The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 8

[Endeavor]

how can we campaign for Anonymous to target FOX?

 

[Dark Raven]

how can we campaign for Anonymous to target FOX?

Sony ought to write them a letter that if they hack Fox then Sony will pull The Interview completely and stick it in a vault somewhere.

 

[Endeavor]

Lol

 

[Zarex]

Yeah it's just screwup after screwup. And people can't understand why anyone would question Fox's commitment to the source.

It's checkers vs. chess. I really can't blame FOX for wasting most of their supporting characters, as their goal has always been to make enough money to justify the next installment. The cinematic universe building exhibited by Feige and company is pretty much unprecedented.

 

[Dasher10]

Marvel filed a trademark application last year for the name and Agents of SHIELD name dropped Department H, so "Alpha Flight" probably resides at Marvel Studios. The Hudsons appeared in XMO;W, so some of the characters may be split between Marvel and FOX.

I think it's more like something along the lines of Captain America: TFA name dropping Ammagordo when they don't own the rights to Juggernaut. Wyre appears in the Deadpool script which means Alpha Flight are most likely over at Fox.

Agreeing to produce merchandise that Marvel would still own wouldn't be trading away anything of value and the Shi'Ar aren't that important to the X-Men to the point where the franchise absolutely needs them.

But really, I just want to see a Darkhawk film.

 

[starscream22]

If Fox wants the merchandizes rights, they would have gotten that or at least offer a deal a long time ago. IMO, they don't want it.

Sony's leaks indicated that Marvel made $300M off of Spider-man merch while they got squat. So um, yeah...keep thinking "positive".

 

[HAMMER]

Disney will never, NEVER, give up any concessions to Fox with regards to merchandising. They will never strengthen a competitor like that. Disney is just going to continue to change all mutants to Inhumans in the books and slowly phase out X-Men in the books. Its the last area where DisMarv still actively use the X-Men.

 

[starscream22]

Disney will never, NEVER, give up any concessions to Fox with regards to merchandising. They will never strengthen a competitor like that. Disney is just going to continue to change all mutants to Inhumans in the books and slowly phase out X-Men in the books. Its the last area where DisMarv still actively use the X-Men.

And sadly that makes sense. Why should Marvel pour all this effort into a book when FOX can just take it and any new characters in it and make 100's of millions off of b@stardized versions of it? As much as entitled fans rage over the net I'm certain that they wouldn't be able to cope in a similar predicament.

Marvel does need to step up their game if they're going to replace/phase out X-men with Inhumans or any other team though. Worse case scenario they should just have all the main X-characters be part of other books/teams/arcs that Fox and Sony can't touch.

If that sucks, well... Now you know how Marvel-Disney feels. Either support one studio or the other.

 

[Dark Raven]

Sony ought to write them a letter that if they hack Fox then Sony will pull The Interview completely and stick it in a vault somewhere.

Well Sony have pulled the Interview completely now, so will there be a Fox hack to follow?

 

[Eddie]

Well Sony have pulled the Interview completely now, so will there be a Fox hack to follow?

Many experts believe Sony's (foolish) decision to give in to terrorists will motivate hackers to do similar things to other corporations. It's possible.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

well.. paramount also pulled team america. I don't necessarily think a studio would completely be willing to lose all money and shelve a film they spent money on.. unless they feel forced to. I wouldn't be shocked if CIA or what not said, no, this is something bigger, we don't want to risk it.

after all Sony originally was just pulling promoting the film by cast.. and in a day, it went from that to canceling the film all together on every venue...

 

[Endeavor]

Kim Yung WooHoo, or however his name is spelled. A real life super villain.
Go figure.

 

[Eddie]

Kim Yung WooHoo, or however his name is spelled. A real life super villain.
Go figure.

A super villain. An evil dictator super villain. An evil dictator super villain with mad hacking skillz.

Holy ****, Kim Jong-Un's Dr. Doom!

 

[Endeavor]

Aww ****
That means he won't hack FOX. Doesn't it?

