The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 1

[Herolee10]

I wonder, do you guys think that it would be within the realm of possibility if we saw the Hulk actually going out of his way to help protect/cover civilians from harm's way from an attack by the enemy for this film? Or would that be considered out of character for him?

 

[Dark Raven]

I wonder, do you guys think that it would be within the realm of possibility if we saw the Hulk actually going out of his way to help protect/cover civilians from harm's way from an attack by the enemy for this film? Or would that be considered out of character for him?

That's completely in character IMO. We ought to see something like that to show the heroic nature of the beast.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Yes and Yes.

This is why when directors get lost in this primal rage crap, they totally miss out on showing some of Hulk finer points.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I've watched some Bixby in some other non-Hulk productions before (made after TIH) and at times, because of his intensity and heroism, it seemed like he could still turn into the Hulk.

There was an Agatha Christie TV movie called Murder is Easy, which you should watch. If you read the plot on Wikipedia, it sounds like it could easily have been an episode of the Incredible Hulk:

I'll check it out. His presence on the screen is one of the best. I once saw a special on his life and it seems he took everything serious a acted with the same intensity.

 

[DarthDaveBanner]

Funnily enough the producer of the Hulk TV show has said the moment he saw Bixby walk out of the makeup chair with the Hulk lenses in was the moment he knew the show was going to work.

Ruffalo trying to channel some of that Bixby energy would be wise. Banner has to be somewhat charismatic or else we won't give a damn about him.

 

[Obi-Ron]

I absolutely love this Hulk Out. The Build up was EPIC! LMAO!

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My ALL TIME favorite Hulk-out!

 

[terry78]

http://geekoutonline.com/2008/05/21/my-top-ten-favorite-superheroes-number-2-the-incredible-hulk/

This snippet pretty much embodies everything I feel regarding the character.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Funnily enough the producer of the Hulk TV show has said the moment he saw Bixby walk out of the makeup chair with the Hulk lenses in was the moment he knew the show was going to work.

Ruffalo trying to channel some of that Bixby energy would be wise. Banner has to be somewhat charismatic or else we won't give a damn about him.

I think Ruffalo should try to bring a new intensity to the Banner character, otherwise you end up with an actor, acting out an actor trying to play a character. But the Bixby Hulk eyes and facial expressions have to be there.

My ALL TIME favorite Hulk-out!

"I don't have 25 cents!"

 

[Gamma Ra]

http://geekoutonline.com/2008/05/21/my-top-ten-favorite-superheroes-number-2-the-incredible-hulk/

This snippet pretty much embodies everything I feel regarding the character.

Cool article and I agree with almost everything he said. His favorite Hulk is (dumb, as he calls him) Savage Hulk, I never saw Savage Hulk as dumb, just naive and indifferent. Also, I see Banner as the 'core of the Hulk,' because all the mindsets and characteristics of all the incarnations stem from him. To me Banner is the Hulk.

I also disagree with his view that the other incarnations lacked the empathic views that Savage/Child-like Hulk had. Savage Hulk viewed the world as a child, but all incarnations have the same traits to varying degrees. Joe Fixit/Gray Hulk though he was basically hedonistic, still exhibited all the same good traits as Savage, except he was a mean son of a b!+@#. He could not stand for anyone getting bullied and if he cared for you, you could call him on his mean attitude. Gravage/Green Scar too exhibits all the heroic qualities that any incarnation of the Hulk has. He preferred to be alone because he really lost faith in humanity, but he tends to find himself in a reluctant positions to lead and help others and effect change. He tends to follow through in a noble manner.

When push comes to shove Hulk, all of them, tend to do the right thing.

Of special note, PAD's Hulk was Merged not that stupid Professor Hulk that Jenkins did. In a PAD story he retconned those Professor stories.

 

[Doc Samson]

No offense, but you are seriously trippin' if you think they're going to incorporate any other Hulk but a green Hulk. No red Hulk. No grey Hulk. Sorry just won't happen.

Yeah, that not's happening anytime soon and I'm glad it isn't.

