The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 9

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For the record, I started a 'Ban FFINO' post on my Facebook page and it has been very receptive...a ton of friends, people I work with, etc said they will support it....I know we are a very microscopic group, but its something to take a stand for to eventually see the F4 return to Marvel and be done justice...
 
With the right vision it is not impossible to make a broad X-Verse work. Honestly, I doubt Singer/Vaughn have that vision, but it is not impossible
I feel like a reboot will be necessary sooner or later with the X-Men films. Patrick Stewart and Ian Mckellan aren't returning and eventually Hugh Jackman is going to be way too old. A recast may feel a bit odd and despite DOFP "fixing things up," the continuity errors still exist.
 
Marvel has spoken on this.

http://brevoortformspring.tumblr.co...ng-for-the-ff-movie-to-tank-so-fox-will#notes

Some of his earlier posts tonight state that he feels that the Fantastic Four aren't part of the zeitgeist, sales aren't where they should be, particularly with digital copies and collected editions and the property needs a break until it can be popular again. This man is the senior VP of publishing for Marvel.

Fact is, Marvel doesn't want the FF back that much since they don't find it to resonate with audiences right now as much as it used to. Right now Cosmic Marvel is focusing on Guardians and Inhumans which are closer to something like Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica and Star Trek where it's a full space opera.

Fantastic Four is a much harder sell but it might sell well considering that Gravity and Interstellar were successful. The problem is that the FF are Gravity and Intersteller crossed with Flash Gordon, Dune and 2001 and right now, that kind of sci-fi isn't what's popular. FF is too grounded for the space opera crowd and too cosmic for the fans of traditional superheroes.

And any hope that Gravity and Interstellar would make a series about Earth-based sci-fi cool again may have just been crushed with Ted Cruz announced to be the head of the budget committee for NASA and given that he wants to abolish the IRS entirely, it's likely that he'll either work to shut down the space program or at least run it into the ground out of spite. The means that people probably won't want to bother with a movie about astronauts with superpowers.

Fox isn't making this because they think it'll sell. They're making it because their contract was almost up. The only hope that Fox has for this is the international box office since China, Russia and the EU countries are still interested in space.
 
And if Marvel did get the FF back, they'd probably just add Annihilus to Guardians 2, make Black Panther square off against Doctor Doom and then add Galactus to Infinity War.
 
And if Marvel did get the FF back, they'd probably just add Annihilus to Guardians 2, make Black Panther square off against Doctor Doom and then add Galactus to Infinity War.


thanks for putting that link... i didn't know he answered questions there, so thoroughly and actually answering them. I been wrapped up browsing thru it all, really cool thing to check out.

but regardless of what he said, I totally disagree. I think at this point, if FF came back, we'd see them Phase 4. I think for sure. He's totally speaking on the comics. And even in the comics, they aren't awful sellers, they really are not. It's their classic Marvel iconic status that makes it talked about like an underperformer. cuz it kind of is, they really should be selling more.

Aside from that, a movie of Fantastic Four, done by Marvel Studios, and done right...would have the potential to be huge. and actually maybe even kickstart the comic somehow. But it's really a different thing. FF done properly is big budget, family oriented, high adventure films, where the tone and the humor of Marvel Studios fits absolutely perfectly. And villains of the FF, would get their best sides shown introduced as villains of the FF. I could see things like Annihilus and others done just as fine in a GOTG movie, and so there'd be some of that, i agree.

But I think Marvel would really recognize and have the most chance to realize the potential of the property. And they would not wait around, something like FF would even be treated as a likely lynchpin in their plans for Phase 4. It has that kind of potential.

Marvel FF movies could involve things like opening up to them in the Savage Land, being chased by dinosaurs...traveling dimensions, space and time, ending up in some alternate ancient South America or Egypt apocalyptic doom scenario, or an alternate modern day, with different versions of all the MCU heroes...
or really pulp fiction type weird science alien invasions, with shapeshifters and sinister plots and double crosses. all the colorful, fantastical, magical, monstrous, and bigger than life glory of the MCU, all of it makes sense with them. they would be just like they are in the comics, like this glue for the whole universe. if MCU set them up... that is their glue for the next decade of films. things could come and go, but there's the FF.

sometimes when i think about it, I just wonder... how much money is Fox asking for? cuz FF would really be worth a lot for Disney to get back.

family, family, family. basically.

also, just as example of how comic sales do not necessarily reflect a property's cinematic value... look at Iron Man. last year, he didn't even have a book running for a bunch of months. Gillen's run had ended. story was over, and even besides that, sales were often less than the FF. Marvel just gave Gillen the space to do what he wanted to for quite a while actually. and obviously we wouldn't say... Iron Man movies don't connect with people.
 