 

[Eddie]

Aww ****
That means he won't hack FOX. Doesn't it?

Nope.

He's pleased with Miles Teller as Reed Richards. Finally, a version of Richards he could believably beat up.

 

[Dark Raven]

Could Fox stage a fake hacking or terrorist threat to pull FFINO from theatres when they see that it's going to bomb terribly and it's getting closer to the release date?

I would be like the movie "Wag the Dog", but then most of FFINO's production has been like that anyway.

 

[Wise]

Disney will never, NEVER, give up any concessions to Fox with regards to merchandising. They will never strengthen a competitor like that. Disney is just going to continue to change all mutants to Inhumans in the books and slowly phase out X-Men in the books. Its the last area where DisMarv still actively use the X-Men.

X-Men have already been largely irrelevant in the comics for the past ten years.

X-Men vs Avengers was sort of their last hurrah, but it was a terrible series.

And now Wolverine is dead.

 

[def28]

X-Men have already been largely irrelevant in the comics for the past ten years.

X-Men are pretty connected now.

Just look at the past and upcoming year. Uncanny Avengers, Black Vortex, AXIS, A+X, Spider-Man and The X-Men etc. The X-Men had over a dozen books on top of it this year. Plus were in every crossover. They are way more relevant in the Marvel comic world as a whole these days. Marvel has done that purposely by crossing them over more and making a team of Avengers and X-Men. They even have Kitty Pryde dating Starlord at the moment so she shows up in GOTG and Legendary Starlord. When Wolverine died that just branched off a slew of more Wolverine books to make money off of.

Can't really see how they are irrelevant in any way. AvsX was actually the beginning, that started Uncanny Avengers and then lead to their current crossover AXIS. So that story line alone has been going on for 3 years now, and UA looks to reboot next month.

The Marvel big guns in comics are still Spidey, X-Men and Avengers. Not much has changed in popularity with the exception of Guardians and Deadpool now being big sellers as well... and F4 taking a nose dive for the past 5 years.

 

[Orba]

I remember when AvsX came out and Marvel started to work on getting the X-Men more involved with the rest of the Marvel universe rather than being off by themselves most of the time, loads of fans complained.

 

[craigdbfan]

Lets just say Disney isn't ****ing around.

 

[Dark Raven]

Lets just say Disney isn't ****ing around.

But Fox are.

 

[starscream22]

X-Men are pretty connected now.

Just look at the past and upcoming year. Uncanny Avengers, Black Vortex, AXIS, A+X, Spider-Man and The X-Men etc. The X-Men had over a dozen books on top of it this year. Plus were in every crossover. They are way more relevant in the Marvel comic world as a whole these days. Marvel has done that purposely by crossing them over more and making a team of Avengers and X-Men. They even have Kitty Pryde dating Starlord at the moment so she shows up in GOTG and Legendary Starlord. When Wolverine died that just branched off a slew of more Wolverine books to make money off of.

Can't really see how they are irrelevant in any way. AvsX was actually the beginning, that started Uncanny Avengers and then lead to their current crossover AXIS. So that story line alone has been going on for 3 years now, and UA looks to reboot next month.

The Marvel big guns in comics are still Spidey, X-Men and Avengers. Not much has changed in popularity with the exception of Guardians and Deadpool now being big sellers as well... and F4 taking a nose dive for the past 5 years.

But those are okay since Fox can't copy those arcs or make those crossovers come to life in their movies w/o infringing on something.

Putting the X-men cast in new books and calling it "Uncanny Avengers" is a great strategy. This way Marvel can add new characters and cool story lines that include the X-men while keeping the rights to them under Marvel. What you're not going to see much of in the future are huge solo X-men arcs that introduce new characters with great potential under the X-men name.

