The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 7

[Willie Lumpkin]

What's wrong with "pre-judging" a movie? I do it all the time with tv shows and games. When it comes to spending my money I will pre judge whatever I want and it's ok.
Anyway, the quicker this mess is over the better, we are getting something from the Warcraft movie being released 2016 before this. That says it all to me.

Exactly! Good studios spend a lot of time, money and effort to make sure people pre-judge their films in a positive light.

Fox is not doing that.

Fox is getting what they deserve.

 

[Crimz]

There's a difference between deciding whether you want to spend your time or money on something and calling a movie that you haven't seen bad.

There's nothing wrong with that to me. And since 2012 when they said they were going to make this film I have been following it. I was excited at first and when Trank was announced, but after every piece of news I have lost all faith and now I just don't care and want it over quickly and revert.

Even Fox doesn't seem confident in this mess.

 

[Endeavor]

Fox is getting what they deserve.

Actually they're not.

What they deserve is to lose all rights to any Marvel properties.

They should have since they created MuteZombiePhoenix, BarakaCykePool, Galactacloud, and all the crap that accompanied those movies.

 

[Zarex]

There's a difference between deciding whether you want to spend your time or money on something and calling a movie that you haven't seen bad.

There's not many posters calling the movie "bad". For all we know Trank's FFINO could be the Citizen Kane of irradiated quartet movies.

What long time fans are saying, in direct response to what Kinberg and the cast are telling us, is that this radical reimagining of Marvel's First Family is not what we want to see.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Indeed. Plus Bendis wrote New Avengers that predate any Marvel Studious movie and his Ironman was very much like the movies. Millar's Ultimates (volumes 1 and 2) also had a similar wriiten character.

That is true as well.

It should also be noted that Cap's personality has undergone similar modifications in the transfer to film. Cap in the comics is professional and serious pretty much all the time. The Chris Evans version is far more laid back and personable than is typically depicted, and it works because it makes him more relatable.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

There's not many posters calling the movie "bad". For all we know Trank's FFINO could be the Citizen Kane of irradiated quartet movies.

What long time fans are saying, in direct response to what Kinberg and the cast are telling us, is that this radical reimagining of Marvel's First Family is not what we want to see.

And this is ultimately why fans are already drawing conclusions. We have been told over and over again by the people making this film what it is going to be like, and what we are being told is not something we want to see.

There is only one way that fans will be satisfied. That is if Kinberg, Trank, the cast, etc., are all blatantly lying. Is there any evidence to suggest that they are? If so, I sure haven't seen it.

 

[starscream22]

There's a difference between deciding whether you want to spend your time or money on something and calling a movie that you haven't seen bad.

This feels like someone who hasn't bothered following this project as closely as us trying to play the "Mother knows best" role.

I think I've followed enough movies during production to make those calls and still end up with a winning percentage... It's quite easy when comparing findings to said project to things I'd actually be interested in. And since I never wanted this reboot done by Fox in the first place, anything other than Fox reverting this franchise back to Marvel is irrelevant.

 

[Dark Raven]

This feels like someone who hasn't bothered following this project as closely as us trying play the "Mother knows best" role.

I think I've followed enough movies during production to make those calls and still end up with a winning percentage... It's quite easy when comparing findings to said project to things I'd actually be interested in. And since I never wanted this reboot done by Fox in the first place, anything other than Fox reverting this franchise back to Marvel is irrelevant.

Which is why I've said before to have all the evidence against this movie stickied as a thread at the top of this forum. He's just another example of someone who comes in later and starts the whole cycle of arguments all over again where people have to explain/ defend things and the poster just doesn't see it. Everyone new to the boards or who hasn't been following the production closely can just read the sticky thread first.

 

[Kelly]

Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

"Just because I am saying this doesn't mean that someone has to like another artist's interpretation of the source material, but I do believe that it should be given a chance and not be pre-judged."

No one is pre-judging anything. We are simply reacting to what we are being told by the actors, Kinberg, Trank, etc...and reacting to pictures that have been leaked. The reaction has been negative not just here, but all over the internet.

Promotion is for people to JUDGE whether they want to go to a movie or not....leaked footage, interviews with the actors, writers, directors, etc all falls into that category as well.

If you haven't read and seen all that people here have seen, OR you simply have a different opinion, cool.....but there is nothing wrong with people not liking what they have seen and heard thus far.

