The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 2

[ThePowerCosmic]

From what i remember, he did. But, no, this 'axe-hammer' is not the real Mjolnir, as I've explained in the previous post.

I meant in the Ultimate Avengers animated movie, not the comics. The Mjolnir in that movie was meant to be mythical and not manmade.

 

[Gamma Burst]

I honestly don't even remember the movie that well.

 

[BigThor]

Don't you mean is perfect? You make it seem like EMH is a finished show now.

Well the portrayal of Hulk's power level IS perfect EMH and hopefully it's similar in the Avengers film.

I honestly don't even remember the movie that well.

Honestly, you shouldn't

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Well the portrayal of Hulk's power level IS perfect EMH and hopefully it's similar in the Avengers film.

I agree!

 

[terry78]

Truthfully I don't think anything man made should be able to really take the Hulk down. Slow him or stun him for a temporary time period, maybe. But permanently....unless it's supernatural, no.

 

[Lantern Venom]

That's true, but that was in the Ultimate Avengers and the Ultimate universe is like a great big "what if" story so I don't take it seriously.



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Sure, it isn't the 616 universe but it does show that Marvel is willing to bend the rules for the Hulk outside of the main continuity. Given that the movies don't always hold steadfast to the comics, I wouldn't put very much outside of possibilties for the Hulk, including breaking Cap's shield or lifting Mjolnir.

Anyway, in the ultimate universe, at that point, what hulk lifted was not Mjolnir, but an artificial, man-made hammer. Also, Thor's powers were artificial,given by his belt.

The stituation is much different now.

No, it was clearly not the actual,classic Mjolnir but the implication that Hulk was bypassing the worthiness standard was there. Not only did he struggle to lift it, Thor was clearly shocked to see Hulk holding it.

The Hulk is Marvel's 2nd or 3rd most recognizable character, which means he gets preferential treatment outside of the 616 universe, much like Spidey and Wolverine. The Hulk's abilities might be limited in the upcoming movie, but they might not.

 

[BigThor]

Truthfully I don't think anything man made should be able to really take the Hulk down. Slow him or stun him for a temporary time period, maybe. But permanently....unless it's supernatural, no.

Agreed on all points

I wouldn't very much outside of possibilties for the Hulk, including breaking Cap's shield or lifting Mjolnir.

These films might not be 100% comicbook accurate, but those are two things that will NOT be happening in The Avengers.

 

[Herolee10]

Well in regards to Hulk's anger; judging by what the EW Article said, it seems like there'll be one point in the film where he's anger will be uncontrollable, resulting in the Avengers having to scuffle with him.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Agreed on all points



The films might not be 100% comicbook accurate, but those are two things that will NOT be happening in The Avengers.

Hulk's is in this movie to cause complete havoc. His inclusion in the movie doesn't make sense any other way. What he'll do is anyone's guess but it will certainly be memorable.

 

[Herolee10]

Hulk's is in this movie to cause complete havoc. His inclusion in the movie doesn't make sense any other way. What he'll do is anyone's guess but it will certainly be memorable.

Well, I'd like to think that the Avengers will be a good opportunity to use in order to show the public that the character of the Hulk is MUCH MORE than the stereotypical view that most of have of him simply being an unintelligent raging monster that causes havoc.

If they're able to explore the Hulk as a actual character and get audiences invested into him, while showing that he's not one dimensional, then this could allow Marvel to create an actual sequel to TIH.

 

[BigThor]

Hulk's is in this movie to cause complete havoc. His inclusion in the movie doesn't make sense any other way. What he'll do is anyone's guess but it will certainly be memorable.

Hulk's in this movie to be a member of The Avengers, not to cause complete havoc.

 

[terry78]

The Hulk's role in most of his appearances in the books has always been him raging out over some ****, then one of the good guys attempting to either calm him down or reason with him. The main issue is that Hulk is a hard individual to convince that you're not a foe because of so many people viewing him as an enemy. At the end of the movie he should be on their side but he should still be like, "I don't fully trust these guys."

 

[November Rain]

Erm, I have just watched TIH NR and 4 army guys each wasted a whole clip each of sedative bulletts and not one of them pierced Hulk's skin, so I doubt an arrow, even fired by Hawkeye, would pierce Hulk's skin.

In the same film, various size bulletts, grenades and even a Helicopter fraching on top of him barely pierced his skin.

but he geats speared by abomination bony elbow. it didnt appear to be donw with much force (although one could argue the weight of abomination played a factor but then again the hulk was off the ground so it would have less leverage).

a bone hulk is able to rip right out of his arm.

there may be tons of examples where it doesn't happen but if there is one that shows it's possible, then we have to go with the last common denominator.

bone (or at least irradiated bone) can pierce hulk.

heck, you know i was just thinking, he doesn't even have to pierce anything, he just needs to shoot it into hulk's mouth or eye

 

[November Rain]

Hulk's in this movie to be a member of The Avengers, not to cause complete havoc.

there's a high possiblity he may end up doing both, regardless of why he is originally recruited.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

but he geats speared by abomination bony elbow. it didnt appear to be donw with much force (although one could argue the weight of abomination played a factor but then again the hulk was off the ground so it would have less leverage).

a bone hulk is able to rip right out of his arm.

there may be tons of examples where it doesn't happen but if there is one that shows it's possible, then we have to go with the last common denominator.

bone (or at least irradiated bone) can pierce hulk.

heck, you know i was just thinking, he doesn't even have to pierce anything, he just needs to shoot it into hulk's mouth or eye

But these were bones which survived bulletts, rockets, being beaten with a car, by the Hulk, not to mention a huge helicopter crashing right on top of him. Its not like Abom's bones were like a normal humans, they were damn durable, and even, they didnt pierce Hulk's skin by much, it wasnt exactly a deep gash he got from it.

