The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - Part 13

[GoblinScrier]

It does my heart good to see so many of you discussing Doom....the ideas, the possibilities are limitless when it comes to Latveria's favorite monarch...I get chills at some of his epic dialogue he has said....

 

[Krystal]

My dream for phase 4 would be Doom working behind the scenes, pulling strings throughout ALL the movies to achieve world domination. He would know he couldn't beat Earth's combined heroes by brute force. Instead he manipulates everyone and in the final Phase 4 movie he makes his move.

 

[Dark Raven]

It needs to be the Fantastic Four in phase 4. That is the best time to do it and to market it. If you had the FF in phase 5, it wouldn't be the same.

 

[Big Bang]

It needs to be the Fantastic Four in phase 4. That is the best time to do it and to market it. If you had the FF in phase 5, it wouldn't be the same.

Definitely. The Fantastic Four need to take the lead in Phase 4. Under the Marvel/Disney banner it could easily be their marquee franchise with all of the pent up anticipation behind them.

 

[Darkraid]

Definitely. The Fantastic Four need to take the lead in Phase 4. Under the Marvel/Disney banner it could easily be their marquee franchise with all of the pent up anticipation behind them.

Definitely, they can be the Iron Man, Cap and Thor of the new MCU.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I somewhat agree but the thought that The X-Men The ****ing X-Men would be reduced to second tier characters irks me to no end if proposed deal does go through.

 

[Darepool]

One doesn't have to come at the expense of the other but it's all fan fiction at this point. The FF would be much easier to introduce logistically.

 

[jaymes_e06]

One doesn't have to come at the expense of the other but it's all fan fiction at this point. The FF would be much easier to introduce logistically.

The X-Men will be shortchanged no matter how you slice it if the history if the MCU is any indication. FF will be perfectly fine though.

 

[regnak]

The X-Men will be shortchanged no matter how you slice it if the history if the MCU is any indication. FF will be perfectly fine though.

Well for years Fox-men fans have wanted Fox to pay any price and lose any amount of money to keep the FF from going back to Marvel. So if this happens and the the X-Men get short changed it would just feel like Karma to me. t:

 

[First Avenger]

https://www.thestreet.com/story/144...sky-surges-on-report-of-renewed-fox-deal.html

"Twenty First Century Fox Inc.'s properties outside of sports and news will be bought by Walt Disney Co.," Cramer said, assigning a price tag of at least $25 billion. It would come as Disney faces decreasing value for one of its top assets in ESPN. Buying Fox's media assets would give Disney the greater scale needed to compete in the Netflix (NFLX - Get Report) fueled era of cord-cutting."

 

[jaymes_e06]

Well for years Fox-men fans have wanted Fox to pay any price and lose any amount of money to keep the FF from going back to Marvel. So if this happens and the the X-Men get short changed it would just feel like Karma to me. t:

What the actual **** are you talking about?

 

[Spider-Fan]

I somewhat agree but the thought that The X-Men The ****ing X-Men would be reduced to second tier characters irks me to no end if proposed deal does go through.

You know this how exactly? The X-Men is one of Marvel's hottest selling properties, and the existing films have a huge fan base and make money. Marvel Studios won't forget that when adapting them.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I know there's a downside to this, but I'd like to see (yet another) retelling of the origins of the FF. I don't think it will happen because it got butchered twice, but it could work. In addition, I'd like to see Reed, Victor, and Ben in college.....not for an extended period of time, but to set the stage for what comes next. Sort of like something they did in the beginning of GotG or maybe just a shade longer.

Actually, I don't think we need an origin movie. Simple flashback would suffice.

 

[marvelrobbins]

You know this how exactly? The X-Men is one of Marvel's hottest selling properties, and the existing films have a huge fan base and make money. Marvel Studios won't forget that when adapting them.

exsisting films will be ilrelvent shortly.x-men will be reimaged just like spider-man.and there sure as hell won't ever again be 3 x related films in one year as final films of x-men cinematic universe-new mutants,deadpool 2,dark phoenix
in 2018 or even 2 as there was in 2016-deadpool and x-men apocaypse

mcu fantics get what they want end to x-men cinematic universe.

