The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 2

[Savage]

As far as I'm concerned the Green Scar is THE Hulk. I know a lot of people favor Savage but I like when Hulk actually shows that he has a personality of his own. That' he's not even Banner's mind inf Hulk's body like the professor. This is just...who he is supposed to be as a person. I like that this version is gaining popularity. All the other personalities seem to be extremes except for the Green Scar/Gravage.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Ang Lee's Hulk showed the more primative Hulk...TIH showed the more subtle humanitarian/controlled Hulk. Two different approach...hope they show a combination of the two in the Avengers; as well as, his intelligence(at time) and ability to speak. But darthmagic & Jamon are right in your perception.

 

[terry78]

Like we mentioned before, even if it's already been shot and completed, having Hulk speak with somewhat normal intelligence when calm and going savage when he's fighting would be a good hybrid to have and would satisfy most fans.

 

[darthmagic]

Like we mentioned before, even if it's already been shot and completed, having Hulk speak with somewhat normal intelligence when calm and going savage when he's fighting would be a good hybrid to have and would satisfy most fans.

This

 

[jadejaws]

As far as I'm concerned the Green Scar is THE Hulk. I know a lot of people favor Savage but I like when Hulk actually shows that he has a personality of his own. That' he's not even Banner's mind inf Hulk's body like the professor. This is just...who he is supposed to be as a person. I like that this version is gaining popularity. All the other personalities seem to be extremes except for the Green Scar/Gravage.

Savage does have a personality of his own when written properly. Len Wein.

 

[Kirmit]

As far as I'm concerned the Green Scar is THE Hulk. I know a lot of people favor Savage but I like when Hulk actually shows that he has a personality of his own. That' he's not even Banner's mind inf Hulk's body like the professor. This is just...who he is supposed to be as a person. I like that this version is gaining popularity. All the other personalities seem to be extremes except for the Green Scar/Gravage.

I agree, the Green Scar quickly became my favourite. I personally wouldn't mind if they didn't revisit the other personalities again and just spent the time developing the Green Scar moreso.

 

[terry78]

I really hope we get The Leader in a possible future Hulk movie or tv show. Hell, having him in an Avengers sequel would secure Hulk's role as a good guy considering he's basically what Banner could have become.

 

[Venom'sDad]

^I agree...TIH2 or The Return of TIH

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I wish marvel would put serious money into a TIH sequel, with a good director and vfx team.

 

[Xeno]

I wish marvel would put serious money into a TIH sequel, with a good director and vfx team.

They put serious money into TIH, and Universal did the same with Hulk. Unfortunately, the failure of Hulk damaged the audience potential of TIH to connect with the audience. Hopefully del Toro will do a good job with the TV show.

 

[Savage]

Savage does have a personality of his own when written properly. Len Wein.

I like this one. Unfortunately we don't see it often. I hate it when people treat Hulk like an idiot. He may be impulsive and he may not be Banner levels of smart but sometimes people make him ******ed. Okay, a lot of the time people make him ******ed. I think that's what really bugged me about the Hulk movie. He was a big baby and that was Ang Lee's every intention. It was Banner's inner child...Quite literally.

I like it when Hulk is quiet but when he speaks it's like "Holy ****!" cause not only do you not expect him to but you don't expect him to be so...eloquent, for lack of a batter word. Man, Earth's Mightiest Heroes Hulk would so rock in this movie.

Hulk: (regarding A.I.M. and HYDRA): I say we let 'em fight, enjoy the show.
Ant-Man: There's nothing to enjoy about fighting.
Hulk: You're doing it wrong, then.

Still my favorite exchange on that show. t: Right alongside

Wasp: Isn't it funny how people are always afraid of you? I bet she really thought you'd eat her.
Hulk: I would.
Wasp: *nervous laugh*

and

Graviton: I'm stronger than all of you! I'm the strongest one there is! *Hulk lands behind him.*
Hulk: You sure about that?

 

[cherokeesam]

Like we mentioned before, even if it's already been shot and completed, having Hulk speak with somewhat normal intelligence when calm and going savage when he's fighting would be a good hybrid to have and would satisfy most fans.

Agreed.
I like this idea....it's a good compromise for fans of both Professor Hulk and Savage Hulk, and it definitely has good story logic.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

They put serious money into TIH, and Universal did the same with Hulk. Unfortunately, the failure of Hulk damaged the audience potential of TIH to connect with the audience. Hopefully del Toro will do a good job with the TV show.

yeah I know, and sadly they both had just decent directors and inconsistent vfx. We really need a deep, dramatic, story driven hulk movie with a hulk that the audience can connect to.
I wouldn't mind if the hulk just had as many lines as the SS had in rotss maybe a few more, just as long as what ever hulk said had a sense of weight and it carried itself, like SS in rotss.
(sorry about the rotss reference, I'm no fanatic about that movie, but i like the way SS was handled as a character(even though they barely scratched the surface).)

 

[BigThor]

Sorry about the rotss reference, I'm no fanatic about that movie, but i like the way SS was handled as a character(even though they barely scratched the surface.

I agree, Silver Surfer was the best thing about FF:ROTSS and after the film I was left wanting to see more of him on film.

 

[Xeno]

yeah I know, and sadly they both had just decent directors and inconsistent vfx. We really need a deep, dramatic, story driven hulk movie with a hulk that the audience can connect to.
I wouldn't mind if the hulk just had as many lines as the SS had in rotss maybe a few more, just as long as what ever hulk said had a sense of weight and it carried itself, like SS in rotss.
(sorry about the rotss reference, I'm no fanatic about that movie, but i like the way SS was handled as a character(even though they barely scratched the surface).)

