The Dark Knight The Official Katie Holmes/Rachel Dawes Thread!!

[Seen]

I don't think killing off Rachel would be too much. Look at DAREDEVIL -- yes, Elektra was resurrected for her stupid spin-off, but still. And look at Jean Grey getting killed in X-MEN 3 (and X2, for that matter).

And I have a distinct feeling that MJ will probably die in SPIDER-MAN 3, thus the introduction of Gwen Stacy. So Rachel's death wouldn't hurt the film, far from it. It would probably give the story more dramatic juice, especially if she's involved with Harvey Dent.

 

[Excel]

in those movies it was a crucial plot point, it would be kind of pointless here.

 

[Seen]

in those movies it was a crucial plot point, it would be kind of pointless here.

Not unless Rachel was dating Harvey Dent. If Bruce still has feelings for her (which he might) and The Joker kills Rachel, then not only does it send Bruce into a tailspin but also Harvey, perhaps even progressing his evolution into Two-Face. So it would be very crucial, considering the closeness that Bruce and Rachel have being childhood friends and all.

 

[Excel]

it would work i guess.

but i still think thatd flat out make the movie to dark. she was one of the only "warm" characters in begins, and killing her would make it too darlk in my opinon.

id rather they just add a new love interest and then kill her and keep rachel.

 

[7Hells]

I thought both Alfred and Lucias were "warm characters".
We know TDK will be darker so Rachael dying is a possibility.

 

[kingdomhearts]

Seen - Ive hearing about rumors of MJ dying too especially that Dunst is very vocal that she does not wonna play the character too long in fear of being typecast. B&R clearly will have lingering feelings for each other but being Batman prevents their relationship from having normalcy.
I also think there has to be something that will cause a major rift in the Bruce and Harvey friendship so who knows what that would be.
I dont want Rachel hooking up with Dent but anything's possible.

Excel - funny how most actresses are in a midlife crisis and doing botox etc and trying all things to make themselves young while we want Katie looking older. You're right having a baby made Katie looked more womanly and the media even said a lot more voluptous.*yowza*

this is 2 weeks after giving birth -
http://www.katieholmespictures.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=300&pos=677

Awwwwww Alfred and Rachel -
http://www.katieholmespictures.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=878&pos=28

I hope someone will post the Vanity Fair pictures of Katie here with her baby which is highly anticipated and the news already said its out this Tuesday. THANKS IN ADVANCE!

 

[spanish39]

Just cause the chick was in the first film as a love interest does not mean she is untouchable. Killing Alfred and killing rachel are too different things here. Killing Rachel is not going to dark for Batman, come on with that. Women have been raped among other things in Batman so thats out the window already. Killing Rachel will only intensify Batman and take out a character that has no real buisness being there in the first place. You kill two birds with one stone so to speak. No one will miss Katie Holmes except the dates you brought to the last film who had a girl to connect with lol. She does not really have enough interest to have a huge role in the next film and by killing her that only pisses Batman/ Bruce off more and justifies why he is Batman in the first place. Besides, Joker has to kill people to be Joker lol, he might as well start by taking someone close to Bruce and knocking off a minor character. It can only make the relationship between Joker and Bats more interesting for us to watch.

Bruce should be knocking all kinds of boots in this franchise, not just one pair lol. This is the kind of buisness guy who would be partying at the mansion with Hef if he was not Batman in his spare time.

 

[Mr. Vice]

Just cause the chick was in the first film as a love interest does not mean she is untouchable. Killing Alfred and killing rachel are too different things here. Killing Rachel is not going to dark for Batman, come on with that. Women have been raped among other things in Batman so thats out the window already. Killing Rachel will only intensify Batman and take out a character that has no real buisness being there in the first place. You kill two birds with one stone so to speak. No one will miss Katie Holmes except the dates you brought to the last film who had a girl to connect with lol. She does not really have enough interest to have a huge role in the next film and by killing her that only pisses Batman/ Bruce off more and justifies why he is Batman in the first place. Besides, Joker has to kill people to be Joker lol, he might as well start by taking someone close to Bruce and knocking off a minor character. It can only make the relationship between Joker and Bats more interesting for us to watch.