If the trailer that is hopefully coming sooner rather than later goes the direction of what we have seen and heard....then you may not want to peek in here because I can assure you it will be much more negative than what you see right now...lol

 

[Hamill-Joker]

Which is why I've said before to have all the evidence against this movie stickied as a thread at the top of this forum. He's just another example of someone who comes in later and starts the whole cycle of arguments all over again where people have to explain/ defend things and the poster just doesn't see it. Everyone new to the boards or who hasn't been following the production closely can just read the sticky thread first.

I've seen the leaked set photos and read the interviews, words like 'grounded' don't deter me one bit. I just wanted to know if there was info on when we might get a trailer and I stumbled into this hive of negativity. I guess this thread is like a black hole, its gravitational pull is too much.

I think I've followed enough movies during production to make those calls and still end up with a winning percentage... It's quite easy when comparing findings to said project to things I'd actually be interested in. And since I never wanted this reboot done by Fox in the first place, anything other than Fox reverting this franchise back to Marvel is irrelevant.

I've followed plenty of movies during production as well. I believe the first Iron Man had its share of issues and it turned out to be quite great. I also know that plenty of Marvel Studios fans were almost actively campaigning against Days of Future Past prior to release (similar to this thread) and there was a lot of negativity, especially towards things like Quicksilver. And it ended up being a financial and critical success (to the chagrin of some Marvel Studios fans).

 

[Zarex]

I also know that plenty of Marvel Studios fans were almost actively campaigning against Days of Future Past prior to release (similar to this thread) and there was a lot of negativity, especially towards things like Quicksilver. And it ended up being a financial and critical success (to the chagrin of some Marvel Studios fans).

This never happened.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

This never happened.

Not in here, no, but I never said it was in here. But there were plenty of places online where people were hoping that DOFP would tank and continue to hope that Apocalypse will tank.

No one is pre-judging anything. We are simply reacting to what we are being told by the actors, Kinberg, Trank, etc...and reacting to pictures that have been leaked. The reaction has been negative not just here, but all over the internet.

There is a difference in reacting to something and actively rooting for its failure.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

There's a difference between deciding whether you want to spend your time or money on something and calling a movie that you haven't seen bad.

There is a difference in reacting to something and actively rooting for its failure.

And who said it was bad and who is actively rooting for its failure?

Some here probably do think these things, but you don't respond to specific posts - you throw broad accusations around and paint everyone here with opinions you imagine rather than ones that have been specifically stated.

I have never said I think the film is bad and I have never actively rooted for it's failure. And I've never seen Kelly post those things and I highly doubt she believes them.

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder and you seem to be trying to pick a fight with anybody who will take the bait.

Have fun with that. I'm sure there are many who will take you up on it, but most of us have seen enough to know you're not worth the attention you crave.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

And who said it was bad and who is actively rooting for its failure?

Some here probably do think these things, but you don't respond to specific posts - you throw broad accusations around and paint everyone here with opinions you imagine rather than ones that have been specifically stated.

I have never said I think the film is bad and I have never actively rooted for it's failure. And I've never seen Kelly post those things and I highly doubt she believes them.

My original statement was in reaction to the thread as a whole. I was addressing people's responses in regards to what was considered to be prejudgment of the movie, but the discussion turned into a broader one about negativity.

Kelly stated "we" and that implies those taking part in thread discussion, it is a broad statement and it was answered with a broad statement, not necessarily going toward Kelly but at the statement of 'we', which also was amended to include those reacting "all over the internet'.

And starscream brought up other productions as an example for why they felt like they knew what was coming with this movie, which brought up Days of Future Past in my mind because it really stuck out to me as something that people online were having negative feelings towards prior to release. (Quicksilver looks like crap, why is Wolverine the main character again, past sentinels looks like big vacuums, etc...)

 

[starscream22]

Those who compare Singers work to this reboot lose instantly.

I hate Fox-men personally but I'm not devoid of common sense. Singer stayed vocal during filming up until legal issues came about. Fox promoted the h3ll out of that film going back almost 2 years before it released.

To compare that support and work effort to what's going on with this reboot is a slap in the face.

Singer got a lot of backlash throughout but at least he wasn't afraid to show it. H3ll, they couldn't afford not to with such a "HUGE BUDGET".