 

[HAMMER]

Just look at the past and upcoming year. Uncanny Avengers, Black Vortex, AXIS, A+X, Spider-Man and The X-Men etc. The X-Men had over a dozen books on top of it this year. Plus were in every crossover. They are way more relevant in the Marvel comic world as a whole these days. Marvel has done that purposely by crossing them over more and making a team of Avengers and X-Men. They even have Kitty Pryde dating Starlord at the moment so she shows up in GOTG and Legendary Starlord. When Wolverine died that just branched off a slew of more Wolverine books to make money off of.

Look at your post. Notice something in common with all of those books? They're breaking up the X-Men and putting them with Spidey, Avengers, Guardians, etc? Not the other way around. Marvel's world is movies and merchandising, the comics are just part of that funnel now. No place for the foX-Men in that picture.

 

[def28]

But those are okay since Fox can't copy those arcs or make those crossovers come to life in their movies w/o infringing on something.

Putting the X-men cast in new books and calling it "Uncanny Avengers" is a great strategy. This way Marvel can add new characters and cool story lines that include the X-men while keeping the rights to them under Marvel. What you're not going to see much of in the future are huge solo X-men arcs that introduce new characters with great potential under the X-men name.

Oh I agree. And I expect to see that more.

With new mutants thing is that AvsX and Uncanny X-Mens plot revolved around new mutants being discovered and recruited. So Bendis created quite alot of characters in the past year or two and a few like Eva Bell are in focus. No doubt that could be cut off in the future. But right now Uncanny X-Men features alot of new Mutants.

Look at your post. Notice something in common with all of those books? They're breaking up the X-Men and putting them with Spidey, Avengers, Guardians, etc? Not the other way around. Marvel's world is movies and merchandising, the comics are just part of that funnel now. No place for the foX-Men in that picture.

That's not the case though. I was talking about how they are relevant in the Marvel comic universe as a whole with those examples. I also said in my post that the X-Men have over a dozen books on top of it. Meaning even with the Avengers and GOTG crossovers aside they still have over 12 solo books. Which do feature SHIELD, Avengers, GOTG and Spidey appearances at times but ultimately are strictly X-Men focused. This year the X books were...

Uncanny X-Men, X-Force, X-Factor, Amazing X-Men, All New X-Men, X-Men, Cyclops, Storm, Nightcralwer, Magneto, Wolverine, Savage Wolverine as well as Wolverine And The X-Men. That's 13 X-Men only books not including the multiple Deadpool books, Uncanny Avegners or other mash ups. They also had Battle Of The Atom, which was a confined X event.

The problem is they actually have too many X books right now. The most in quite some time. They need to bring down that number, and they will with the ones who are now selling low. I don't expect them to release many more solo books like Storm or Nightcrwler due to again low sells, but Marvel comics are still pushing X-Men heavily cause when you add it all up they make ****loads of sales for them, and are in demand with fans.

They are still in the business of selling comics, and losing millions of sales every year is not gonna spite Fox much in any way. Maybe by not giving them more material, but with X-Men there are hundreds of already present storylines and characters they can still come up with their own as long as they have the rights. Ultimately it hurts Marvel comics, their comic readers and comic retailers much more. Why would they want to give DC comics the upperhand? The point is too sell. If they want to hurt Fox with X-Men then they will not allow new characters to be created and will not support their films with movie merch or other forms of tie ins. So you can cut down the titles, change origins and stop new characters but the X-Men are definitely not replaceable in any way right now for Marvel comics, and this should be obvious by the number of titles and total sales collected. Marvel has been pumping out more X-Men books not less for a reason, it makes them money and people read them.

With F4 it's a completely different issue. First because they actually have a chance at getting the film rights back, X-Men is locked in at Fox so they are in different positions. And second because they don't currently make much of anything on the F4 comics. As it's only one book that can barely stay (if that) in the top 100. Even then it's not so much about the F4 book being canceled, Marvel comics are lucky to make it to issue 50. It's more about how long Marvel will hold off of it getting relaunched. Heck, if F4 gets relaunched within a year or two then all of this worked in Marvels favor for people actually hyping up their cancelation as being forever. Which in comics, nothing is.

 

[Darkraid]

Is there a way Marvel can get their rights back?