The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 7

[Smashlilman]

Good point. But as evil as Maestro became he had a method to his madness, eating and raping people were not his MO. His malfunction was due to shrapnel lodged in his head and a world wide nuclear fallout wherein he became drunk off of overdosing on rads, none of which he did to himself, and still he did not attack or kill indiscreetly...though a evil none the less, he did build Dystopia that protected the normal humans. He was a complicated baddie and not the black and white mess that Millar writes.

Acutaly i think he killed a little girl or threaned to kill a little girl. Even Hulk's son in the main universe killed inoscent people.

Future Imperfect #2: The Maestro and the Hulk fight each other in the city. At one point, the Maestro threatens to kill a girl and the Hulk tries to call the bluff but when the Maestro starts to slam the girl into the ground, the Hulk runs forward and gets a sucker punch. During the battle, the Maestro antagnizes the Hulk about how he knows everything the Hulk is going to do during the fight and that the rebels should have brought someone else back in time to stop him. The Hulk manages to catch the Maestro by surprise and knocks him into a building. The building collapses and while the Hulk is trying to save people buried in the rubble, the Maestro comes up behind the Hulk and breaks the Hulk's neck. As everything turns black for the Hulk, he hears the Meastro telling him he is not going to die. While the Maestro sits on his throne surrounded by women, the Minister makes mention of the Hulk's screams. The Maestro tells the Minister that he is killing the Hulk with kindness as he orders some of the women to go to the Hulk and help him "relax"

I can't understand being mad if they changed the Hulk in the main timeline or main Universe. Ultimate Hulk is from an Alternate Universe and Old Man Logan is from and alternate Time line. It doesn't bother me in the lease. To me Ultimate Hulk and Main Universe Hulk are like Ultraman and Superman.

Hulk's son Hiro-Kala

 

[The Morningstar]

Hulk's indirectly killed loads of people throughout the years. Don't let Pak's ridiculously contrived and ******ed subconscious super calculation ******** fool you.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Ruffalo was on The Graham Norton Show promoting The Avengers and they played a clip of a scene between Bruce Banner and Natasha Romanoff: link (spoilers obviously)

I think this was the clip played during the New York Comic Con.

Spoiler

Really like the dangerous vibe he is giving off. And the Black Widow looks visibly scared by it.

Hadn't seen that one. Wow. Excellent. Thanks for sharing, Musterd!

 

[terry78]

I don't argue that Hulk's actions have probably left fatalities, but regarding the 616 version, they were almost always never intentional, just collateral damage.

 

[The Morningstar]

I don't argue that Hulk's actions have probably left fatalities, but regarding the 616 version, they were almost always never intentional, just collateral damage.

Indeed.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Only for Ruffalo. I'd love to see him doing his take of the character in a solo movie, but other than that I'm not that fussed right now. I'm still hoping Del Toro's Hulk tv series comes to fruition. That seems more tantalising overall to me. Though if it were up to me I'd just have them do both.

Still saying that, Feige doesn't seem rock solid on the position of no Hulk films at the moment. Perhaps if he sees there's enough interest from fans and enough critics praise Avengers take on Hulk it could change.

That's what i'm hoping!

 

[Smashlilman]

God i hope that TV show dies. I mean i love Del Toro but I want another Hulk Movie.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I don't argue that Hulk's actions have probably left fatalities, but regarding the 616 version, they were almost always never intentional, just collateral damage.

But his actions haven't, in fact left fatalities. You're aware of writer Greg Pak's explanation as to why, aren't you? It involves Banner subconciously estimating the amount of time it takes civilians to evacuate when his Hulk persona goes on a rampage?

 

[Roose Bolton]

A Hulk tv show would never work either, the budget wouldn't just wouldn't support it. Really it'd be a disservice to the character, trying to tone him tone like that.

 

[The Infernal]

God i hope that TV show dies. I mean i love Del Toro but I want another Hulk Movie.