 

[Hamill-Joker]

I guess this is where we seem to differ. I can take it or leave it when it comes to the filmmaker giving fans updates.

What are you taking away from this? That they are afraid or embarrassed to show anything?

 

[starscream22]

And who said it was bad and who is actively rooting for its failure?

Some here probably do think these things, but you don't respond to specific posts - you throw broad accusations around and paint everyone here with opinions you imagine rather than ones that have been specifically stated.

I have never said I think the film is bad and I have never actively rooted for it's failure. And I've never seen Kelly post those things and I highly doubt she believes them.

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder and you seem to be trying to pick a fight with anybody who will take the bait.

Have fun with that. I'm sure there are many who will take you up on it, but most of us have seen enough to know you're not worth the attention you crave.

OWNED!!!!

Yeah, on that note I'm done.

 

[pavlov]

@Hamill Joker: This is not a discussion board but instead it's a circle j3rk. Don't expect an intellectual exchange here. Because if you try to initiate one, you get called an attention ****e.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

@Hamill Joker: This is not a discussion board but instead it's a circle j3rk. Don't expect an intellectual exchange here. Because if you try to initiate one, you get called an attention ****e.

This specifically is a thread for people who wanted the rights to revert or otherwise were against this movie happening at it's current studio at all.

Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend?

Also I recommend you lose the attitude. You've already had posts deleted because you couldn't handle the discussion without throwing insults around, and here you are again doing the very same thing.

 

[Orba]

This specifically is a thread for people who wanted the rights to revert or otherwise were against this movie happening at it's current studio at all.

Its like going onto a football forum and complaining that everyone keepings talking about sport

 

[Kelly]

@Hamill Joker: This is not a discussion board but instead it's a circle j3rk. Don't expect an intellectual exchange here. Because if you try to initiate one, you get called an attention ****e.

Thus far your 6 posts in this thread have offered absolutely nothing to the topic at hand except to insult posters. Either give some input on the film, or move on.

 

[Dark Raven]

Its like going onto a football forum and complaining that everyone keepings talking about sport

Why can't people talk about something other than comics here?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Those who compare Singers work to this reboot lose instantly.

I hate Fox-men personally but I'm not devoid of common sense. Singer stayed vocal during filming up until legal issues came about. Fox promoted the h3ll out of that film going back almost 2 years before it released.

To compare that support and work effort to what's going on with this reboot is a slap in the face.

Singer got a lot of backlash throughout but at least he wasn't afraid to show it. H3ll, they couldn't afford not to with such a "HUGE BUDGET".

None of the X-Men films ever received anywhere near the backlash that this film has had as well.

 

[the gael]

The only real backlash that Singer received was mainly for Quicksilver, and for, again, the Wolverine role expended to the detriment of Kitty Pride. It's really minor when you compare it to this FFINO, where everything has been criticized (And for good reasons)

DOFP was awaited by a lot of people, FFINO... well, by 10 or 20 people on earth... (and I'm generous)

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The only real backlash that Singer received was mainly for Quicksilver, and for, again, the Wolverine role expended to the detriment of Kitty Pride. It's really minor when you compare it to this FFINO, where everything has been criticized (And for good reasons)

DOFP was awaited by a lot of people, FFINO... well, by 10 or 20 people on earth... (and I'm generous)

Also, keep in mind what the main complaints about Quicksilver were.

1) His look was terrible.
2) His inclusion was an afterthought, intended just for an action scene rather than any meaningful role in the story.

In both cases, the complaints were ABSOLUTELY VALID. His look in the final film was terrible. And while his action scene was very well done, he was a minor character who didn't serve any real purpose in the story and was just forgotten about once his big scene was done. Quicksilver could have been removed from the film and replaced by just about anybody (ex. Juggernaut) and it wouldn't have made a difference.

When trying to argue that complainers are often wrong, it is not a good idea to use an example where they were right.

Furthermore, Quicksilver was such a minor character that nobody was going to base a positive or negative review of DoFP based on his appearance. He is in no way comparable to main characters like Reed Richards in the first place. If Quicksilver is completely screwed up (and I agree that aside from his look, he wasn't), oh well, people are just going to move on to the next scene because he ultimately doesn't mean much. If Richards gets completely screwed up, it will drag down the entire film.