The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - Part 12

[Flint Marko]

Same. But I'm certainly leaning towards the retro take. It'd be so cool, but I don't know how you handle Doom with that. I don't think I want another story where Doom tags along on the origin.

 

[random_havoc]

I completely hate the idea of doing it retro for reasons others have already said, just adding in my vote.
Even if Marvel Studios was doing it I wouldn't watch that in theatres.
All they'd do is stick themselves in the same screwed up position the X movies currently are where they can't have their characters interact now without some dumb time travel shoehorned in (On that note if Fox had any brains they'd have rebooted everything except for Deadpool since he's the only character that people are really responding to right now. Start the others off fresh and in the present where they should be)

 

[Dark Raven]

Same. But I'm certainly leaning towards the retro take. It'd be so cool, but I don't know how you handle Doom with that. I don't think I want another story where Doom tags along on the origin.

Doom would be thinking "Here I go again for a third time in this rocket. It never ends well, so why do I do this stuff? Better prepare for a cosmic **** storm."

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Same. But I'm certainly leaning towards the retro take. It'd be so cool, but I don't know how you handle Doom with that. I don't think I want another story where Doom tags along on the origin.

With a retro film, the FF and Doom's origin could be exactly like they were in the comics, but I wouldn't spend much time showing the origins of either. That would just be backstory that could be mentioned as appropriate.

And FF annual #2 works much better in a 1960's setting (which would put Doom as a child in Latveria back in the '30s). That's one big advantage of a retro setting. It would be difficult to do Doom and Latveria as they were portrayed in the comics in a modern setting. It works much better at a time fascism was spreading across Europe.

 

[Zarex]

The great thing about Doom is that with his vast financial resources, amazing technical prowess and mystical abilities he is basically immortal. You can have a vibrant young Victor causing trouble in the 60s and have nonagenarian version kept alive by magical and mechanical means in the present day without hand waving it ala the X-Men series.

I could see Victor threatening both NATO and the Warsaw Pact during the cold war. This leads to the Soviets and US agents working together to overthrow the Latverian monarch, with the help of the guy who knew him best during his college days. (Hint - That's exactly what Victor wants!)

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The great thing about Doom is that with his vast financial resources, amazing technical prowess and mystical abilities he is basically immortal. You can have a vibrant young Victor causing trouble in the 60s and have nonagenarian version kept alive by magical and mechanical means in the present day without hand waving it ala the X-Men series.

I could see Victor threatening both NATO and the Warsaw Pact during the cold war. This leads to the Soviets and US agents working together to overthrow the Latverian monarch, with the help of the guy who knew him best during his college days. (Hint - That's exactly what Victor wants!)

One interesting element also is that if they show Doom as a complete badass in the 60's and then have both him and the FF disappear and come back in modern times, it could be an interesting: "Yay, the FF is back! ....Oh sh*** so is Doom." moment.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

At this point... a time displaced Fantastic Four would be redundant in the Fox or MCU.

Currently, that's Captain America's gimmick, and with the recent announcement that Captain Marvel will take place in the 90's - it's a sure bet she'll get the time displacement treatment as well.

Throw in that Wonder Woman's origin begins in World War I and I think we've covered the time jump bases for super hero films.

 

[Zarex]

At this point... a time displaced Fantastic Four would be redundant in the Fox or MCU.

Currently, that's Captain America's gimmick, and with the recent announcement that Captain Marvel will take place in the 90's - it's a sure bet she'll get the time displacement treatment as well.

Throw in that Wonder Woman's origin begins in World War I and I think we've covered the time jump bases for super hero films.

I prefer we use the term "actuality inconvenienced" instead of "time displaced". There's no need to look down on those who through no fault of their own are not in the present day.

And time dis......I mean actuality inconveniencing makes a lot of sense in a connected universe. It solves the ever growing problem of "Where was SUPERHERO X when BAD THING Y happened?". It allows you to tell unique stories in interesting historical periods with characters at different stages in their lives.

It also allows for easier recasting and opens up a greater variety of stories while maintaining some degree of continuity. The other option, which DC seems to be pondering with the Joker solo news, is breaking continuity altogether with "Elseworlds" flicks. I'd prefer the MCU go the time dis.....actuality inconveniencing route and give us a turn of the century story with Kazar, a old timey western with the Two Gun Kid, another Cap story in WWII, and yes, a 60s FF flick. And have all those time dis....actuality inconvenienced folks meet up in Avengers 7: Kang's Krosstime Kaper!

 

[Darth_Spock]

At this point... a time displaced Fantastic Four would be redundant in the Fox or MCU.

Currently, that's Captain America's gimmick, and with the recent announcement that Captain Marvel will take place in the 90's - it's a sure bet she'll get the time displacement treatment as well.

Throw in that Wonder Woman's origin begins in World War I and I think we've covered the time jump bases for super hero films.

Fascinating....


Time and time again.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Personally, I think they could do a futuristic series of MCU F4 movies, resulting in the F4 of the 22nd century getting stuck in the modern day. Silly things like the Fantasticar and HERBIE could be realistic and still cool (i.e. not look like Honda's Asimo lol) And even Reed's personality might find a better niche as a future man.

Wouldn't be wholly comic accurate, but might be a legitimate and logical change to the mythos.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Personally, I think they could do a futuristic series of MCU F4 movies, resulting in the F4 of the 22nd century getting stuck in the modern day. Silly things like the Fantasticar and HERBIE could be realistic and still cool (i.e. not look like Honda's Asimo lol) And even Reed's personality might find a better niche as a future man.

Wouldn't be wholly comic accurate, but might be a legitimate and logical change to the mythos.

