The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 9

[Dark Raven]

No, that was the new video of Mark Millar I was talking about in a previous post. Dark Raven was mentioning another video from earlier where either Mark Millar or Mathew Vaughn had said something possibly contradictory to the video you just now posted. I believe it was the Matthew Vaughn video and that there was just a confusion, but not entirely sure.

Surfer

You are wrong. See my post above.

 

[Surfer]

That was definitely not Vaughn I was thinking of, and I even specificially said I was not confusing them in my previous post. I gave very particular details about Millar's video with his eye movements and micro expressions, and even had a conversation about that with Flink Marko about how if you look unconsciously to the right, you're engaging the creative part of your brain which is usually an indicator that you're lying or BS-ing, and not recalling a specific memory where, in that case, you'd look unconsciously to the left.

It's this video here:

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And while he admits he has only seen bits of it and not the whole movie, he does say what he's seen is "good", which is what I remembered he had said in addition to Vaughn saying that as well. And note that when he does say "it's good" or makes any kind of praise about the film, he continually looks to his right.

Okay, thanks for the video. I meant no offense, I just was skimming and misread your previous post. I will try to be more careful in the future. Sorry about that.

Surfer

 

[Dark Raven]

Okay, thanks for the video. I meant no offense, I just was skimming and misread your previous post. I will try to be more careful in the future. Sorry about that.

Surfer

No worries.

 

[Orba]

Millar was only brought on to Shepard the FMCU. And naturally, he was out the door when Fox learned they couldn't do a FMCU. And it was then that Kinberg was placed on FF, and the budget slashed.

Yeah but when Kinberg was brought on by Fox it was also supposed to be as a shepard for the FMCU.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

This is primarily rumor and speculation, but it seemed there were issues with Millar and Singer working together. Kinberg seems to get along better with Singer (meaning he probably gives him whatever he wants)

 

[Eddie]

This is primarily rumor and speculation, but it seemed there were issues with Millar and Singer working together. Kinberg seems to get along better with Singer (meaning he probly gives him whatever he wants)

Millar was announced as some sort of Fox Marvel Universe mastermind only for Singer to reveal that Millar had nothing to do with Days of Future Past, which was in the works at the time. They met for lunch and played nice afterwords, but Singer basically revealed that the Millar hire was something of a sham.

 

[Urich Leeds]

Millar was announced as some sort of Fox Marvel Universe mastermind only for Singer to reveal that Millar had nothing to do with Days of Future Past, which was in the works at the time. They met for lunch and played nice afterwords, but Singer basically revealed that the Millar hire was something of a sham.

Yeah, pretty much.

 

[starscream22]

This is primarily rumor and speculation, but it seemed there were issues with Millar and Singer working together. Kinberg seems to get along better with Singer (meaning he probly gives him whatever he wants)

Oh yeah, you could definitely cut the tension with a knife:

“I’ve not spoken to Mark Millar at all. He’s not involved. I don’t know what his role is about. All I know is that I have my own specific beliefs about how to take this universe forward. I started with the first X-Men, then First Class and now I am combining them and I think it could go further than that and I have some ideas about that, so perhaps he should chat to me at some point.”

He did clean it up a little after the fact but the damage was clearly done.

“I think he’s working with Fox to look at some other stuff. I guess they’re trying to figure stuff out. I have my own thoughts about stuff like that. X-Men: First Class is part of that, this will be part of that but we’ll see. But perhaps he and I will discuss that in the future. I’m just really focused on this movie at the moment.”

Since then, Mark Millar's involvement as "Creative Consultant" has never been the same. And since it was hard taking him seriously back then why pay it him any attention now...?

 

[Dark Raven]

Oh yeah, you could definitely cut the tension with a knife:



He did clean it up a little after the fact but the damage was clearly done.



Since then, Mark Millar's involvement as "Creative Consultant" has never been the same. And since it was hard taking him seriously back then why pay it him any attention now...?

Mark Millar is Creative Consultant in Name Only for Fantastic Four in Name Only.

 

[Endeavor]

It's this video here:
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Thank you for finding that.
One more nail in the coffin for this crap, as far as I'm concerned.

Not that anything Millar has said in the last few years has been worth a damn anyway.

 

[RAE072]

From the positive thread

https://***********/GBRIELGRY/status/557957108071956480

This guy is legit, btw. He leaked Chappie and Terminator Genisys trailer screens a couple months before they hit.

What a shock, the trailer looks decent and we're getting a gritty take with SOME fantastic elements.

Nothing we didn't know previously.

 

[Miken Ayers]

Well that is my point from previously. I wonder how much of the General Audience see's the Marvel Logo and thinks they are going to go watch a Marvel Studio's related movie with it's interconnectivity, instead of either a Foxverse or Sonyverse movie with no connectivity. Also, are some people going to watch things like Spider-man and X-Men thinking it will somehow connect to the Marvel Studios movies at a later date. My point is while it may be a small percentage of people that are misguided, if I was asked is the Marvel logo helping Fox and Sony put extra butts in seats at the theater, sometimes even under false pretenses? I would have to say it is.

Surfer

This is exactly why I think Marvel's distancing themselves from X-Men and Fantastic Four. Fox and Sony aren't lying and saying they're making Marvel studios films, but they're not pointing that out either. Look at the X-Men trailer thrown into Amazing Spider-Man 2. No one can't tell me that the intent to mislead casual viewers and tease a crossover that can't happen was not there.

We know the official reason as to why the trailer was shoved in there, but it was mutually beneficial for Fox and Sony by unofficially copying what Marvel does.

So if X-Men and FF are to make money, Marvel's seeing to it that it won't be by hanging on to the coat tails of their success.