Well, Hulk had a truly wonderful director in Ang Lee, but unfortunately he was a very poor match for the material. Universal/Gale Ann Hurd made a colossal mistake in hiring him, though I understand that they were attempting to reframe the psychological aspects of the character.

As for Leterrier, he is a proven action director and did a very solid job with TIH. That film suffered from the negative reaction to the first Hulk movie, which dampened public enthusiasm. The film itself ranks with the other Marvel Studios efforts in terms of quality. It was really disappointing when it didn't do as well as it deserved to at the box office.

 

[terry78]

He doesn't need to be a smartass like Stark or Hawkeye, but he should just be a very cynical character like most comics tend to portray him, more or less like that teenager who just has a very non-trusting outlook on the world in general.

 

[Herolee10]

I think a sequel to TIH will be greatly determined based on the reaction and reception that the character gets from his role in the Avengers.

 

[Venom'sDad]

^ You know, I agree with that, in some respect.

 

[Panthro]

I think a sequel to TIH will be greatly determined based on the reaction and reception that the character gets from his role in the Avengers.

That sounds about right.

 

[Doc Samson]

Ang Lee's Hulk showed the more primative Hulk...TIH showed the more subtle humanitarian/controlled Hulk. Two different approach...hope they show a combination of the two in the Avengers; as well as, his intelligence(at time) and ability to speak. But darthmagic & Jamon are right in your perception.

I actually think it's the other way around for me. Ang's Hulk lashed out, but when left alone, showed the child-like personality. Looking at plants, trying to remember his old house at the base, etc.

TIH version was much more primitive IMO. He wasn't trying to just hurt Blonsky during that campus battle, he was trying to kill him lol (in fact, he may have killed that guy in the bottling factory he ran over). And if Betty hadn't stopped him at the end, he would've strangled the Abomination to death.

I do hope the Avengers find a perfect balance though, not only in terms of the Hulk but in Banner as well, something I feel has been lacking for too long

 

[cherokeesam]

I think a sequel to TIH will be greatly determined based on the reaction and reception that the character gets from his role in the Avengers.

I think a TIH sequel will also be determined in large part based on the reception of the TV show that's in development. I believe Feige said that they have no plans for a TIH sequel because they want to concentrate the character instead on the small screen.

If the TV show fails, I can see them considering a return to the film series. But if the TV show is a hit, I wouldn't look for Ruffalol Hulk anywhere except in Avengers films.

 

[BigThor]

He doesn't need to be a smartass like Stark or Hawkeye, but he should just be a very cynical character like most comics tend to portray him, more or less like that teenager who just has a very non-trusting outlook on the world in general.

Yeah, being a smartass doesn't fit every character and it's annoying when people try to give that quality to every character.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Come on, World War Hulk was insanely powerful, and had gone beyond purely physical strength, becoming an almost elemental force by the end of it (continent quaking foot steps).

According to the writer, he did become an elemental force...I think it has to do with the no limit to his strength power. t:

Not a hard idea to buy he could hurt Strange on the astral plane with that damage carried over. I mean, the Hulk has always had an inbuilt link to the astral plane (can see astral forms) so having him be able to do damage to Strange there is no more daft than believing it could exist at all.

Hulk has done many a strange thing from time to time.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Hulk got his butt handed to him by Zeus in this one:

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Short of the Skyfather's, Hulk is the strongest one there is.

Just because we're talking about fictional characters with superpowers doesn't mean the stories shouldn't make sense. It doesn't mean certain things ain't bad writing.

I agree that they should make sense within the scope and ability of the characters. Nowhere in that story other than Hulk going gammaburst can you show me Hulk doing anything he hasn't done before or you haven't seen in movies.

Comics is full of "plot induced stupidity". Things that are stupid to make the story more interesting or last longer. Batman having a chance against Superman for example. Or Spider-Man knocking out Firelord. Or Wolverine going toe to toe with Hulk. Or Thor not just dimension dumping Hulk when they fight. Rulk taking out pretty much everyone he came across when he first showed up.

My problem with this statement is that from square one, any super powered character has broken all the laws of known science, logic and reason, so drawing a line at what's stupid is relative at best. I can argue that Batman has manipulated Superman's known weakness which is within his scope, Spider-Man vs Firelord I agree, I can't justify that. Wolverine vs Hulk could be a case of Banner holding Hulk back cause in WWH Wolvie was not effective and Banner did not hold Hulk back. Thor may not have his dimension hoping powers anymore, when was the last time he used them without the aid of an outside source? No one knew Rulk's ability to siphon others cosmic and gamma powers so he was more effective. Like it or not it makes sense in the nature of these characters abilities. I think our abilities to suspend our disbelief usually comes down to who we favor most.

Sometimes things happen simply because the writer wants them to happen. World War Hulk was full of that.

I have to say all things happen because the writer wants them to, but in WWH, Hulk did absolutely nothing outside the scope of his abilities up to that point.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Savage does have a personality of his own when written properly. Len Wein.

Too few writers understand the concept of Savage/Child-like Hulk. He has a great personality when written by as you've mentioned Len Wein, Bill Mantlo, Steve Englehart, Roger Stern and Roy Thomas. Chris Claremont in the few times he wrote him, Peter David and Greg Pak did good jobs with his characterization, but almost everyone else who wrote him failed.