 

[Spider-Fan]

exsisting films will be ilrelvent shortly.x-men will be reimaged just like spider-man.and there sure as hell won't ever again be 3 x related films in one year as final films of x-men cinematic universe-new mutants,deadpool 2,dark phoenix
in 2018 or even 2 as there was in 2016-deadpool and x-men apocaypse

mcu fantics get what they want end to x-men cinematic universe.

But, the X-Men come in at a point when they are phasing out many other characters, so Marvel can use the X-Men to great effect. Literally, we can end up getting 4 films a year, now (1 per quarter) with at least 1 being X-Men related annually. 3 in a year, maybe not, but we should be getting 1 or 2 a year once Marvel gets started with them. They instantly come in as Marvel's most viable new franchise to add to the MCU by far. Marvel will not forget that.

 

[spider-neil]

The amount of superhero movies has to be scaled back anyway or we risk the potential implosion of the genre.
One X based movie a year is fine with me.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The amount of superhero movies has to be scaled back anyway or we risk the potential implosion of the genre.
One X based movie a year is fine with me.

With the demise of Fox and the failure of the DCEU we will likely see them scaled back anyways. In the near future superhero films will likely consist of just MCU movies with the occasional DC movie spread in (nowhere near the number that they announced).

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The amount of superhero movies has to be scaled back anyway or we risk the potential implosion of the genre.
One X based movie a year is fine with me.

And with Marvel controlling it, they can balance things and make sure the integrity of the universe is maintained.

Fox doesn't seem to have any concern cranking out all kinds of crap with little concern for quality or how it all fits together. I think Marvel is much more focused on those big-picture issues.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

https://www.thestreet.com/story/144...sky-surges-on-report-of-renewed-fox-deal.html

"Twenty First Century Fox Inc.'s properties outside of sports and news will be bought by Walt Disney Co.," Cramer said, assigning a price tag of at least $25 billion. It would come as Disney faces decreasing value for one of its top assets in ESPN. Buying Fox's media assets would give Disney the greater scale needed to compete in the Netflix (NFLX - Get Report) fueled era of cord-cutting."

I already saw this on the other thread, but I think it's more important here.

 

[ernesth100]

We're in the exact situation as the Spider-Man talks not too long ago. If Disney plays this smart we could have a blessing on our hands.

 

[jaymes_e06]

You know this how exactly? The X-Men is one of Marvel's hottest selling properties, and the existing films have a huge fan base and make money. Marvel Studios won't forget that when adapting them.

Pretty much what marvelrobbins says:

exsisting films will be ilrelvent shortly.x-men will be reimaged just like spider-man.and there sure as hell won't ever again be 3 x related films in one year as final films of x-men cinematic universe-new mutants,deadpool 2,dark phoenix
in 2018 or even 2 as there was in 2016-deadpool and x-men apocaypse

mcu fantics get what they want end to x-men cinematic universe.

But, the X-Men come in at a point when they are phasing out many other characters, so Marvel can use the X-Men to great effect. Literally, we can end up getting 4 films a year, now (1 per quarter) with at least 1 being X-Men related annually. 3 in a year, maybe not, but we should be getting 1 or 2 a year once Marvel gets started with them. They instantly come in as Marvel's most viable new franchise to add to the MCU by far. Marvel will not forget that.

What makes you believe that they won't be pushed back? And please... The original three aren't going anywhere. If/when they do get the FF and X-Men they'll want Reed, Charles and Tony and Steve and Logan to interact first before giving them any send off.

