The Dark Knight The Rachel Dawes thread

[hey yo its sean]

As well argued and non-inflammatory as usual.

Okay.

 

[Hunter Rider]

alot of you are saying maggie doesn't have to be beautiful because rachel dawes is a DA, & it'll be more realistic this way. i'm confused, do you mean beautiful women arn't capable of being DA's, DA's are never beautiful, or what? i dunno if u meant to be insulting (probably not), but as a woman i find those ideas pretty insulting, so i suggest ppl stop using that arguement.

Well said,some seem to take this counter argument to the extreme and miss the whole point.

 

[Milkman95]

Yeah, and most of the time...it sucks.

People aren't complaing that Gyllenhaal is cast as Rachel Dawes moreso than people are complaining about the whole need to recast IN GENERAL and how much of a distraction it can be.

And please tell me that whole cosmetic surgery line was a joke.

Most of the time it sucks? Tell that to Daniel Craig.......

 

[Hunter Rider]

Most of the time it sucks? Tell that to Daniel Craig.......

It's not the same,when Bond is recast the whole Bond world is rebooted around him,it's a fresh start where as here we have a character being recast into an ongoing world.

 

[CConn]

I am honestly shocked people care this much about Gyllenhaal's looks. I mean, my god, unless she weighed 300 lbs and had a hair lip, I really don't see how it's worth this much discussion and debate and obsessing over.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I am honestly shocked people care this much about Gyllenhaal's looks. I mean, my god, unless she weighed 300 lbs and had a hair lip, I really don't see how it's worth this much discussion and debate and obsessing over.

What you got against rolly polly chicks and hairlips ?

It has gotten to this like most things on the hype b/c opinions are always argued over

Poster 1:i don't find her attractive at all

poster 2: she is hawt,you fanboy in your basement couldn't do beterrlolz

and so the cycle begins,each needing to out shout the other

 

[pyromaniac]

It's not the same,when Bond is recast the whole Bond world is rebooted around him,it's a fresh start where as here we have a character being recast into an ongoing world.

To be fair - for sake of argument, we could just blame Katie Holmes and her schedual conflicts.

I thought we'd be happy with what we got, because after all considering the circumstances, Katie Holmes is sort of more of a distraction as far as visibility of her off-screen life goes, than Maggie Gyllenhaal is.

I don't see the problem. Plus, the latter is a much better actress and would seem to be able to hold her own in a steller cast.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Like somebody said earlier, I didn't think Maggie's actually the problem. And it's not that people were exactly in love with Katie Holmes, either.

It's just the idea of recasting a character who seems (to the people who are complaining) to be a pointless character to begin with, and that the easier and less distracting solution would've been to just cut the character completely. The situation isn't comparable to recasting Bond or Batman, etc...because those recasts are necessary to keep the series going. Rachel isn't needed to keep it going. Or so some people think.

I see where they're coming from, as I was never fond of the character to begin with; but I trust Nolan's decision. If she wasn't needed, she would've been cut. She must be vital to the story and simply could not be cut without serious overhauls.

I think most would agree - I'd rather have a new Rachel than major rewrites that could've causes serious delays or a weakened plot.

 

[ultimatefan]

alot of you are saying maggie doesn't have to be beautiful because rachel dawes is a DA, & it'll be more realistic this way. i'm confused, do you mean beautiful women arn't capable of being DA's, DA's are never beautiful, or what? i dunno if u meant to be insulting (probably not), but as a woman i find those ideas pretty insulting, so i suggest ppl stop using that arguement.

Don´t distort it, what I, at least, mean is she doesn´t have to look like a Carmem Electra or Pamela Anderson type, and actually I don´t know many DAs who look like that... Beautiful is in the eye of the beholder, and while I don´t think Gyllenhall or Holmes are exactly "sex goddesses" I find them attractive women. What I find insulting is every female casting on the boards becomes about the actress being "hot enough" or not, often much more than about her being a good actress or not. Arguably one of the best young actresses out there is getting pages and pages of hard time just because she isn´t the supermodel type.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Don´t distort it, what I, at least, mean is she doesn´t have to look like a Carmem Electra or Pamela Anderson type, and actually I don´t know many DAs who look like that... Beautiful is in the eye of the beholder, and while I don´t think Gyllenhall or Holmes are exactly "sex goddesses" I find them attractive women. What I find insulting is every female casting on the boards becomes about the actress being "hot enough" or not, often much more than about her being a good actress or not. Arguably one of the best young actresses out there is getting pages and pages of hard time just because she isn´t the supermodel type.

What i see is a lot of guys suggesting actressess that portray both aspects to them(Talent/Looks)

 

[ultimatefan]

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[ultimatefan]

What i see is a lot of guys suggesting actressess that portray both aspects to them(Talent/Looks)

Again, why is looks such an "aspect" of it? I can reverse the argument, of coruse a "beautiful" woman, whatever that means, can be a district attorney, but does the district attorney HAS to be "beautiful", or at least what some people define as beautiful? Deep down, we´re simply arguing people´s personal taste on women, and if the director has to try to please everyone on that, it´s gonna drive him crazy. He has to get the actress he thinks is right for the part, simple as that.

