The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 1

[Dark Raven]

Right, the chill factor is missing. There was never one time in the show where the change seemed bleh. What made it Bixby Good was Bixby's acting, Harnell's perfect music score for the scenes and that haunting hum as he changed.

Defiitely memorable stuff.

Isn't the "Bixby" in "Bixby Good" in Bixby's case a bit redundant? It's not like there was someone else named, say, John Bixby who already set a Bixby standard that Bill Bixby was able to live up to with his performance. Bill set the standard himself.

But yes, I agree there was never a time that the transformation was boring. In fact, I'm of the opinion that as the show progressed, particularly getting towards "The First", that each transformation started becoming even more tension filled so that you were literally on the edge of your seat by the time it came round. It was like a pressure cooker that was constantly building. That's what I want in The Avengers with Ruffalo's performance. Every scene with Banner should have this cloud of tension over it because you never know when he could lose it and Hulk out. That's even how all the other Avengers should be around him and should be walking on eggshells.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Isn't the "Bixby" in "Bixby Good" in Bixby's case a bit redundant? It's not like there was someone else named, say, John Bixby who already set a Bixby standard that Bill Bixby was able to live up to with his performance. Bill set the standard himself.

But yes, I agree there was never a time that the transformation was boring. In fact, I'm of the opinion that as the show progressed, particularly getting towards "The First", that each transformation started becoming even more tension filled so that you were literally on the edge of your seat by the time it came round. It was like a pressure cooker that was constantly building. That's what I want in The Avengers with Ruffalo's performance. Every scene with Banner should have this cloud of tension over it because you never know when he could lose it and Hulk out. That's even how all the other Avengers should be around him and should be walking on eggshells.

Credit to E-Man for putting me on to it...but the phrase 'Bixby Good' transcends the man himself. It's taken on a life of it's own. t: His Hulk work among other things he's done, was that damn good.

I like your idea, and it could work just as long as it doesn't seemed forced. Also, most of the Avengers, Thor, Captain America, and even Hawkeye will not take a step back from anyone, it's an ego driven warrior / noble-soldier / bada$$ thing. But I feel 'pressure cooker" is a good analogy.

 

[Atomicchuck3k]

Credit to E-Man for putting me on to it...but the phrase 'Bixby Good' transcends the man himself. It's taken on a life of it's own. t: His Hulk work among other things he's done, was that damn good.

Agreed

 

[Gamma Ra]

Jimmy Kimmel: "I know in the Avengers that the Hulk is a little different from the Hulk that we've seen in these other movies."

And Ruffalo explains the CGI.

I can't believe I missed this before.

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[StarLord]

I think he'll be great as Hulk.

He seems to be a soft spoken guy, and I think would work brilliantly in The Avengers.

A real Jekyll and Hyde, not just like the Hulk's before (where they were scared of letting this monster loose) but i see it coming across as something he quietly enjoys and doesn't feel the need to oppress it as much.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I think Ruffalo's will truly get into the character.

The psychological Jekyll and Hyde dichotomy of Banner and Hulk has been painfully missing in the movies and TV show. I don't know if Banner should ever 100% embrace it; tolerate, deal with it and let it do what it does, yeah; but enjoy it, I can't see that.

 

[storyteller]

Well Hulk has never been evil and if anything its Banner who is the Hyde of the partnership. At the start while still in grey mode(and Banner still had control) with that whole day and night thing. Hulk was a joke and really more more like the hyde but that hasn't been the case for a long time. Banner gets attacked and the Hulk defends while asking to be left alone and not cause trouble. Banner goes town to town and tries to "live it up" in a don't cause trouble sorta way way.

 

[Obi-Ron]

I think Ra's point is that Banner/Hulk has not yet been shown (in the live action versions) as two personailties in conflict, like the Jeckyll & Hyde story Stan Lee based the Hulk on. Usually we just see Hulk's "Frankenstein" heritage - scientist trying to stop his monstrous creation.

 

[Flint Marko]

No one answered my question .

Someone was complaining about the Avengers Hulk being "bloated." When was this Hulk described as being bloated?