So again, I cant see an arrow piercing his skin.

 

[Terror Inc.]

god this arrow debate is still goin on?? let it go people, I'll come back in a few pages to see if you've changed the topic from the last eight...

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well in regards to Hulk's anger; judging by what the EW Article said, it seems like there'll be one point in the film where he's anger will be uncontrollable, resulting in the Avengers having to scuffle with him.

No doubt about this, if you ask me.

 

[LOBO3315a]

Maybe it'll be a testament to Cap's leadership abilities, if he is able to calm Hulk. Something that only Betty and Rick could do in the comics.

 

[darthmagic]

The problem with the Hulk being presented in the strength level that the Ultimates animated films have placed him in, in my honest opinion, is that by making him THAT strong, he's like the deus ex machina, where he essentially has no limits to his strength and can defeat any presumably unstoppable force on his own.

If he's that strong that he can defeat ANY foe on his own, what's the point of having a team if he could take down any threat by himself?

I like how his strength was portrayed in EMH's, where as strong as the Hulk is, even he can get tied down a bit when faced with a incredibly strong foe.

I'm not talking about a Hulk that is impossible to defeat. Nor is limitless in strength, even though historically he is technically. He needs to be the one who evens up near impossible odds. He can turn the tables in any fight. He IS the difference maker.

With all due respect to the other Avengers, Captain America, Iron Man, black widow, and Hawkeye cannot possibly hold their own against Hulk. Thor would give as good as he got to begin with but ultimately Hulk will prevail. It's not a knock on Thor, but the superior strength of the hulk. He is a near unstoppable creature that reuses to yield and as powerful as Thor is he just cannot stand up to that. Kudos to Marvel for going in that direction in recent years because it just makes sense. He is wanted and hunted because he is the most powerful beings in the universe.

 

[GhostPoet]

But these were bones which survived bulletts, rockets, being beaten with a car, by the Hulk, not to mention a huge helicopter crashing right on top of him. Its not like Abom's bones were like a normal humans, they were damn durable, and even, they didnt pierce Hulk's skin by much, it wasnt exactly a deep gash he got from it.

So again, I cant see an arrow piercing his skin.

Depends on the tip of the arrow. If it's not a typical arrowhead and more of a needle point, I can see that working.

 

[afan]

Thing is ......if Hulk is a blind destructive force in Avengers that needs to be stopped by our heroes, I will not be happy, but if it is so and the method used to stop Hulk is as mundane as a sedating tranq arrow(adamantium tipped or not), I will be even less happy.

A sedating hypo is fun for The A Team, but doesn't belong in Avengers.

 

[Pinky021]

No arrow should rip through Hulk's skin. And even if the tip of the arrow is from addamantium, how strong does Hawkeye has to shoot it in order to penetrate Hulk's skin??,, he's not that strong!, better, go with addamantium bullets or darts and shoot them from a gun.

 

[Savage]

Asgardians are real, yes. Everything was explained in the Ultimate Thor mini.
Thor and other Asgardians were sent to earth as mortals; Thor was part of the european program to develop super humans, where they develop the hammer and the belt. That was before the the Ultimates vol1.

Now, Thor is a God again, and he even have the real Mjolnir, which is basically the same from the 616 universe.

Wow. They sure can backtrack. The Ultimates universe is pointless if it becomes the same thing as the regular universe. I enjoyed the differences.

 

[Savage]

No arrow should rip through Hulk's skin. And even if the tip of the arrow is from addamantium, how strong does Hawkeye has to shoot it in order to penetrate Hulk's skin??,, he's not that strong!, better, go with addamantium bullets or darts and shoot them from a gun.

Neither is Wolverine but the guy is constantly stabbing and slicing through Hulk like he's made of Jell-o pudding. Plus bows not only require quite a but of strength to pull but there's quite a lot of force behind them once they're launched. Adamantium in Marvel seems to just be able to go through anything regardless of strength so I'd buy an adamtium tipped arrow full of Sterns' formula from the Incredible Hulk movie taking him out in the same manner (green eyes turning blue and all). The thing may not be a cure but it has proven to stop Hulk cold.

 

[November Rain]

But these were bones which survived bulletts, rockets, being beaten with a car, by the Hulk, not to mention a huge helicopter crashing right on top of him. Its not like Abom's bones were like a normal humans, they were damn durable, and even, they didnt pierce Hulk's skin by much, it wasnt exactly a deep gash he got from it.

So again, I cant see an arrow piercing his skin.

but it's all about surface tension. just because abomination's skin survives those impacts doesnt' mean his bone are as durable.

and depth of piercing depends on depth of how hard it's penetrated in. to me, it looked like it was pretty close to getting to his heart, which is pretty deep.

when hulk used it on abomination, he rammed it pretty deep into him.

and an arrow just has to pierce the skin to let the toxins enter his system

but like i said, an eyeshot or a mouth shout is still good enough.