The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 8

[Art Freak]

I hope all these rumors arent true.

Trank made a good movie with Chronicle and he was on a lot of people's "Director's to Watch" lists. Mine included. If this is all true I wonder what the hell happened with this guy. Did the hype go to his head or what?

If this is true he'd probably be regulated to TV unless MBJ makes it big and is able to use his clout to rehire this guy

Check out the Troy Duffy doc OVERNIGHT. Hollywood can build/accelerate an ego. And Duffy's debut wasn't even a box office success like CHRONICLE! (Just a good movie, unlike CHRONICLE.)

 

[MadVillainy]

Ive seen it. Don't really see what it has to do with Trank and what happened to him. Yeah Duffy went over the edge, but there is no evidence say that it was ego that got Trank.

I mean that's one possibility that happened to Trank. But I really wanna know the whole story

 

[Art Freak]

Just seems like a lot of parallels for a guy with a massive ego with one film under his belt.

 

[Serpico Jones]

I honestly don't think Fox ever really bought into his vision for the movie and they were probably pressuring him to do things he didn't want to do which caused him to start using coke and pills. Or he was a one hit wonder that either doesn't have the ability or experience to do a movie of this scale and was overwhelmed and started getting coked up. Or he just likes his coke and pills.

 

[Flint Marko]

He has one solid movie under his belt, is given the reigns to a big franchise property with a massive deadline, and caves under the pressure after seemingly butting heads with the studio. Seems pretty understandable to me.
I'm more inclined to blame Fox for this debacle, but I would also love to hear the full story once the dust has settled.

 

[Serpico Jones]

He has one solid movie under his belt, is given the reigns to a big franchise property with a massive deadline, and caves under the pressure after seemingly butting heads with the studio. Seems pretty understandable to me.
I'm more inclined to blame Fox for this debacle, but I would also love to hear the full story once the dust has settled.

Don't forget the report about him almost getting fired a month before filming started. I believe the report was from Bleeding Cool.

 

[Flint Marko]

Don't forget the report about him almost getting fired a month before filming started. I believe the report was from Bleeding Cool.

Whoa now, I never heard that. Did this article say why he was in the hot seat?
Also, in my research, I stumbled across an article with Mark Millar talking about how there were some "jaw-dropping" things in the FF movie. That man should get an award for his ability to talk out of his ass.

 

[wobbly]

If the rumours are true I suspect they won't reshoot much of anything, but more a case of Trank shut out now with someone else finishing the post production and editing. Still a cluster#### for Fox.

And if true then Trank's future career is definitely on shakey ground. Sober up and be professional man. I know from experience being under the influence while working can easily end up being a disaster, leaving you and those you let down feeling utterly awful. An otherwise good capable person can become a huge pain in the butt bellend real fast if they go down that route. I've been there I'm sad to admit, can only hope to never to find myself there again.

 

[TeeKay]

I don't know how much of a difference Trank being fired will make to this movie though. He was always just a puppet of Fox. The only thing is that Fox won't be able to talk about the movie in a positive light about how Trank made this "great" movie called Chronicle and they wanted to do something similar here, because "it's Josh"

Tangled in....

Strings. But in all seriousness, this whole thing just became worse and kinda sad for Trank if what I'm reading is correct. Fox right now will soon find themselves in the position Sony is with Spiderman with the way theyre handling the FF.

 

[Orba]

Its certainly interesting now that the rumours we have been talking about for months seem to be heading for the film media. Fox has to have been trying to keep this quiet for a while with their radio silence "strategy". If things are coming to a head I wonder what will happen now, what Fox's public response will be.

 

[Spiderine]

With all these problems beginning to finally surface, maybe Disney saw the many cracks in the armor and will just wait this thing out. If its this much of a disaster Fox may have no choice but to just salvage their dignity and deal. I see no reason for Disney to do anything but sit back and wait for FF to just fall in their laps.

 

[Orba]

I think the big thing could be what the film sites do next. So far it looks like Latino Review, Hitflix and Bassass Digest are all circling the production, they are hearing worrying rumours but so far haven't gone further than vague tweets and comments. If one of them was to decide to try to be the first to give "true story" of what is going on then things could explode very quickly. And all three sites are ones that the more mainstream media keep an eye on.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't see Trank working on Star Wars after this. If he couldn't handle this kind of production which wasn't even on a grand scale, how is he ever going to handle Star Wars, which would be more like a true FF and not his low budget Chronicle he's previously made? The pressure would get to him immensely and he'd be fired sooner or later, costing Disney money.

 

[Orba]

It can't help Kinberg either, he was the one that spoke up for Trank and got him the Star Wars job. He was also expected to write it.

 

[Dark Raven]

How would Kinberg react now since he went to bat for Trank but may have been very wrong about his professionalism? Does he defend him or just kick him to the curb?

 

[Zarex]

So if the rumors are true that Trank is gone, what's FOX's next move?

1) Bring in somebody new and try to polish up this turd in time for an August release?

or

2) Cut their losses and try to get something out of Marvel before the reversion date?

The financially prudent solution is obviously #2, so hopefully egos will be put aside and FOX will do what's in the best interests of their shareholders. The fact that there's a decent chance both the FF and Spidey could be in the MCU over the next few years is wonderful.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

He has one solid movie under his belt, is given the reigns to a big franchise property with a massive deadline, and caves under the pressure after seemingly butting heads with the studio. Seems pretty understandable to me.
I'm more inclined to blame Fox for this debacle, but I would also love to hear the full story once the dust has settled.

This is how I feel. I liked Chronicle, but FF isn't Chronicle. If the "grounded, gritty" idea was Trank's, Fox should have given the film to someone else. Trank couldn't hurt the film with a poor vision of the FF if Fox didn't put him in that position.