Aw, man. You just broke my heart right there is what you did. *sad panda*

Honestly though I'm more excited about the possible series because a) Del Toro b) give them a few seasons and they can cover a lot of Hulk as fans have been asking for him to be portrayed.

 

[The Morningstar]

But his actions haven't, in fact left fatalities. You're aware of writer Greg Pak's explanation as to why, aren't you? It involves Banner subconciously estimating the amount of time it takes civilians to evacuate when his Hulk persona goes on a rampage?

Yea but that's stupid and should be ignored. Not only because it's stupid, but it makes Hulk more of a shallow plot device, rather than an actual character.

 

[Smashlilman]

Aw, man. You just broke my heart right there is what you did. *sad panda*

Honestly though I'm more excited about the possible series because a) Del Toro b) give them a few seasons and they can cover a lot of Hulk as fans have been asking for him to be portrayed.

If where talking an origin Mini series I'd be down for that.

 

[craigdbfan]

While I'm not big on a new Hulk t.v series prospect I could be swayed if they develop it over at the right network (AMC or HBO preferably). Then I can see my interest go way up for it.

 

[Smashlilman]

While I'm not big on a new Hulk t.v series prospect I could be swayed if they develop it over at the right network (AMC or HBO preferably). Then I can see my interest go way up for it.

If it's an HBO/Starz series I'm down!!! t:

I still prefer a movie though.

 

[warcam]

What about Oprah's network?

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Yea but that's stupid and should be ignored. Not only because it's stupid, but it makes Hulk more of a shallow plot device, rather than an actual character.

So let me get this straight....you're perfectly cool with a man getting hit by a gamma (nuclear) blast, somehow surviving, and then gaining the ability to pack on 800 lbs of size and mass when under stress, gaining the ability to heal nearly instantaneousy, possessing UNLIMITED strength, punch into other dimensions, perceive astral forms, able to leap from earth up into the upper stratosphere...but subconciously estimating how long it takes civilians to evacuate a building is..."stupid"?

Yeah.

And it most certainly doesn't make the character "shallow". One of the Hulk's main attraction for his fans is the whole misunderstood monster theory; a gentle giant who just wants to be left alone. He's hunted by friends, family, and even other superheroes who say he's a threat. Guess what? if people are dying because of his actions, even indirectly, then he IS a threat, and needs to be put down. Pak's retcon of Bendis and Millar's nonsense had to happen.

Hulk was created to be a hero, and a hero he is.

 

[The Infernal]

What about Oprah's network?

Yeah, they can use whatever technique they have to bulk her up and shrink her down again and again.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Good point, Cap'n.

 

[Shadowlord X]

If Ruffalo and Hulk keep getting the plaudits, and Avengers makes a mint at the BO (which it will) expect news of a Hulk film being fast tracked before the end of the summer.

Keeping fingers crossed on all counts.

 

[Gamma Ra]

If Ruffalo and Hulk keep getting the plaudits, and Avengers makes a mint at the BO (which it will) expect news of a Hulk film being fast tracked before the end of the summer.

This is what I'm hoping for...Guardians of the Galaxy...sure.

Acutaly i think he killed a little girl or threaned to kill a little girl. Even Hulk's son in the main universe killed inoscent people.

Future Imperfect #2: The Maestro and the Hulk fight each other in the city. At one point, the Maestro threatens to kill a girl and the Hulk tries to call the bluff but when the Maestro starts to slam the girl into the ground, the Hulk runs forward and gets a sucker punch. During the battle, the Maestro antagnizes the Hulk about how he knows everything the Hulk is going to do during the fight and that the rebels should have brought someone else back in time to stop him. The Hulk manages to catch the Maestro by surprise and knocks him into a building. The building collapses and while the Hulk is trying to save people buried in the rubble, the Maestro comes up behind the Hulk and breaks the Hulk's neck. As everything turns black for the Hulk, he hears the Meastro telling him he is not going to die. While the Maestro sits on his throne surrounded by women, the Minister makes mention of the Hulk's screams. The Maestro tells the Minister that he is killing the Hulk with kindness as he orders some of the women to go to the Hulk and help him "relax"

I can't understand being mad if they changed the Hulk in the main timeline or main Universe. Ultimate Hulk is from an Alternate Universe and Old Man Logan is from and alternate Time line. It doesn't bother me in the lease. To me Ultimate Hulk and Main Universe Hulk are like Ultraman and Superman.