Or let me put it another way... I think Angelina Jolie is one of the hottest women alive and a talented actress... But she´s the last person I´d like to see playing Rachel, I think she´d overly sexualize a role that isn´t meant to be that. Catwoman, that´s a different story...

 

[Hunter Rider]

Again, why is looks such an "aspect" of it? I can reverse the argument, of coruse a "beautiful" woman, whatever that means, can be a district attorney, but does the district attorney HAS to be "beautiful", or at least what some people define as beautiful? Deep down, we´re simply arguing people´s personal taste on women, and if the director has to try to please everyone on that, it´s gonna drive him crazy. He has to get the actress he thinks is right for the part, simple as that.

The film is an action/adventure movie,in those usually there is a female lead that is universally found attractive for the most part.this film has one lead actress that is the reverse and therefore some are disappointed.

 

[itsthebatman]

The film is an action/adventure movie,in those usually there is a female lead that is universally found attractive for the most part.this film has one lead actress that is the reverse and therefore some are disappointed.

Anybody who wants to go to a Batman movie just to ogle any potential eye candy needs to reconsider their viewing choices. Just because we've been conditoned to accept good-looking yet poor actresses in these types of movies in the past doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. cast the right actress for the right part. Period.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Anybody who wants to go to a Batman movie just to ogle any potential eye candy needs to reconsider their viewing choices. Just because we've been conditoned to accept good-looking yet poor actresses in these types of movies in the past doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. cast the right actress for the right part. Period.

I never said they went just for that and i don't see anyone crying boycott i just see a few feeling disappointed as some of the other names mentioned provided BOTH ITO

 

[ultimatefan]

The film is an action/adventure movie,in those usually there is a female lead that is universally found attractive for the most part.this film has one lead actress that is the reverse and therefore some are disappointed.

The "reverse" comment is pretty unfair on Gyllenhall. She may not be what every man finds "hot as hell", but she does have attractive features. Plus a real director doesn´t cast based simply on what is supposed to be universally liked, especially Nolan, who´s not looking to do just the conventional action/adventure movie, the director has to cast who he thinks can portray the character he sees in his mind.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The "reverse" comment is pretty unfair on Gyllenhall. She may not be what every man finds "hot as hell", but she does have attractive features. Plus a real director doesn´t cast based simply on what is supposed to be universally liked, especially Nolan, who´s not looking to do just the conventional action/adventure movie, the director has to cast who he thinks can portray the character he sees in his mind.

By reverse i meant that she is far from universally thought of as attractive not that she isn't attractive to some and Nolan is good but i don't see him quite where you do i am afraid and i also don't think he cast who was right is quite true either,he got who he could is just as likely scenario,not many actresses want to be a recast.
Hell he wanted Natalie Portman but she wasn't gonna read for it.

 

[itsthebatman]

I am sick of this debate. i feel we're going round in circles and that there will be no agreement. I feel we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[ultimatefan]

By reverse i meant that she is far from universally thought of as attractive not that she isn't attractive to some and Nolan is good but i don't see him quite where you do i am afraid and i also don't think he cast who was right is quite true either,he got who he could is just as likely scenario,not many actresses want to be a recast.
Hell he wanted Natalie Portman but she wasn't gonna read for it.

Getting what you can is part of it, and it´s something out of the director´s control. Again, I don´t think of an actress like Gyllenhall as "we couldn´t get someone better".

BTW, I know many guys here find Portman incredibly attractive. So happens I myself don´t...

Regardless of what you think of Nolan´s qualities, he has made clear he doesn´t want to just do the conventional action/adventure movie, therefore his choices shouldn´t be analysed over that standard, that´s what I mean.

 

[ultimatefan]

I am sick of this debate. i feel we're going round in circles and that there will be no agreement. I feel we'll have to agree to disagree.

I´m hearing ya...t:

 

[Hunter Rider]

I am sick of this debate. i feel we're going round in circles and that there will be no agreement. I feel we'll have to agree to disagree.

As am i,i was only pointing out that as long as they put their point tastefully i don't see any issue with some being a bit dissapointed

Getting what you can is part of it, and it´s something out of the director´s control. Again, I don´t think of an actress like Gyllenhall as "we couldn´t get someone better".

I guess we'll just agreed to disagree

BTW, I know many guys here find Portman incredibly attractive. So happens I myself don´t...

Funny you seem to find all the other candidates not so attractive but like Maggieanyway Nat fits my point on the universal aspect nicely.

Regardless of what you think of Nolan´s qualities, he has made clear he doesn´t want to just do the conventional action/adventure movie, therefore his choices shouldn´t be analysed over that standard, that´s what I mean.

I think what he wants is just that and he is gonna be analysed by the standards set by those that laid the table for him.

 

[itsthebatman]

I´m hearing ya...t:

Loud and clear, buddyt:

 

[Hunter Rider]

Now that Maggie is definite ive renamed the thread

 

[Substance D]

Regardless of what you think of Nolan´s qualities, he has made clear he doesn´t want to just do the conventional action/adventure movie, therefore his choices shouldn´t be analysed over that standard, that´s what I mean.

Go rewatch the third act of Begins. Nolan fits almost every action movie cliche in it.

 

[hey yo its sean]

You should start doing those DC Re-designs again. I liked those. Most of them, anyway.