The Official Cameron Monaghan As Jerome Valeska/(Possibly) The Joker

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  1. Darkness Falls

    Darkness Falls We Could Be Heroes.....

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    my god he was fantastic in the latest episode
     
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    Am I seeing **** or his hair very very dark green?
    :woot:

    I absolutely LOVE that first picture
     
  3. SkullDevil

    SkullDevil The White Portuguese

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    Yep! You can see it in the roots if you zoom in. :woot:

    It'll be really sad if we don't get a season 5, because this Joker's been terrific so far.
     
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    My god, Cameron was brilliant last night!

    Showed a lot of range as Jeremiah with as he went from mild-mannered to fearful, insane, then went to cold, calculating and arrogant! Plus, he did a great job as Jeremiah impersonating Jerome! This was his best performance on the show so far!

    Really want to see S5! Holding hope Fox will renew it, but if not, DC's streaming service, or Netflix will do!
     
  5. Darkness Falls

    Darkness Falls We Could Be Heroes.....

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    i loved the little subtle things he did like combing his hair while taunting gordon
    he's definitely got the vanity/arrogance
     
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    SkullDevil The White Portuguese

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    Better enjoy the rest of the scenes he'll have to the fullest because they're most likely the last we'll see of him.
     
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    re-sharing this from SkullDevil! This is amazing, a look at Jeremiah in the next two episodes.

    [YT]cd_O943QdJo[/YT]

    I definitely love what Cameron is doing for the next few episodes and this could definitely be some of his best work hands down, showing what makes Joker such a formidable threat! Plus, guess who has green hair!:
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  8. SkullDevil

    SkullDevil The White Portuguese

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    Here's a better quality pic:

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    The lighting definitely brings out the green there.
     
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    hellblazer103 Nasty Piece of Work

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    I hate to say it, but... This could potentially be a better Joker than even Ledger. He's easily the most bone-chilling live action version I've seen. How tf did the DCEU drop the ball so ****ing hard with Joker/SS?
     
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    SkullDevil The White Portuguese

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    It's too early to say, but I'm hopeful Cameron will deliver a fantastic Joker nonetheless.
     
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    hellblazer103 Nasty Piece of Work

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    Yes, hence why I said "potentially" :oldrazz:
     
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    I’m sure he’ll blow us away in the next two episodes!
     
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    hellblazer103 Nasty Piece of Work

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    I just HAD to make a fan video for this guy, lol.


    [YT]j5OLW8X7aVw[/YT]
     
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    Now that Cameron Monaghan's psychotic Jerome has been replaced by his twin brother, Jeremiah (also Monaghan, natch), Gotham's about to face a whole new madman - one who's more reserved and plotting than his unhinged twin.

    In "One Bad Day" - airing Thursday, May 10th - Jeremiah Valeska looks to detonate a series of powerful bombs all over the city. Surely, a huge destructive scheme befitting the Valeska name, but is Jeremiah a...saner version of the Joker? Stephens opened up about the choice to swap out the brothers. "Some of it was born out of the fact that we could never have the Joker-Joker character on the show," he revealed. "We wanted to try to develop a new character who could embody another element of the Joker persona. It felt like Jerome, as great as he was, had gone as far as we could go with him. So we spoke to Cameron [Monaghan] as well and discussed doing the character as a version that's just as insane as Jerome, but who controls it in a different way. And to do a quieter and scarier version of the lunatic. Someone who's cut a bit more from the Hannibal Lecter cloth rather than the chaotic anarchy cloth."

    "We also wanted to create someone who had a particular point of view regarding his attachment to Bruce," Stephens added. "You know the Joker always has that connection to Batman, like frenemies or brothers or two sides of the same coin, where they can't live without the other one. We wanted that to be a part of what was driving Jeremiah here. Jerome was his false brother and Bruce is the brother he should of had and the two of them will be bonded together in the way Batman and Joker will be bonded one day. This is what pushes is forward to the end of the season."

    So with this all being born out of the show not being able to portray the real Joker, we got confirmation that neither Valeska is the true Joker who will one day plague Batman. "Jeremiah is not the Joker," Stephens said. "The other characters are who they are. Mad Hatter, Scarecrow, etcetera. But no, he isn't the Joker. What we've always gone with is that Joker is somewhere out there, anonymous and unformed, in Gotham, and he's watching the actions of Jeremiah and Jerome and possibly even another one, on his way somewhere down the line, and he's adopting them as inspirations as the person he'll one day become."
    All this implies too that Batman, one day, will face Joker and realize that he reminds him of the Valeska twins from years before. "I guess that's true," Stephens laughed. "I'd never really considered that."

    http://m.ign.com/articles/2018/05/1...nd-and-eventually-ending-the-show-with-batman

    Bummer!
     
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    hellblazer103 Nasty Piece of Work

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    Oh god ****ing damn it, I was gonna watch the episode too but now I'm reconsidering. Either cast him as Joker or ****ing don't. Grow some ****ing balls already.

    What's the point of getting an actor and having him play two ****ing characters that look like Joker, act like Joker, obsess over Bruce like Joker, all this other ****... and have him NOT be Joker ? Why would anyone even want a different Joker if he doesn't even have the same relationship with Batman that Jeremiah appears to have with Bruce ? It's pointless. Just another trick to gain viewers, I guess... And I actually ****ing fell for it this time.
     
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    See, this is why I hate the freaking ideology concept. Because of s*** like this. Jeremiah is the Joker. Don't care what the producers say, he's Gotham's Joker and nothing's gonna change my mind about that.

    They better put this stupid idea down if they want the slightest chance to get another season. You're alleniating the few viewers you have left. Guess we should expect Jeremiah to die in the future in case season 5 gets greenlit.
     
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    And that interview confirms they can’t use the actual Joker, but they can use every other villain. Feel bad for Cameron!

    What’s next, he plays a clone, or someone using plastic surgery to resemble Jerome/ Jeremiah?
     
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    The fact that they can't use the Joker name isn't the point. The point is, they should've said something like "some day, Jeremiah could evolve into that character and take up the mantle". But of course. BUT MAH IDEOLOGY LIEK BATMAN ARENT WE CLEVER LOL

    That would've gotten a much better message across. But no. The Joker's apparently more of a copycat now because he'll be copying Jeremiah's look and Jerome's shtik. F*** this.
     
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    WB gonna WB.

    They always have these odd creative/legal restrictions on their own IP especially when it's DC.
     
  20. Darkness Falls

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    right when they need the most support from fans/viewers they try to imply that Cameron isn't the joker again ???

    **** off with that garbage

    atleast say what skulldevil said
     
  21. SkullDevil

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    It's not even because of WB now. It's the way John Stephens worded it.

    It's the worst possible thing you could say at this point in time in the show. It kills any hype people had for these three last episodes, and could affect the low ratings and chance of renewal as it is.
     
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    It would hard to make the actual Joker unique, considering each one seems to represent a certain incarnation.

    Jerome: Bronze Age/Modern Age
    Jeremiah: Golden Age mixed with DKR

    The only thing left would be the Silver Age prankster.
     
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    Orb Lord of Demons

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    Or do that the 3 Jokers thing from the comics
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    Jerome = Far Right
    Jeremiah= Middle
    ???= Left
     
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    SkullDevil The White Portuguese

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    The 3 Joker concept is straight up awful imo.
     
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    Would not be surprised if they went with that idea, seeing as the producers view their Joker as more of an idea.
     

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