Hulk's son Hiro-Kala

Wolverine has killed and I'm sure Thor as a warrior has plenty of blood on his hands. But there is a difference between murder and killing to protect.

Maestro did kill one of his concubines, can't remember why and as I said above committed other evil acts, but nothing random. Everyone knew what got him festering.

The prime reason for Maesto going mad was because of one, shrapnel lodged in his brain, something writer PAD made clear in posts on a different message board and his forum as well as to what drove him crazy and two, the constant absorbing of radiation pushed him over the edge...yet still it does not change the fact he was doing evil things. It leaves room for redemption.

Old Man Logan is in the same category as Maestro who stems from the a possible 616verse.

Ultimate Hulk is just ridiculously stupid, which is why I think they don't know what to do with him now. Just tell me how do you sell him as a character to kids or anyone for that matter? And the damage done to the Hulk name by connecting him to such is appalling. What a waste.

Hulk's indirectly killed loads of people throughout the years. Don't let Pak's ridiculously contrived and ******ed subconscious super calculation ******** fool you.

Please produce the evidence that Hulk has killed loads of people from a comic scan or tell me where you got that.

Bendis wrote that in the Illuminati book and as you know retconned.

What makes Hulk's ability any more ridiculous than shooting eye beams, humanoids flying through space at the speed of sound or light unaided by a vehicle, guys impervious to bullets, mind controlling millions with a simple thought, a lasso that makes you tell the truth, a ring that allows a person to do almost anything they can mentally conceive, a guy who swings through cities with home made web shooters, etc...you name some more.

This is how I view it in comic book physics. When Banner becomes the Hulk, his advanced calculating scientific intelligence now becomes the innate ssubconscious mind and it's well known that the different Banner-Hulk incarnations are different facts of his Ego, Id and Super-Ego. So why is that so silly?

I don't argue that Hulk's actions have probably left fatalities, but regarding the 616 version, they were almost always never intentional, just collateral damage.

True. He has never attacked or killed anyone who didn't have it coming, even most of the time when fighting the heroes, it's because they view him as a threat and provoked him.

In battle with another character, Hulk has caused no more damage than any other hero who's been tossed through a building killing bystanders.

 

[The Morningstar]

It makes it stupid because it cheats Hulk out of depth and development . Not to mention any sense of tension or danger. Also, any time we have actually seen people hurt by one of Hulk's rampages (which is many) it means he did it on purpose.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Yea but that's stupid and should be ignored. Not only because it's stupid, but it makes Hulk more of a shallow plot device, rather than an actual character.

Please explain how it makes him shallow and a plot device as I don't understand you.

 

[The Morningstar]

I just did

To expand, it means Hulk isn't really this rage monster that is a gift and a curse. Taking away the danger, the tension of Hulk and his rampages takes away any pathos for Bruce and how he deals with it. It also means that Hulk isn't CONSCIOUSLY making decisions on morality. Having it all done subconsciously like some stupid plot device is just incredibly contrived and shallow. It takes away any development or responsibility for Hulk, as an individual. It takes away from any guilt and pain for Banner, as an individual.

 

[Kirmit]

It makes it stupid because it cheats Hulk out of depth and development . Not to mention any sense of tension or danger. Also, any time we have actually seen people hurt by one of Hulk's rampages (which is many) it means he did it on purpose.

I don't understand this at all.

 

[The Morningstar]

It cheats him out of development because Hulk is not making conscious decisions. Who needs a sense of morality when some silly magic calculations give you an easy out?

Besides all that the idea of someone having what amounts to a giant hissy fit being able to subconsciously calculate ways to destroy buildings without hurting anyone is just ****ing stupid, even for comic books. He's not a reality warper, he's a guy having a fit of rage.