And let's see we have:
Captain Marvel
Avengers/Team up event films (this is best case scenario eg. no solos of main Avengers anymore if we did add up to four/five more)
Black Panther
Dr. Strange
Ant-Man and Wasp
Guardians of the Galaxy
Spider-Man

That's at most 12 franchises at the least 7 before they even add FF and X-Men in the mix!


Then they would get back:
Fantastic Four
X-Men (which Disney actively shot themselves in the foot stripping the Maximoff twins of their mutant heritage and Magnetos paternity to connect them)
Do you really think one X-Men film a year is really gonna happen? Seriously?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Pretty much what marvelrobbins says:




What makes you believe that they won't be pushed back? And please... The original three aren't going anywhere. If/when they do get the FF and X-Men they'll want Reed, Charles and Tony and Steve and Logan to interact first before giving them any send off.

And let's see we have:
Captain Marvel
Avengers/Team up event films (this is best case scenario eg. no solos of main Avengers anymore if we did add up to four/five more)
Black Panther
Dr. Strange
Ant-Man and Wasp
Guardians of the Galaxy
Spider-Man

That's at most 12 franchises at the least 7 before they even add FF and X-Men in the mix!


Then they would get back:
Fantastic Four
X-Men (which Disney actively shot themselves in the foot stripping the Maximoff twins of their mutant heritage and Magnetos paternity to connect them)
Do you really think one X-Men film a year is really gonna happen? Seriously?

But, we're also likely moving to 4 films a year once they really get going. So they will move through this list quicker. I am betting we will start getting 1 X-Men film a year once they really get going, given their one of Marvel's biggest franchises, and they have a massive catalog to play with. Marvel eventually will likely gun for 1 film a quarter, and if they do 4 movies a year, yes I can easily see that happening. The 1 film a year likely will have an Avengers like formula, and be like X-Men one year, Wolverine the next, another solo, X-Men sequel, etc. Some model like that I see happening.

 

[jaymes_e06]

But, we're also likely moving to 4 films a year once they really get going. So they will move through this list quicker. I am betting we will start getting 1 X-Men film a year once they really get going, given their one of Marvel's biggest franchises, and they have a massive catalog to play with. Marvel eventually will likely gun for 1 film a quarter, and if they do 4 movies a year, yes I can easily see that happening.

Then respectfully you are being very naive. The most we can hope for is an X-Men movie every 2 years and maybe a cameo of a few mutants in event films and a co-starring role for Wolverine in said film. It will be similar to how it was in the comics only Disney would have no choice but to feed into egos and diminish the new X-Men otherwise they will take away from what they've established as Fox has the best female lineup and the best maverick character in Marvel comics.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

But, we're also likely moving to 4 films a year once they really get going.

Yeah, when Sony and Fox were both doing their own thing, we probably had years with 7 Marvel-based films. If Marvel has the ability to control that, they can make more films than they currently are while still being under the number we were getting from 3 different studios.

I'm not an X-Men fan, so I can't speak directly to what I would want in terms of numbers of X-Men films, but as an FF fan, I'd gladly take fewer FF films from Marvel than a crap-load of FF films from Fox.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Then respectfully you are being very naive. The most we can hope for is an X-Men movie every 2 years and maybe a cameo of a few mutants in event films and a co-starring role for Wolverine in said film. It will be similar to how it was in the comics only Disney would have no choice but to feed into egos and diminish the new X-Men otherwise they will take away from what they've established as Fox has the best female lineup and the best maverick character in Marvel comics.

Again, why would Disney not use their largest catalog and acquisition of characters? On Spider-Man, yeah they're limited as to how many films they can produce in a certain amount of time, but the X-Men have a vast universe Disney can milk for loads and loads of $$$ and get them out quickly. Why would they not use that to their advantage? I think we forget, Disney is also in the business of making money, and much like the Avengers or Star Wars, they can do solo between X-Men films. It's not hard, its really easy. Plus, Disney has that model already going kind of. Why would they not adopt that for a property that is part of a near or more than $25 billion acquisition?