The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - Part 12

[I Am The Knight]

That Not-Doom looks better than Trank's "Doom".

 

[Vader's Fist]

Infinity War and Avengers 4 will blow away all competition in 2018 and 2019, including Fox's own slate. Of that, I'm certain. Grasping at straws, though, what if this prompts Fox to start striking a deal with Marvel? After all, one of the reasons that Sony agreed to the deal was that Spider-Man was starting to become overshadowed by the likes of Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

[NotNickFury]

No, it's because Amazing Spider-Man 2 was a poor film and not much Sony would've done with just one franchise and characters with no clear vision outside of spin-offs. After all, Days of Future Past and Winter Soldier came out in the same year, but neither overshadowed the other and made it seem like Fox had to make some sort of deal.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Fox has FAR more motivation to make a deal than Sony did. ASM2 wasn't enough to kill the franchise. They would have had to step back and re-evaluate what direction they wanted to go (it might have been as simple as hiring a new director), but Sony was perfectly capable, with the right choices, of reviving Spider-man on their own.

Fox isn't. They have made so many bad films and the last one was SO terrible that they have squandered all good will they once had with fans and they're in a much worse situation with FF than Sony was with Spider-Man.

And as Vader touches on Fox's own X-Films crowd out another FF effort, so Fox should (and probably is) seriously interested in a deal.

The problem is Marvel doesn't have as much motivation to deal and they could play hard-ball.

 

[NotNickFury]

The last Fox related comic book film was Logan. That was so terrible? You didn't specify.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The last Fox related comic book film was Logan. That was so terrible? You didn't specify.

I was talking about Fantastic Four.

 

[Darth_Spock]

I was talking about Fantastic Four.

I think he knew you were referring to Fan4stic. He just wanted to throw Logan's success in the discussion. Not that it changes Fox's Non-Xmen-Marvel track record any. What is that like 0-5...?

Yeah, I get what you were saying, please continue with the fascinating "FF" Intel w/o further interruption.

 

[NotNickFury]

No, not 'throwing' anything. Since he said the last one, and since that was Logan- and it'd be fine if someone disliked it- figured that was it. I see it wasn't.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

No, not 'throwing' anything. Since he said the last one, and since that was Logan- and it'd be fine if someone disliked it- figured that was it. I see it wasn't.

I think you have to divide the Fox properties into two very distinct units. Most X-Men fans are satisfied with what they're getting, so they'll show up to New Mutants or Dark Phoenix films - even if initial reviews aren't great, trailers aren't impressive etc.

But it's a completely different story with FF. After 3 films that haven't broken out of the 30's on RT and the last one being completely miserable in every imaginable way, they've lost the interest of both hard-core fans like me and more casual fans.

So FF is in much worse shape than Spidey was after ASM2 and Fox will either have to partner with Marvel or hire Ridley Scott to get me - the closest thing to a sure sale they had 4 years ago - to show up.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Here's a dose of hope from the past:

From Wikipedia, how the rights to Iron Man returned to Marvel

By July 2000, the film was being written for New Line by Ted Elliott, Terry Rossio,[31][35] and Tim McCanlies.[36] McCanlies' script used the idea of a Nick Fury cameo to set up his own film.[31] In June 2001, New Line entered talks with Joss Whedon, a fan of the character, to direct,[37] and in December 2002, McCanlies had turned in a completed script.[38] In December 2004, the studio attached director Nick Cassavetes to the project for a target 2006 release.[39] Screenplay drafts were written by Alfred Gough, Miles Millar, and David Hayter, and pitted Iron Man against his father Howard Stark, who becomes War Machine. After two years of unsuccessful development, and the deal with Cassavetes falling through, New Line Cinema returned the film rights to Marvel.[40]

 

[InCali]

Here's a dose of hope from the past:

From Wikipedia, how the rights to Iron Man returned to Marvel

That was a different deal because of the over the top success of SH movies these days. X-Men prolly started that ball and we got lucky with a kick ass movie (IM) having a vision that upppppppppped everything.

The funny (funny odd and not funny haha) thing is that Marvel has made FF more valuable by their success.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

So FF is in much worse shape than Spidey was after ASM2 and Fox will either have to partner with Marvel or hire Ridley Scott to get me - the closest thing to a sure sale they had 4 years ago - to show up.

Yeah, considering how much of a letdown Alien Covenant was, even that wouldn't entice me for another Fant4stic.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah, considering how much of a letdown Alien Covenant was, even that wouldn't entice me for another Fant4stic.

And this is a key point, because for me they might have to do X, for you they might have to do Y. Across the board, they would basically have to do EVERYTHING right.

They don't have the luxury of getting it 80% right and having people show up. They'll have to sell us. In my case, that selling will be very difficult, in some cases it will be impossible.

In the mid 2000's all they needed was the F4 name to get my and many other people's money. Those days are long gone and they now have an antifan-base as opposed to a fan-base.

Fantastic Four has negative value. Think about it. A general, generic property that nobody has ever heard of would have more chance of success than Fantastic Four (or Dr. Doom) at this point.

