The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 6

[Cracker Jack]

For a long time it was established the Hulk had never killed any innocents on his rampages, and the few he had killed in battle were super-powered and were exceptional circumstances.
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As the way is should be.

 

[Oruku Saki]

I guess all you guys worried about the Hulk "killing" are gonna be *****ing up a storm after this movie when he has decimated countless alien invaders?

Here's the thing: Hulk doesn't want to kill anybody. That doesn't mean somebody will never get caught in the crossfire. I think what bendis was getting at is that Hulk will eventually cause some kind of casualties...>BUT is it really HIS fault when the army is coming after HIM and cause as much destruction and casualties if not more? The blame should go to the instigator really, whomever it may be at the time. Hulk would never hurt anyone if they would just leave him alone. We all know this.

 

[Nathan]

I don't want the Hulk to be a monster, but I always thought it was silly that there never was any collateral damage during his rampages. You got a being that's basically rage incarnate, trashing the entire place, and you're telling me that no one ever died, except for a few bad guys?

 

[The Morningstar]

Well they came up with some really stupid, contrived way to explain that. Apparently, on his rampages as the Hulk, he's still some super genius who subconsciously calculates how to cause damage without hurting anyone.

Yea, like i said, stupid. Even for comic books.

 

[jacobed]

I dont get the problem with killing the invaders. Many of them will die, whats the problem with that.

 

[craigdbfan]

huh? i thought ruffalo is gonna do the mocap for hulk? so it was only his facial expressions then? well that means he is not the one who plays the hulk for the first time....norton did the facial expressions as well...

Except this time around the Hulk model's face is completely based on Ruffalo's face so the mo cap work is infinitely better.

my guess is that he was the STUNT mocap. ruffalo still did mocap, but he probably had to do the tougher stuff. ?

Not quite.

Brenna has to replicate the movements that Ruffalo is doing. I would presume ILM is doing this so they can get more realistic movement and weight to the character by having someone with actual giant muscularity doing the same movement Ruffalo is.

It helps capture those nuance in the flexing of muscles when in movement or simply breathing (little back twitches seen in the circular shot of the group).

 

[Doc Samson]

I don't want the Hulk to be a monster, but I always thought it was silly that there never was any collateral damage during his rampages. You got a being that's basically rage incarnate, trashing the entire place, and you're telling me that no one ever died, except for a few bad guys?

Its no more silly than Superman walking around in glasses for a disguise or Stark cracking jokes with a "chest protector" keeping shrapnel from his heart. Or Thor's mere existence or Steve Rogers being froze in ice for a few decades. You mean to tell me the Hulk's bodycount is where we should become realistic?

 

[Cracker Jack]

It’s not that there are no causalities, collateral damage, it's The Hulk deliberately killing. Sure aliens will be killed as a result of going head to head with The Hulk, that’s a gimmie, but The Hulk willfully tearing the head or arms off an opponent and relishing it would, to me, be out of character.

Like you said Oruku Saki, "Hulk would never hurt anyone if they would just leave him alone."

 

[The Morningstar]

It’s not that there are no causalities, collateral damage, it's The Hulk deliberately killing. Sure aliens will be killed as a result of going head to head with The Hulk, that’s a gimmie, but The Hulk willfully tearing the head or arms off an opponent and relishing it would, to me, be out of character.

Like you said Oruku Saki, "Hulk would never hurt anyone if they would just leave him alone."

Well then that doesn't make him a hero. That makes him pretty selfish really.

He should hurt people. Bad people. Hulk himself should have his own moral code, a sense of wrong and right.

I'd love to see a scene where the other heroes are like "WOW!" when Hulk decides to fight for what is right. They all think he is just some monster, then he proves to them that he can be a hero. It would be a powerful moment.

And i think that's why neither Hulk film has really been that popular. Because most of the time he's not fighting for what's right, he's not being altruistic, he's fighting to defend himself, not others.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Well then that doesn't make him a hero. That makes him pretty selfish really.

He should hurt people. Bad people. Hulk himself should have his own moral code, a sense of wrong and right.

I don't get what you mean by selfish?

He does hurt bad guys and he does have a moral code, the Banner side of him. The Hulk knows that killing is wrong.

 

[Quasimod0]

I believe we will get to see him be a hero in this film

 

[The Morningstar]

I don't get what you mean by selfish?

He does hurt bad guys and he does have a moral code, the Banner side of him. The Hulk knows that killing is wrong.

If his attitude was to not get involved in fighting the alien invasion as long as they left HIM alone, that's selfish.