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Yeah, I think it's Disney wanting F4 more than Marvel but I think Marvel wants some of the characters related to F4 more than anything else. Dr. Doom, Galactus, Annihilus, and Blastaar are just a few that I know Marvel would want to use because of their cosmic stuff. Doom is Doom so he would be at the top of the list. Fox hasn't done a F4 movie right yet and this new one has disaster written all over so why continue to pour millions into it when you barely break even?
 
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Marvel has spoken on this.

http://brevoortformspring.tumblr.co...ng-for-the-ff-movie-to-tank-so-fox-will#notes

Some of his earlier posts tonight state that he feels that the Fantastic Four aren't part of the zeitgeist, sales aren't where they should be, particularly with digital copies and collected editions and the property needs a break until it can be popular again. This man is the senior VP of publishing for Marvel.

Fact is, Marvel doesn't want the FF back that much since they don't find it to resonate with audiences right now as much as it used to. Right now Cosmic Marvel is focusing on Guardians and Inhumans which are closer to something like Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica and Star Trek where it's a full space opera.

Fantastic Four is a much harder sell but it might sell well considering that Gravity and Interstellar were successful. The problem is that the FF are Gravity and Intersteller crossed with Flash Gordon, Dune and 2001 and right now, that kind of sci-fi isn't what's popular. FF is too grounded for the space opera crowd and too cosmic for the fans of traditional superheroes.

And any hope that Gravity and Interstellar would make a series about Earth-based sci-fi cool again may have just been crushed with Ted Cruz announced to be the head of the budget committee for NASA and given that he wants to abolish the IRS entirely, it's likely that he'll either work to shut down the space program or at least run it into the ground out of spite. The means that people probably won't want to bother with a movie about astronauts with superpowers.

Fox isn't making this because they think it'll sell. They're making it because their contract was almost up. The only hope that Fox has for this is the international box office since China, Russia and the EU countries are still interested in space.


You make it sound like Marvel would have trouble making a Fantastic Four movie for the General Audience, but in the mean time they are putting out lesser known titles like Guardians of the Galaxy (which many said would flop) and Ant-man (which some are saying will flop, but I don't think it will). So, Marvel / Disney I feel is pretty confident with their characters and they know if done correctly they can appeal to most everyone. So, the problem is not that a Fantastic Four movie doesn't appeal to general audiences it is simply that "Fox" does not understand how to make the Fantastic Four movie correctly. I agree though with what one of the other posters said, some of the other characters that fall within the Fantastic Four universe of rights, Marvel / Disney might find more important for fitting in to their immediate plans within the MCU then the first family themselves. Such as Silver Surfer & Galactus for Infinity War part I & 2. Even if Marvel gets the rights back I really wouldn't see them doing a Fantastic Four movie until Phase 4.

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If Marvel ever made a Secret Wars film then I imagine they would really want Galactus and Dr. Doom. That would be epic.

If they did get the film rights back then eventually, somewhere down the line, they would make a FF movie.
 
but regardless of what he said, I totally disagree. I think at this point, if FF came back, we'd see them Phase 4. I think for sure. He's totally speaking on the comics. And even in the comics, they aren't awful sellers, they really are not. It's their classic Marvel iconic status that makes it talked about like an underperformer. cuz it kind of is, they really should be selling more.

If you sell below 25k, are not even on issue 15 and on your second MArvel Now relaunch then your in trouble. Those are not satisfying sales. If Marvel want's to push you they give you a quick relaunch. Like what happened when Fractions run ended. Now they try something else....
 
Somewhere down the line is correct. It wouldn't be in Phase 4 though. Fox would spend another 8 years holding on to the rights. We'd get our FF movie in Phase 5 or 6. Marvel already has Ghost Rider and Thunderbolts to put on the big screen.

And the Savage Land is part of the X-Men rights. If you're to see the FF fight dinosaurs, it would be in Dinosaur World which Marvel does own the rights to. Right now, the Savage Land is over at Fox where the FF also are.
 