Here's the exact quote:

"He looks just like me, but bloated and green. And big! He looks like me 40 pounds ago. [Laughs] I'm the first actor to do both. It's really cool. I was surprised by how well my theater training played into the motion capture thing, because it's all your imagination. When he moves across the ground, I want him using all fours, using his arms as much as his legs to move from here to there. I'd like to capture some of the primitive aspect of him. I've been working with [director/co-writer] Joss Whedon quite a bit on developing it, my portion of it. I'll be working with Robert Downey Jr., and I'm already doing the motion capture stuff. I'm excited."

http://www.movieweb.com/news/the-avengers-hulk-looks-like-me-but-bloated-and-green-says-mark-ruffalo

I have no idea how to visualize 'bloated' and it be anything but terrible.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I think Ra's point is that Banner/Hulk has not yet been shown (in the live action versions) as two personailties in conflict, like the Jeckyll & Hyde story Stan Lee based the Hulk on. Usually we just see Hulk's "Frankenstein" heritage - scientist trying to stop his monstrous creation.

That's right. Thanks.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Well Hulk has never been evil and if anything its Banner who is the Hyde of the partnership. At the start while still in grey mode(and Banner still had control) with that whole day and night thing. Hulk was a joke and really more more like the hyde but that hasn't been the case for a long time. Banner gets attacked and the Hulk defends while asking to be left alone and not cause trouble. Banner goes town to town and tries to "live it up" in a don't cause trouble sorta way way.

You bring into question what has been seen recently in comics, who's the real Monster and who's the hero? Hulk - Banner or are they both...both.

Many believe they are mentally worlds apart, I think they have many differences, but also many similarities.

I think the perfect scenario would be to keep the lines vague and undefined.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Is he man or monster or...is he both?

 

[Gamma Ra]

Is he man or monster or...is he both?

Ahhh the proverbial and first Hulk question...only which one's referred to as which?

If only writers had imagination, the places you could take Banner and Hulk in comics and live media.

 

[Dark Raven]

"The Strangest Man of All Time." Somehow that accolade doesn't seem to quite fit with the Hulk as we know him today.

 

[Brian Braddock]

''Both is strongest one there is''.

 

[Gunga Diner]

I have no idea how to visualize 'bloated' and it be anything but terrible.

If I remember correctly, Clark Gregg described Banner's transformation into Hulk as "scary." So I'm not all that worried.

But yeah, bloated isn't the word I wanna hear either.

 

[Doc Samson]

Personally, and this is just my opinion of course, but I feel the element missing from Banner in the previous movies, that ultimately make him less interesting as a character, is charisma. Yes, he has a fractured psyche, I know he's emotionally a trainwreck, but that makes it even the more important to flesh him out as a more rounded human being.

Let me be clear, obviously, Banner is not Tony Stark, but one of the things Bixby exhibited with the role was a charisma. Yes, he was intelligent and smart and driven, but he also had a magnetism, you could understand how he could survive on the run and meet all these different types of people and have all these different women wanting him to stay. He was charming, while still having the look of simmering rage just beneath the surface. And TBH, Ferrigno only popped up a grand total of about 5-10 minutes in most episodes anyway, Bixby's Banner had to be the main ingredient to keep people engaged for a full episode.

I liken it to Jeff Goldblum in The Fly. He was definitely a nerdy introvert, but he had a "cool" about him that made him vastly interesting, and thus, the whole premise of the film works. He wasn't so devoid of emotion, he was actually quite eccentric, exhibiting a cocky confidence in his own intelligence. Probably my favorite part of that whole movie is when he brings Geena Davis back to this apartment for the first time and calmly starts playing the piano, while she's looking around like what is this guy doing? Once again, that role had a lot of Jeff Goldblum in it, but still, it was the foundation that made the other stuff so effective.

Jesse Eisenberg in The Social Network is another example. Even James McAvoy (with the help of great writing) made Professor X much more rounded and dynamic than what we're used to. We saw him have fun! I think its paramount, especially in a group film where I presume the Hulk will only make a handful of appearances, that they convey more of complete range for Bruce.

Norton touched on it some, but not enough I thought, and to be honest, we're almost in a position now to completely cheapen a character the general audience barely cared about to begin with. We have yet another actor in the role which will make it all the more easier for the audience to start marking the time he's onscreen until he changes. They need to be invested in him just as they are with every other alter ego.

 

[Gamma Ra]

"The Strangest Man of All Time." Somehow that accolade doesn't seem to quite fit with the Hulk as we know him today.

Well, Banner/Hulk do have some pretty 'strange' abilities and as you can see by my signature. Hulk by is certainly not the average "man".