First of all, I never mentioned anything about a Red Hulk, that doesn't even count. But that's fine, everyone can have their opinion, but I feel it's quite unimaginative to only focus on such a small part of the Hulk's overall history. We got a tv show & two movies basically focusing on the same incarnation. When, exactly, is enough enough?

I don't care what anybody says, a Gray Hulk on screen would be loads more interesting. I never thought they would do it, especially for Avengers, but eventually, why not?

 

[Brian Braddock]

TIH is in continuity and they've just re-cast Banner so I seriously doubt they are going to mess around with the overall aesthetic of the Hulk from the last film as they're going to want to keep some kind of visual anchor to TIH for the audience to keep hold of. Yes, there may/will be slight cosmetic changes but changing the colour?

I wouldnt have thought so.

 

[StarLord]

Mark Ruffalo (@Mruff221) tweeted this a few mins ago:

Bruce Banner is looking promising, everyone. Today was the first time I turned in to the great green one. It is going to badass.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Now that's exciting

 

[Gamma Ra]

First of all, I never mentioned anything about a Red Hulk, that doesn't even count. But that's fine, everyone can have their opinion, but I feel it's quite unimaginative to only focus on such a small part of the Hulk's overall history. We got a tv show & two movies basically focusing on the same incarnation. When, exactly, is enough enough?

I don't care what anybody says, a Gray Hulk on screen would be loads more interesting. I never thought they would do it, especially for Avengers, but eventually, why not?

I agree that Gray Hulk on screen with the Peter David attitude could blow the audience away. I also believe that Savage Hulk if written with the correct syntax and attitude ala Len Wein, Bill Mantlo and Steve Englehardt, would put an audience in awe and wouldn't sound stupid. I also believe that the Gravage/Green Scar Hulk written in the style of Greg Pak and PAD's last run can appeal greatly, if characterized correctly.

When Ang's movie was announced, I was hoping that for the movies sake, we'd either see Hulk grow in stages and develop from a Savage Hulk into an intelligent Hulk, this way giving each Hulk screen time and not making it too complicated that the audience couldn't follow it.

After that movie failed to give us an intelligent incarnation, I hoped that the Letteirier Hulk movie would give us the Gravage, since he's easier to write and stick with him.

I think Marvel Studios still has a possibility to fix the mess of the Hulk franchise that they started. But I think they'll play it safe now and not get too complicated.

 

[wobbly]

We got a tv show & two movies basically focusing on the same incarnation. When, exactly, is enough enough

The TV show was enough. The movies following that model was never a good idea (imo).
Add to that the fact that incarnation is not an accurate version of anything that has been the norm in the books, and its' all the more annoying to me.
It's odd that they nail Iron-Man, Thor and it looks like Cap too, but when it comes to the Hulk Banner takes center stage and the Hulk is presented as little more than a grunting beserker.

There's no excuse for it any more.

 

[Gamma Ra]

It's odd that they nail Iron-Man, Thor and it looks like Cap too, but when it comes to the Hulk Banner takes center stage and the Hulk is presented as little more than a grunting beserker.

There's no excuse for it any more.

There was never an excuse for that growling-trash they called Hulk to appear in either big screen movie.

IM, Thor and Cap will make about $500 million dollars worldwide...why you ask?...because they stayed true to the core of what gave them the appeal to last 50 and more years. With Hulk, they tried to build a movie franchise off a show that lasted 5 seasons.

 

[terry78]

Hollywood views Hulk as a special effect moreso than a character, unlike the other three who are constantly played by real actors.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I guess it's hard to view him as anything other when he has no character and all he does is snarl.

 

[wobbly]

There was never an excuse for that growling-trash they called Hulk to appear in either big screen movie.

IM, Thor and Cap will make about $500 million dollars worldwide...why you ask?...because they stayed true to the core of what gave them the appeal to last 50 and more years. With Hulk, they tried to build a movie franchise off a show that lasted 5 seasons.

You'd think Marvel would have figured this out by now. The TV show was a product of its time and it's format (which was was basically a copy of 'the Fugitive', just with Ferrigno going ape added) was limited by budget and technology. The mistake, and its a big one, is to keep thinking that basic model (make the story all about Banner with the Hulk reduced to being Banner 'under the influence' rather than having a personality of his own) can work just as well today.