Bruce should be knocking all kinds of boots in this franchise, not just one pair lol. This is the kind of buisness guy who would be partying at the mansion with Hef if he was not Batman in his spare time.

I agree. The "Rachel" character wouldn't really have much more to do in the next film, other than go out on a date or two with Bruce, which is unnecessary. I really want to see Batman on the edge in this one, so her death would be the perfect fuel for Batman's rage and it would make for some great scenes in The Dark Knight.

 

[aquiles]

^^^

As I said, killing Rachel will be just like killing Lois Lane or MJ.

That would make TDK as too dark movie, what also isn't right.

this is batman we are talking about, so this chracter can go as dark as posible like in the COMICS,this not superman or spider-man,and why isnt right?this is batman.you want a light batman go watch batman & robin dude.

 

[Cinemaman]

this is batman we are talking about, so this chracter can go as dark as posible like in the COMICS,this not superman or spider-man,and why isnt right?this is batman.you want a light batman go watch batman & robin dude.

Lets start talking without attacking, ok?

Why we need darker Batman (BTW, in BB he was enough dark)? It just doesn't make sense.

At the end, as we know, he sends Joker to the Arkham for a trial, which will be started in 3rd movie.

So we don't need unnecessary stuff like killing Rachel. Why?

Because Joker will scar Dent (partner of Batman) and turn him into 2Face. And now this will be time for Bruce to become even darker and colder person.

 

[diagonbruce]

As I mentioned on the other thread we are getting to be like the pathetic onslaught like X-Men with the Professor,Jean and Cyclops dying.
Now we had Finch,Rachel,looney Harvey and who else would be on the body bags? Who will be our D.A. once Harvey goes looney?
I dont listen to reasonings that Katie sucks because she's with Tommy or because she's not from the comics. I know TPTB diverge from the comics and some diehards have issues with that. I and other fans I chat with and converse offline even many critics said movies take a different road and it does not have to be 100% comic based and they should be allowed to do so and ought to be judged on the merits of that detour.

I cite Lord of the Rings by Peter Jackson when Arwen(Liv Tyler) whose role was bit expanded and even became Aragorn's soulmate when she only appeared a page from the book. Overall LOTR was golden and went down in cinematic lure as a milestone.

My own idea: Rachel leaves Gotham for a Govt. job. I know I know some say she cant leave Gotham because she loves Gotham but I see idealistic Rachel if given the chance to make a difference in a larger scale she would do it. This tones down the romance angle again and leaves room for more action and Joker development. Part 3 Harvey is now Two-Face and the chaos in Gotham just never ends and its beginning to eat up Batman after all he's only human. WE ALL get burned out too in life right?
This is where Rachel comes in to help out the D.A.'s office again and also still encourage Bruce not to give up being Batman.
Remember her line? "Maybe someday when Gotham no longer needs Gotham I will see him again" with Bruce having dilemmas this could be the time they finally give in to their long suppressed feelings.
But on the night of one of their big dinner dates at the mansion Rachel will never make it dying from a car accident. A big twist that Rachel dies not in the hands of a criminal but part of life's tragic nature.
This is where Bruce Wayne becomes dead and once again he is just fated to be Batman. Its a reminder to us that Batman lives a sad life and will dawn to diehards and casual fans why Batman is not a happily ever after guy or happily married hero. ( I know this idea sucks anyway but cant help for my fantasies).

Whatever gameplan Nolan & Co.has I hope its original and much coolness to it.

 

[agentdawes]

Not bad Diagonbruce especially Ive read worst scenarios.

 

[Retroman]

First pic of Katie (looking slim) and her baby daughter Suri on the cover of Vanity Fair. Like or hate them you can't deny they have a beautiful child and if my eyes don't decieve me Suri looks a lot like her mom.

Source: http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/pressroom/

 

[Excel]

theres another pic; shes got tom's jaw, but everything else looks like its katies, especially the eyes and nose.

i dont see why, because we have a non-love interest female characer, that she has to die. i mean, was gordon REALLY needed? if you think about it, no. but hes still around and in the comics.

theres more reason to keep her then there is to kill her.

keeping her gives another character whome, besides alfred, bruce can be himself around. Gives him a link to the d.a. AND could pose a very interesting story line if she hs any sort of relationship with harvey dent, friends or more then friends.

killing her only serves as a way to get bruce pissed at joker but hes batman and jokers a murderer so batman should be pissed any way. making it personal would make it so batman was after REVENGE, when hes really out for JUSTICE.