1) Banner absorbs radiation; which increases his many survival abilities infinitely, instead of it killing him

2) Hulk can see astral forms and ghosts.

3) Hulk can regenerate from death even to the extent of being blown to atoms, when enough radiation is re-absorbed

4) Hulk has been shown to physically take hold of energy

5) Hulk can sense magic and at time resist its affects

6) His strength has no limit

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Well, Banner/Hulk do have some pretty 'strange' abilities and as you can see by my signature. Hulk by is certainly not the average "man".

1) Banner absorbs radiation; which increases his many survival abilities infinitely, instead of it killing him

2) Hulk can see astral forms and ghosts.

3) Hulk can regenerate from death even to the extent of being blown to atoms, when enough radiation is re-absorbed

4) Hulk has been shown to physically take hold of energy

5) Hulk can sense magic and at time resist its affects

6) His strength has no limit

he also can always find the exact location where Banner was hit with the gamma bomb. That one and the 'can see astral projections' one have I've always found a little creepy.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Personally, and this is just my opinion of course, but I feel the element missing from Banner in the previous movies, that ultimately make him less interesting as a character, is charisma. Yes, he has a fractured psyche, I know he's emotionally a trainwreck, but that makes it even the more important to flesh him out as a more rounded human being.

Let me be clear, obviously, Banner is not Tony Stark, but one of the things Bixby exhibited with the role was a charisma. Yes, he was intelligent and smart and driven, but he also had a magnetism, you could understand how he could survive on the run and meet all these different types of people and have all these different women wanting him to stay. He was charming, while still having the look of simmering rage just beneath the surface. And TBH, Ferrigno only popped up a grand total of about 5-10 minutes in most episodes anyway, Bixby's Banner had to be the main ingredient to keep people engaged for a full episode.

I liken it to Jeff Goldblum in The Fly. He was definitely a nerdy introvert, but he had a "cool" about him that made him vastly interesting, and thus, the whole premise of the film works. He wasn't so devoid of emotion, he was actually quite eccentric, exhibiting a cocky confidence in his own intelligence. Probably my favorite part of that whole movie is when he brings Geena Davis back to this apartment for the first time and calmly starts playing the piano, while she's looking around like what is this guy doing? Once again, that role had a lot of Jeff Goldblum in it, but still, it was the foundation that made the other stuff so effective.

Jesse Eisenberg in The Social Network is another example. Even James McAvoy (with the help of great writing) made Professor X much more rounded and dynamic than what we're used to. We saw him have fun! I think its paramount, especially in a group film where I presume the Hulk will only make a handful of appearances, that they convey more of complete range for Bruce.

Norton touched on it some, but not enough I thought, and to be honest, we're almost in a position now to completely cheapen a character the general audience barely cared about to begin with. We have yet another actor in the role which will make it all the more easier for the audience to start marking the time he's onscreen until he changes. They need to be invested in him just as they are with every other alter ego.

Agreed two missing ingredients of the movie Banner is charisma and charm and I have to add selflessness. Why Bixby's Banner was so intriguing was that the audience was well aware of his ultimate aim, to rid himself of Hulk, but through his adventures, he always went out his way to help others with their immediate problems first, before he continued on his journey.

 

[Gamma Ra]

he also can always find the exact location where Banner was hit with the gamma bomb. That one and the 'can see astral projections' one have I've always found a little creepy.

Ahh how could I forget?

Also, has an uncanny sense of direction in general and aim accuracy.

He can see dead people...is quite creepy. An ability that Banner/Hulk gained, from fear that his father, whom he accidentally killed would come back and GET him.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

It sounds almost as if its another one of his adaptive abilities.

 

[Gamma Ra]

It sounds almost as if its another one of his adaptive abilities.

I think that it was writer Bill Mantlo that stated that Hulk is Banner's survival instinct materialized, which is why as Hulk gets angrier, he's able to accomplish many implausible feats. His belief that he can do anything, a phrase Hulk would boast in his earlier days, becomes literally a mind over matter event or mind over energy.

His body adapts to make it happen.

Hulk can breath under water and outer space. His body adapts and creates enzymes that allow for it.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

^ yeah I remember that happening.

 

[wobbly]

"When he moves across the ground, I want him using all fours, using his arms as much as his legs to move from here to there."


Wtf? He is not a Gorilla Rufallo. Leave that crap out thank you very much.