 

[Vader's Fist]

Jamie Bell speaking about his feelings on the movie:

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...e/news-story/15f9e21fe9bd0607ae38305ee46ed2c8

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Jamie Bell speaking about his feelings on the movie:

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...e/news-story/15f9e21fe9bd0607ae38305ee46ed2c8

I love stufff like this: Insiders told The Hollywood Reporter that the director “holed up in a tent and cut himself off from everybody,” during filming.



I really want to see the behind-the-scenes story of this one day.

 

[Orba]

I love stufff like this: Insiders told The Hollywood Reporter that the director “holed up in a tent and cut himself off from everybody,” during filming.



I really want to see the behind-the-scenes story of this one day.

I remember during production when there were rumours that he was doing that sort of stuff.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I remember during production when there were rumours that he was doing that sort of stuff.

This is the thing, we heard rumors of some really flaky things going on. Since then, we've had confirmation that, yeah, things were sort of weird, but without a whole lot of details.

I suspect we haven't even heard the most interesting bits yet.t:

 

[Dark Raven]

I love stufff like this: Insiders told The Hollywood Reporter that the director “holed up in a tent and cut himself off from everybody,” during filming.



I really want to see the behind-the-scenes story of this one day.

It was obviously an intense (in tents) experience.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

Jamie Bell speaking about his feelings on the movie:

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...e/news-story/15f9e21fe9bd0607ae38305ee46ed2c8

I have a hard time believing that Bell could have been happy with his role in the movie because his character was SO marginalized by the story.

Let's see ...
Was interested in Reed's work after he found him stealing parts from the junkyard.
Somehow -- best buds in High School, where he was pretty much relegated to sidekick status.
Called at last minute to go on drunken joy ride to another dimension.
Turned into the Thing -- whose main action on a TV screen before being tasked to capture Reed.
Sucked into another dimensional trip to hit Doom a couple of times.
Then when all is said and done, seems pretty comfortable when they get their new headquarters.

They never satisfactorily built up his character to the point you would even care about his condition -- not sure how excited he could have been to go in for a sequel.

 

[InCali]

I think you have to divide the Fox properties into two very distinct units. Most X-Men fans are satisfied with what they're getting, so they'll show up to New Mutants or Dark Phoenix films - even if initial reviews aren't great, trailers aren't impressive etc.

But it's a completely different story with FF. After 3 films that haven't broken out of the 30's on RT and the last one being completely miserable in every imaginable way, they've lost the interest of both hard-core fans like me and more casual fans.

So FF is in much worse shape than Spidey was after ASM2 and Fox will either have to partner with Marvel or hire Ridley Scott to get me - the closest thing to a sure sale they had 4 years ago - to show up.

Frankly, Fox hasn't done THAT well with X movies. There have been some good ones for sure, but there have been a lot of stinkers too. I'd call their performance VERY uneven. In the FF world, it's been VERY even.......if you catch my drift....

People can say what they like about Marvel, but they haven't made anything even remotely close to some of the stinkers Fox (and Sony for that matter) have.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Frankly, Fox hasn't done THAT well with X movies. There have been some good ones for sure, but there have been a lot of stinkers too. I'd call their performance VERY uneven. In the FF world, it's been VERY even.......if you catch my drift....

People can say what they like about Marvel, but they haven't made anything even remotely close to some of the stinkers Fox (and Sony for that matter) have.

They could be on shaky ground if the next few films suck (and I think Simon Kinberg's Dark Phoenix is likely to suck... I almost abbreviated that as DP, but thought better of it ) they could be in trouble. If they continue to rehash the same themes and continue to throw too many characters at audiences without developing any of them, they're likely to be in trouble.

As I'm looking forward to Defenders, I'm realizing Marvel did the same thing with the Defenders as they did with the Avengers. They introduced the individual characters in their own shows, so we got to know and like them, and now it should be fun to see those unique, well-defined characters interact.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why Fox isn't doing something similar with their X-Characters.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

did anyone watch moviebobs pitch for a MCU fantastic four

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im gonna be honest it may not be ground breaking but i wouldnt mind something like that

 

[NealKenneth]

They introduced the individual characters in their own shows, so we got to know and like them, and now it should be fun to see those unique, well-defined characters interact.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why Fox isn't doing something similar with their X-Characters.

I do not think that would work as well with the X-Men. Only Wolverine really has a history of working well on his own. Better to take the Guardians route and introduce a core team with a new member or two every film.

did anyone watch moviebobs pitch for a MCU fantastic four

I watched these when they came out and I did not like them, especially because he seemed to be obsessed with casting Mr Fantastic in a negative light.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I do not think that would work as well with the X-Men. Only Wolverine really has a history of working well on his own. Better to take the Guardians route and introduce a core team with a new member or two every film.

Specifically, I think the characters are too similar to each other.

A teenager discovers that they are a mutant during a time of extreme stress/hardship that causes their powers to manifest. Ostracized by society they come into contact with Professor Charles Xavier who teaches them how to control and use their powers alongside other mutants to protect those that hate and fear them.

That statement describes like 95% of X-Men characters. The only thing that changes is their looks and powers and a few specific details.

 

[Jordacar]

did anyone watch moviebobs pitch for a MCU fantastic four

im gonna be honest it may not be ground breaking but i wouldnt mind something like that

I'm still iffy on the 1960s displacement, but I LOOOOOVED his version of Puppet Master. That'd be such a boss way to kick things off.