 

[agentdawes]

Thanks guys and you all beat me to it. Its all over the news and news has it that many newstands in NY and L.A. are already sold out with the magazines. For the Katie lovers more look of slim Katie
watching www.splashnews.com

I can understand why they protected Suri because after watching this videos some people and the papparazzis are going mad.
How aggressive can they be and the bodyguards needs some assistance from Batman.

Suri is so cute and yes looking more like hot mommy but the hair is so Tom Cruise.

 

[7Hells]

So I guess the press finally paid as much as Brangelina's baby pic.
That or this is a publicity stunt to distract us from Tom Cruise getting fired for being a complete wacko.

 

[agentdawes]

Paramount and Cruise as the media said boils down to bucks and behavior.
I dont blame Paramount too because he's too expensive and the movie industry today is struggling to entice moviegoers to the theatres.
Warner Bros. was even down on their movie business except their dvd sales and time warner cable and SR,Poseidon and Lady in the Water didnt help. The most successful studio right now is still Disney.
Family entertainment still rules.
Warner,many studios rally towards Tom because they still wonna work with him from Brian Grazer,Spielberg,Jerry Bruckheimer you name it.
Big companies are behind him too from Yahoo,Excel,Google you name it.
I agree with Peter Hammond these takes off the load off Tom's shoulders from blockbusters and he can do whatever artistic route he wants to do with his own company and do real movies.
Even Matt Lauer even defended him that many stars are worst especially stars that go in and out of rehab.

Warner Bros. are interested but still awaiting their other Golden Boy Clint Eastwood to deliver another Oscar and hopefully a box office hit they desperately need with Flags of our Fathers.
This isnt the 40's anymore where stars are bound to one studio.
Warner likes Tom after getting no salary from Last Samurai.

 

[xanberkeley]

I wonna pinch Suri's face. Her eyes are so beautiful similar to Katie who has been known to have such beautiful eyes herself.

Thank you Retroman and Excel.

 

[kingdomhearts]

No wonder Tom is couch jumping from having a hot soon to be wife and exotic beauty daughter. Saw all this on the Couric news and Larry King and the photos are free. I can hear the **** around the world from the other tabloids while VF got millions for it.(cue in Joker's laughter).
My thanks to Retroman,Excel and AgentDawes.
I enjoyed the video too on Katie. She is sexy and the baby weight are all gone.

 

[spanish39]

But who the hell cares about her baby or Tom Cruise. I though alot of you people didn't care about their personal lives. Hell, lol, thats probably someone elses baby.

I hope she had a kid actualy, because then maybe she will quit acting all together and take of that kid and sponge off of Cruise's millions. Then we will never see her again in Batman. They can just say she left for some other random place that does not matter, or really they don't even need to say where Rachel went cause who cares except about 10 people on this one thread.

 

[diagonbruce]

This is a Rachel-Katie Holmes thread so fans here can post whatever suits the character and actress. Holmes has a few fans?
That's only myth among the same group of haters which is still outnumbered by her many TV and movie supporters.

 

[agentdawes]

Love it or hate it Katie's got a strong backup too. It's a fact Americans or people in general love gossip. Hell many Americans dont know much about their U.S.history or World history but they know Oprah,Johnny Depp and Tom Cruise.

 

[7Hells]

Hey if thats the case no one would have a problem casting Gyllenhaal as Dent just because of the gossip that would insue.

 

[spanish39]

Holmes has a few fans....

exactly.

 

[xanberkeley]

So Jett from BOF lies too when he says that Katie has lots of supporters.

On Larry King live Jane Sarkin Editor of Vanity Fair said Katie loves being a mom and her career when ask by Larry what's up with her movie career.
Many scripts are being offered to her and she's been reading some already. Larry said if Tom wants her to quit and Jane said no because they both love their work. Tom encourages her to pick projects that she only loves. Jane added that we will hear soon what projects she will do.
And that *many people* are looking forward to her movie comeback.