And the Savage Land is part of the X-Men rights. If you're to see the FF fight dinosaurs, it would be in Dinosaur World which Marvel does own the rights to. Right now, the Savage Land is over at Fox where the FF also are.

Are you speculating here or do you have additional info? I'm almost certain that Ka-Zar and Zabu are with Marvel. As we've seen, the comic book where a character is introduced doesn't determine the cinematic rights.
 
Are you speculating here or do you have additional info? I'm almost certain that Ka-Zar and Zabu are with Marvel. As we've seen, the comic book where a character is introduced doesn't determine the cinematic rights.

Actually, the Savage land debuted in the early 40s with Ka-Zar. The issue is that the Savage Land is mostly associated with the X-Men sicne that's whre it's appeared the most. There's a possibility that it's rights lie with those of the Eternals or they're somehow shared but I don't see how the X-Men can have had the most involvement with the SL in the comics and it's the only way I can see Sauron, Garokk and Zaladane be used.
 
Marvel has Ka-Zar:

In April 2010, rumors circulated that Marvel was looking to create $20–40 million movies based on properties such as Doctor Strange, Ka-Zar, Luke Cage, Dazzler, and Power Pack.[51] Kevin Feige responded by saying, while budgets are generally never discussed early in development, Marvel was considering films for all characters mentioned in the rumor, except Dazzler, whose rights were at Fox
 
People are actually buying this company line that the FF is an afterthought to Marvel? When you look at their style of films in the past few years? Wow... from a business point, I would agree that it's not necessary to put out a film if they had to pay an arm and a leg for it. But the idea that they wouldn't be green lighting FF characters in PIV or even PIII if they had the rights today is comical. I'm talking about FF movies. We wouldn't be getting Inhumans or Captain Marvel if they had FF. If you are convinced otherwise, I think you're delusional.
 
Dude, Ka-Zar can really work if they get the right people on it.
 
I would rather Marvel try to adapt Submariner than Ka-zar. At least implement him into the MCU. Unless the rights to him are still tied to Universal somehow.
 
Don't forget Marvel tried to cut a deal with Fox to extend the Daredevil rights if they could get the rights to some cosmic associated FF characters such as Galactus and Silver Surfer.
 
Sounds like trying to put a happy face on the heartbreak. You know Marvel would make the FF film in a heartbeat if they had the rights.
 
I think it depends how it would slot into their plans.

Marvel has release dates locked up for the next 5 years so I don't think they are expecting any movie right coming back too soon.
 
I think it depends how it would slot into their plans.

Marvel has release dates locked up for the next 5 years so I don't think they are expecting any movie right coming back too soon.

Spider-Man could be an exception depending on how the Sony/Marvel deal goes. I just feel bad for major FF fans right now.
 
Marvel would not have announced the slates that far ahead if there was a lot of room for flexibility. The hacks revealed that the deal pretty much fell through. There is always the possibility that they work something out last minute, but they have enough characters now to easily fill both Infinity War parts. Hell, it is overstuffed as it is.
 
Spider-Man could be an exception depending on how the Sony/Marvel deal goes. I just feel bad for major FF fans right now.

You're Spider-Man movie rankings... I approve. Finally someone with some sense on the Hype. :o
 
And if Marvel did get the FF back, they'd probably just add Annihilus to Guardians 2, make Black Panther square off against Doctor Doom and then add Galactus to Infinity War.

Considering Galactus is a Thano level threat on his own, he wouldn't be in Infinity War; he'd be the big bad of the next 3 phases.
 
And if Marvel did get the FF back, they'd probably just add Annihilus to Guardians 2, make Black Panther square off against Doctor Doom and then add Galactus to Infinity War.

If Marvel got the FF back they'd put it into development immediately. Inhumans was not a very big title for Marvel at all until they forced them onto their audience to prep for the MCU. As for the characters you listed, the Galactus one is the only one they'd seriously consider. Guardians 2 is already in development. James Gunn would not change the main plot of the film at this point. Black Panther is probably too far to make Doom the villain as well, and there's no chance they'd do that anyway. Doom will be a Fantastic Four villain first, or maybe a major character in an end of phase crossover event, whenever Marvel finally gets the rights.
 
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