me.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

What's wrong with "pre-judging" a movie? I do it all the time with tv shows and games. When it comes to spending my money I will pre judge whatever I want and it's ok.

There's a difference between deciding whether you want to spend your time or money on something and calling a movie that you haven't seen bad.