 

[Doctor Jones]

this one?
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Sounds like he's really trying to justify the direction of Trank, but it's not working.

 

[Farren]

Oh yeah, you could definitely cut the tension with a knife:

“I’ve not spoken to Mark Millar at all. He’s not involved. I don’t know what his role is about. All I know is that I have my own specific beliefs about how to take this universe forward. I started with the first X-Men, then First Class and now I am combining them and I think it could go further than that and I have some ideas about that, so perhaps he should chat to me at some point.”
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He did clean it up a little after the fact but the damage was clearly done.

“I think he’s working with Fox to look at some other stuff. I guess they’re trying to figure stuff out. I have my own thoughts about stuff like that. X-Men: First Class is part of that, this will be part of that but we’ll see. But perhaps he and I will discuss that in the future. I’m just really focused on this movie at the moment.”
​

Since then, Mark Millar's involvement as "Creative Consultant" has never been the same. And since it was hard taking him seriously back then why pay it him any attention now...?

That sounds pretty bad (and not surprising coming from Singer -- he's a disasterous public speaker), but I am inclined to believe Singer when he said that he hadn't talked to Millar. I mean, why would he lie and say he didn't, especially if he's going to to go on to say something that's bad for PR anyway? I think Fox either hired Millar then changed their mind about their plans for reasons that had nothing to do with Millar's performance, or that it really was a "sham" from the start.

 

[Nokio]

So Miller has a connection of sorts with Fox. I can't take this guy seriously. I would like to hear from a non bias source.

 

[Flint Marko]

Mark Millar is Creative Consultant in Name Only for Fantastic Four in Name Only.

Lol.

So Miller has a connection of sorts with Fox. I can't take this guy seriously. I would like to hear from a non bias source.

A while back he said that Fox and Marvel were on even playing ground in terms of who was making the better movies, which is just outright ridiculous. His head is so far in the ground it's not worth listening to him at this point.

 

[Urich Leeds]

Mark Millar is Creative Consultant in Name Only for Fantastic Four in Name Only.

You hit it right on the head.

 

[Human Torch]

The thing that disheartens me the most as an FF fan, is just how much prestige they have lost in recent years. I mean,this was Marvel's top tier title. "The world's greatest comic magazine." The history with Lee & Kirby braking ground on an entire new universe that was yet to emerge. The characters that were given birth in the book.

When I was a kid (and I'm guessing several here are old enough to remember) The Thing was a Flagship character. Yes,little Johnny.You know how people think of Iron Man today? That was Aunt Petunia's blue-eyed nephew,back in the day. He was probably 3rd after Spidey & Hulk in popularity. (Which I'm also disappointed how far down the list Hulk has fallen,but that's another subject entirely) Thing was so beloved, he got his own book: Marvel Two in One that paired him up with other Marvel heroes. Nowadays...do kids even know who the Thing is? Do they know anything about the FF? We had the old "Ring, ring do your Thing" cartoon.Yeah,it had nothing whatsoever to do with the FF as we know them,but it just goes to show how much kids loved the character,that he got his own starring cartoon.

After this whole movie fiasco,I'm just feeling depressed that the FF are never going to get back to that status that they deserve. Hopefully Marvel will bring them home in my lifetime.

 

[Joelgarza]

Right now is the Avengers/Guardians time to shine, times change and honestly I could even see spiderman loosing mainstream popularity due to poor movies and all the new heroes needing room to grow. This is sad and horrible but it's just how life is....
Times change and heroes in the marvel universe circulate mainstream popularity.(unlike DCs timeless trio)

 

[Zarex]

The thing that disheartens me the most as an FF fan, is just how much prestige they have lost in recent years. I mean,this was Marvel's top tier title. "The world's greatest comic magazine." The history with Lee & Kirby braking ground on an entire new universe that was yet to emerge. The characters that were given birth in the book.

When I was a kid (and I'm guessing several here are old enough to remember) The Thing was a Flagship character. Yes,little Johnny.You know how people think of Iron Man today? That was Aunt Petunia's blue-eyed nephew,back in the day. He was probably 3rd after Spidey & Hulk in popularity. (Which I'm also disappointed how far down the list Hulk has fallen,but that's another subject entirely) Thing was so beloved, he got his own book: Marvel Two in One that paired him up with other Marvel heroes. Nowadays...do kids even know who the Thing is? Do they know anything about the FF? We had the old "Ring, ring do your Thing" cartoon.Yeah,it had nothing whatsoever to do with the FF as we know them,but it just goes to show how much kids loved the character,that he got his own starring cartoon.

After this whole movie fiasco,I'm just feeling depressed that the FF are never going to get back to that status that they deserve. Hopefully Marvel will bring them home in my lifetime.

People talk about Doom and Galactus, but I agree. Not having Benjamin Grimm in the MCU is my biggest disappointment from FFINO. No throw downs with the Hulk. No floating superhero card games. And his personality would fit in perfectly in the world Feige and company have created. What a waste.

Though he hasn't had a solo film in a while, I would still put Hulk in my top five Marvel characters alongside Spidey, Iron Man, Cap and Thor.

 

[Nokio]

all the new heroes needing room to grow.

Yeah like NOVA!!!

 

[RichardRider]

Yeah like NOVA!!!

Need Nova.

 

[Urich Leeds]

Need Nova.

#NovaNow

 

[Eddie]

It's high time that Dick Rider joins the MCU. The MCU NEEDS Dick Rider. Shame on James Gunn for his seeming hatred of Dick Rider.

 

[Eddie]

Posted in the Reborn thread, but Latveria might be in the film, possibly added via reshoots. Check it out over there and let us know if you have additional info.