That would be an interesting twist, but I'm beginning to be a little afraid that either Marvel or Fox might try to shake things up by doing something off-the-wall and I really want to, at some point, see the FF I remember from the comic books.

Fox hasn't really given us that yet. I'd like to see the FF and Doom with their real personalities, characteristics, circumstances and visuals done right.

My biggest problem with the Fox films was that they never captured the key elements of the comic books. Ideally, I'd like to see future efforts set themselves apart from previous efforts by actually being accurate and good as opposed to trying different angles.

As long as it's Marvel, I'm willing to give them a chance with something different, but I hope they don't go different for different's sake.

 

[babykhris]

We all don't want to see another Fantastic Four film from FOX, so if you're Marvel/Disney what would you do? Wait FOX out or make a deal.

I'd make a deal. Here's my offer

$300 million plus ownership of the Ultraverse for FF and complete merchandise rights to Deadpool. FOX gets characters Marvel might never use and can build an universe around.

 

[Zarex]

We all don't want to see another Fantastic Four film from FOX, so if you're Marvel/Disney what would you do? Wait FOX out or make a deal.

I'd make a deal. Here's my offer

$300 million plus ownership of the Ultraverse for FF and complete merchandise rights to Deadpool. FOX gets characters Marvel might never use and can build an universe around.

The $300M alone would be an extremely generous offer given the fact that the FF series hasn't earned FOX a dime in well over a decade. I doubt Marvel would have a problem giving up the Ultraverse given the rights complications, but I don't see why FOX would want those characters. But Deadpool merchandising rights would be a non starter. Between clothing, video games and toys Wade is easily a top 5 Marvel character for Disney Consumer Products.

 

[babykhris]

The $300M alone would be an extremely generous offer given the fact that the FF series hasn't earned FOX a dime in well over a decade. I doubt Marvel would have a problem giving up the Ultraverse given the rights complications, but I don't see why FOX would want those characters. But Deadpool merchandising rights would be a non starter. Between clothing, video games and toys Wade is easily a top 5 Marvel character for Disney Consumer Products.

In my deal Marvel gets total ownership of Deadpool merchandise.

 

[NealKenneth]

$200 million for Fantastic Four and all associated lore, just to get the conversation started. I would not try to do any sort of deal involving the X-Men for now.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think Fox would accept a cash deal well under $100 million if such an offer were on the table.

 

[Flint Marko]

I didn't even realize that Fox had any claim to Deadpool merchandise rights.

 

[wobbly]

I didn't even realize that Fox had any claim to Deadpool merchandise rights.

As I understand it Fox get a cut of movie related merch for their efforts (Marvel takes over 50% of the profits from that). Not sure they have any claim to comic based merch.*

If not then Fox going comic faithful with Deadpools design was a gift. Marvel can pump out regular comic based stuff (which they did) and leave Fox hanging.

*As was pointed out to me a while back, Sony was getting a cut of all Spider-Man merch until they dealt that away. No idea if Marvel agreed the same terms with Fox.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Update:

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/08/24/fantastic-four-kids-kindergarten-heroes/

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Update:

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/08/24/fantastic-four-kids-kindergarten-heroes/

If they actually did this, there would be no ambiguity. It would clearly be a huge F*** YOU to fans as revenge for how "unfair" we treated them with Fant4stic.

World: Fox could never do anything worse than Fant4stic.

Fox: Hold my beer...

 

[Flint Marko]

*As was pointed out to me a while back, Sony was getting a cut of all Spider-Man merch until they dealt that away. No idea if Marvel agreed the same terms with Fox.

No way.... if they really let go of the merchandising rights when they had all the rights, they're the dumbest people on the planet.

 

[Crimz]

Update:

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/08/24/fantastic-four-kids-kindergarten-heroes/

....

This needs to stop. FOX is getting even more ridiculous!

 

[ADollarADay]

No way.... if they really let go of the merchandising rights when they had all the rights, they're the dumbest people on the planet.

They are the dumbest people on the planet. Sony had claims to 50% of all Spidey merch rights until Marvel sued them and they settled. This was prior to the 2009 acquisition. Sony then had claim to 25% of all Spidey merch rights until Disney made the 2011 deal where they paid a ton of money (185MM IIRC) plus paid a fee to Sony for all Spidey movies going forward. The latter stipulation has been tweaked a bit where they don't have to pay Sony as much if the movie achieves certain milestones at the BO.

Bottom line, they are that dumb. They gave away 50% of merch rights to arguably the most popular superhero in the world and the consequences of that are that - to this day - they have to pay a 3rd party licensee to use their product on movies. Think about that for a second. They pay someone else to use their product on film lol.

I wouldn't be surprised if Fox has claims to XMen, FF, and DP merchandise outside of just film as well.

 

[NotNickFury]

Per that article-

Because we have been led to believe from involved sources that the basis of Kindergarten Heroes

Well, as with any piece of comic book specific related news where it'd be easy to get wrapped up in rumors, until there's something official out, it's just that- a rumor from 'sources.' And if the past few months have been any indication, those 'sources' can often get it wrong. I wouldn't put it past Fox, but I'm not putting all my stock in an 'involved source.' That could be the janitor AT the Fox studio.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Per that article-



Well, as with any piece of comic book specific related news where it'd be easy to get wrapped up in rumors, until there's something official out, it's just that- a rumor from 'sources.' And if the past few months have been any indication, those 'sources' can often get it wrong. I wouldn't put it past Fox, but I'm not putting all my stock in an 'involved source.' That could be the janitor AT the Fox studio.

So should we just wait until Fox announces it, or should we say: "NO!!! That's an idiotic idea. Don't even think about it, Fox." in an attempt to prevent them from creating another terrible, terrible film?

You can do the former, I'll do the latter. Even if it's a 1 out of 100 chance of happening, that's too much.