And it shouldn't be the Banner side of him. This idea of Banner controlling Hulk is stupid. They are two separate personalities, unless we're talking Professor Hulk.

Hulk, himself, the individual, should decide to fight for the greater good.

I hope Whedon has completely dropped the idea of Banner controlling Hulk and being able to turn him on and off at will. That part at the end of TIH where Banner consciously causes a "hulk out" by raising his heart beat is one of the biggest reasons i dislike that take on the character. It just completely erases the idea that Hulk is his own separate persona and that he is the manifestation of Banner's bottled up rage and emotions.

 

[Nathan]

Its no more silly than Superman walking around in glasses for a disguise or Stark cracking jokes with a "chest protector" keeping shrapnel from his heart. Or Thor's mere existence or Steve Rogers being froze in ice for a few decades. You mean to tell me the Hulk's bodycount is where we should become realistic?

I think there should have been an actual reason for launching him into space, other than him breaking stuff. And it's hard to sell some kind of struggle or conflict, when no one ever actually gets into harms way. But nice try to discredit my opinion, just because everything about comics is unrealistic.

 

[terry78]

The main issue has always been that he's never trying to cause problems, but because of the hair trigger temper and his ability to decimate land masses when he does so, that's where they feel justified in trying to take him down or get rid of him. Characters have carried on conversations with him in the past so they know he's not a bad guy per se, but that is where it comes from.

 

[The Morningstar]

I think there should have been an actual reason for launching him into space, other than him breaking stuff. And it's hard to sell some kind of struggle or conflict, when no one ever actually gets into harms way. But nice try to discredit my opinion, just because everything about comics is unrealistic.

No you're right, launching Hulk into space just because of damage to buildings, even if it's billions of dollars worth of damage, is stupid.

It's why i detest that stupid thing Pak come up with where he subconsciously calculates ways to cause destruction without hurting anyone.

 

[Cracker Jack]

If his attitude was to not get involved in fighting the alien invasion as long as they left HIM alone, that's selfish.

Well, the way The Hulk sees it, no one likes him and everyone wants to hurt him, so, to him, it's not his fight.

And it shouldn't be the Banner side of him. This idea of Banner controlling Hulk is stupid. They are two separate personalities, unless we're talking Professor Hulk.

The Hulk is part of Banner, not controlled by Banner (I hate that) but has the same moral compass as Banner. He would not kill.

Hulk, himself, the individual, should decide to fight for the greater good.

I'm sure in the movie he is convinced by Iron Man or Widow. The Hulk is a good guy after all.

I hope Whedon has completely dropped the idea of Banner controlling Hulk and being able to turn him on and off at will. That part at the end of TIH where Banner consciously causes a "hulk out" by raising his heart beat is one of the biggest reasons i dislike that take on the character. It just completely erases the idea that Hulk is his own separate persona and that he is the manifestation of Banner's bottled up rage and emotions.

I agree

 

[Quasimod0]

Hulk just killed a few aliens in the new tv spot.

 

[The Morningstar]

haha yea, that was awesome. My favourite so far. I love Stark at the end of it where he's like "YEAH!" with some big **** eating grin on his face.

 

[El Payaso]

I guess all you guys worried about the Hulk "killing" are gonna be *****ing up a storm after this movie when he has decimated countless alien invaders?

Not me, since I specified 'killing people.' As in, 'this puny human is not going to kill me but he's bothering me so I'll smash him if I can.'

 

[Nathan]

You know, I wouldn't mind if Banner steers Hulk. But only if it's done like in the cartoon. Hulk and Banner are still two different personalities, but you have Banner talking to Hulk, trying to convince him to use his powers for good. Overall I like the idea of Hulk and Banner being able to talk together, and if they are in agreement, let the other one either gain or give up control.

 

[Tissues]

lolol

 

[The Morningstar]

You know, I wouldn't mind if Banner steers Hulk. But only if it's done like in the cartoon. Hulk and Banner are still two different personalities, but you have Banner talking to Hulk, trying to convince him to use his powers for good. Overall I like the idea of Hulk and Banner being able to talk together, and if they are in agreement, let the other one either gain or give up control.

Yea i like the way the cartoon does it too. It's not actually Banner controlling Hulk, it's more they both come to some mutual agreement. I'm not sure how they'd pull that off in a film though.

 

[terry78]

That is probably the most detailed version sans the 2003 one.

 

[Cracker Jack]

lolol

hulk smash!!

 

[The Morningstar]

Amazing. No... INCREDIBLE!