I don't know who did what and when, but Fox gave Trank a film he probably never should have done . . . and when they had doubts, they didn't just take him off it and look for someone else (because that would have screwed up their deadline). They kept him on, but approached other directors behind his back. That story leaked and Trank started production under a cloud working for a studio that wasn't only providing minimal support but stabbing him in the back.

And everybody knew it. That had to really suck.

Trank may have been largely responsible for the misdirection this film took, but Fox is ultimately the one calling the shots.

While I don't know the exact details, I feel like Trank is a victim of Fox's gross mismanagement even if he may have made some poor choices himself.

 

[Orba]

I certainly think that Fox are mostly to blame for this situation, it certainly can't have been a great working environment for Trank. But at the same time I can't help but think that a situation like that is when professionalism matters. Being able to keep going in a despite a bad situation with a crappy working environment is the kind of thing that can help someone's reputation, having a hissy fit, trashing houses and going on a bender doesn't.

 

[Dark Raven]

So if the rumors are true that Trank is gone, what's FOX's next move?

1) Bring in somebody new and try to polish up this turd in time for an August release?

or

2) Cut their losses and try to get something out of Marvel before the reversion date?

The financially prudent solution is obviously #2, so hopefully egos will be put aside and FOX will do what's in the best interests of their shareholders. The fact that there's a decent chance both the FF and Spidey could be in the MCU over the next few years is wonderful.

Would've been great if there were a higher up like Sony Japan is for Sony Pictures and ordering the studio to make the deal with Marvel. Unfortunately here, Fox is only a movie studio whereas Sony is into other things as well, so whoever is in charge of Fox studios is probably where the buck stops.

This is how I feel. I liked Chronicle, but FF isn't Chronicle. If the "grounded, gritty" idea was Trank's, Fox should have given the film to someone else. Trank couldn't hurt the film with a poor vision of the FF if Fox didn't put him in that position.

I don't know who did what and when, but Fox gave Trank a film he probably never should have done . . . and when they had doubts, they didn't just take him off it and look for someone else (because that would have screwed up their deadline). They kept him on, but approached other directors behind his back. That story leaked and Trank started production under a cloud working for a studio that wasn't only providing minimal support but stabbing him in the back.

And everybody knew it. That had to really suck.

Trank may have been largely responsible for the misdirection this film took, but Fox is ultimately the one calling the shots.

While I don't know the exact details, I feel like Trank is a victim of Fox's gross mismanagement even if he may have made some poor choices himself.

That could've been what led to Trank getting high on set. He knew he was screwed whatever happened and that Fox didn't want him but he was now stuck working on this crappy picture while everyone was pretending it was going to be a proper movie.

Would be great to hear Trank's side of the story one day when he's able to talk about it. I'm sure he would say how terrible an experience this was and how the whole thing seemed completely futile with no point in even turning up on set since it was all a charade anyway.

I certainly think that Fox are mostly to blame for this situation, it certainly can't have been a great working environment for Trank. But at the same time I can't help but think that a situation like that is when professionalism matters. Being able to keep going in a despite a bad situation with a crappy working environment is the kind of thing that can help someone's reputation, having a hissy fit, trashing houses and going on a bender doesn't.

Trank is a young, inexperienced director and it shows, especially in the way he was interacting with fans in an unprofessional way on social media like Twitter. He didn't keep a professional distance but responded to fans as if he were just another poster on a message board responding to someone who disagreed with him.

 

[Orba]

How would Kinberg react now since he went to bat for Trank but may have been very wrong about his professionalism? Does he defend him or just kick him to the curb?

It will probably depend on just how bad the Trank situation, Kinberg is in a good position, he is tied to both the X-Men and Star Wars franchise both franchises that many would love to be involved in (especially the new Star Wars films). If the Trank ship is holed and sinking no matter what I can't see Kinberg willing to let Trank drag him down too. Ultimately Trank is a director with just one film to his name (and who knows if he will have a second now) I just don't see him being worth it. Even if Kinberg likes Trank I would imagine that a lot of others will be recommending Kinberg to cut him loose.

 

[Orba]

I was about to say that as soon as we start seeing people distancing themselves from the production we know that the end is coming but does anyone remember the last time Kinberg mentioned anything about this production?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I was about to say that as soon as we start seeing people distancing themselves from the production we know that the end is coming but does anyone remember the last time Kinberg mentioned anything about this production?

I think the last time was when someone cornered him at NYCC and asked why FF wasn't there and he said it was because they were waiting until they had something worth showing.

But other than that, he's said next to nothing since probably SDCC.

 

[Surfer]

So if the rumors are true that Trank is gone, what's FOX's next move?

1) Bring in somebody new and try to polish up this turd in time for an August release?

or

2) Cut their losses and try to get something out of Marvel before the reversion date?

The financially prudent solution is obviously #2, so hopefully egos will be put aside and FOX will do what's in the best interests of their shareholders. The fact that there's a decent chance both the FF and Spidey could be in the MCU over the next few years is wonderful.

I couldn't have said this better if I wanted to it is exactly where I feel things stand and where I hope they are headed.

Surfer

 

[Surfer]

If the Fantastic Four and Spider-man return to Marvel in 2015, I will never ask for another Christmas present ever again. Promise.

Surfer

 

[Doctor Jones]

This is just so damn bizarre. It's so much easier to believe these seemingly unbelievable things because we know next to nothing about this movie. This production is so atypical it's not giving us anything to really weigh against each other and properly analyze to weed out the conjecture from possible fact. Right now it's fair game. Fox and nobody else has given us any indication of the positives.

So people being negative is certainly warranted. There isn't even a goddamn logo. We're heading into the new year and if we don't get anything soon after that, it's only mounting more negative attention to this thing. It seems like Fox is in complete damage control.