Hollywood views Hulk as a special effect moreso than a character, unlike the other three who are constantly played by real actors.

Well, when Iron-Man is in action he is mostly a special effect, but they don't stop him from talking. And if the FX argument is Hollywoods justification for how the Hulk has been done then it's a false one: Gollum, Transformers, Avatar etc, show CGI characters can certainly have personality too.

 

[Gamma Ra]

You'd think Marvel would have figured this out by now. The TV show was a product of its time and it's format (which was was basically a copy of 'the Fugitive', just with Ferrigno going ape added) was limited by budget and technology. The mistake, and its a big one, is to keep thinking that basic model (make the story all about Banner with the Hulk reduced to being Banner 'under the influence' rather than having a personality of his own) can work just as well today.

I've been sick of the plot device Hulk since the television show ended. I give the show credit for developing Banner into an interesting personality, but they did it at the cost of destroying the Hulk's characterization.

I don't know if you've seen the Stan Lee interview discussing the ideas that went into Hulk's creation and the television, but it was pretty much Kenneth Johnson who felt that a speaking Hulk would look silly on screen. Stan even agreed. So here were are still using Kenneth Johnson's and Universal Studio's model for a successful Hulk.

 

[The Morningstar]

Ang's Hulk came the closest to giving the Hulk, as in the Hulk persona itself, a personality. Hinting at Hulks resentment of "puny human" Banner, showing his child like wonder when he was jumping through the air etc.

They need to show more of that. That Banner and Hulk are two distinct personalities. Not just have Hulk as a raging plot device.

 

[wobbly]

I've been sick of the plot device Hulk since the television show ended. I give the show credit for developing Banner into an interesting personality, but they did it at the cost of destroying the Hulk's characterization.

Agreed. I can forgive the show doing it given when it was made and the limitations of TV, but the movies have no excuse.

I don't know if you've seen the Stan Lee interview discussing the ideas that went into Hulk's creation and the television, but it was pretty much Kenneth Johnson who felt that a speaking Hulk would look silly on screen. Stan even agreed. So here were are still using Kenneth Johnson's and Universal Studio's model for a successful Hulk.

Can't say I've seen that interview but I remember when the show came out here (yes, I am that old) Stan was doing the interview rounds on British TV and I saw him talking about the Hulk being an atomic age Jekyll and Hyde, what he he intended for the character when he created him and what he became in the books and so on....Then being a little disappointed we saw none of that reflected in the show. Was only young at the time though so I loved the show regardless.

I've also read that Lou did later lobby to have the Hulk talking but Bixby wouldn't have it.

 

[Rock Sexton]

you'd think marvel would have figured this out by now. The tv show was a product of its time and it's format (which was was basically a copy of 'the fugitive', just with ferrigno going ape added) was limited by budget and technology. The mistake, and its a big one, is to keep thinking that basic model (make the story all about banner with the hulk reduced to being banner 'under the influence' rather than having a personality of his own) can work just as well today.

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[Gamma Ra]

Ang's Hulk came the closest to giving the Hulk, as in the Hulk persona itself, a personality. Hinting at Hulks resentment of "puny human" Banner, showing his child like wonder when he was jumping through the air etc.

They need to show more of that. That Banner and Hulk are two distinct personalities. Not just have Hulk as a raging plot device.

I wish Ang had used the Hulk from that scene through the entire film. I loved the tone when he said "Puny Human." I think Ang's Hulk, minus the growing had potential. His story was truer to the Hulk mythos.

Agreed. I can forgive the show doing it given when it was made and the limitations of TV, but the movies have no excuse.


Can't say I've seen that interview but I remember when the show came out here (yes, I am that old) Stan was doing the interview rounds on British TV and I saw him talking about the Hulk being an atomic age Jekyll and Hyde, what he he intended for the character when he created him and what he became in the books and so on....Then being a little disappointed we saw none of that reflected in the show. Was only young at the time though so I loved the show regardless.

I've also read that Lou did later lobby to have the Hulk talking but Bixby wouldn't have it.

That Lou...a true Hulk fan.

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[wobbly]

Edit: Post I responded to was deleted.