The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - Part 13

[Willie Lumpkin]

When Marvel gets FF back, I'd love to see them with The Inhumans. It makes so much sense. Can't we just pretend that Fan$h!tic and Inhumans never happened? I can because I never saw either one of them.

Yeah, I would like to see the Fantastic Four discover the Inhumans as they did in the comics, and I agree, I think that's easy enough to do if they choose to go that way.

That's one advantage of Inhumans being so bad. It's likely to be gone after 8 episodes and easy to brush under the rug.

 

[Dasher10]

I'm very curious to see what Comcast will do. It makes me start to wonder if they will be the ones to finally pursue Netflix.

I really hope that Netflix stays independent. We need more media ownership among large corporations, not fewer large corporations in the game.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Well, that's where things start further developing for the Entertainment industry even more. Comcast could leverage its existing NBC-Universal properties permanently onto the service, but just like Disney would need more to make the service more viable. Notwithstanding that Netflix on its own doesn't get its own great content, but on the long term they will continue to need even more.

The one bit that is being mentioned over and over about Entertainment is consolidation. Of the current "Big 6" of Hollywood, only Disney, Time Warner, and NBC-Universal have the necessary scale to weather the changes hitting the industry, and two of those are owned/being acquired by a service provider. Fox, Viacom, and Sony are nowhere near the scale of the other 3. If/when the Disney/Fox deal happens it is going to prime the other two to be next. My money would be on Comcast to pursue either Viacom or Sony. With Sony being the more opportune target since they'd have to pry Viacom from Sumner Redstone's dead grip before he would ever let go (his daughter is purportedly no better). Though property wise, Viacom has far more viable assets than Sony and would better complement them.

Granted Comcast could go that route without ever even looking at Netflix. No matter how you shake things, major change seems to be coming.

Yeah, Netflix was it for a while, but things are changing quickly and I honestly have no idea what the landscape will look like 5 years from now. Disney seems to have a strong position at the moment, but the moves they are taking are going to force others to counter them.

While it seems like this potential sale is much more important at the moment for Fox than Disney, Disney may be quietly sweating this out with the realization that this has big implications for the future.

 

[ADollarADay]

But do you think Feige would work with the existing cast, characters, story-line, or would he completely scrap it and start fresh?

I think the biggest problem with the show is the main characters are weak, shallow and unlikable, and I think it's hard to come back from that.

Feige is going to start from scratch. This inhumans tv show will be non cannon. The script, screenplay, bad acting all messed this up. The characters have great potential....under the right leadership.

If and when this acquisition goes through, Marvel should do a "Marvel Legacy" and MCU similar to what Lucas has done with Star Wars. I would personally move all Scott Buck work under Marvel Legacy.

I really hope that Netflix stays independent. We need more media ownership among large corporations, not fewer large corporations in the game.

There will be more competition coming. You think Dang Feng doesn't want Wolf Warrior 3 to be big in the US as well? I think STX, Annapurna, and A24 are good small start ups that we'll start seeing more of, along with big Chinese players.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/10/pencils-arent-down-on-disney-21st-century-fox-deal.html

Media giants Disney and 21st Century Fox haven't given up the idea of combining movie and television production operations, CNBC's David Faber said Friday.

"Pencils aren't down," he said, citing sources.

This seems somewhat obvious to me, but it's nice to see it being reported by a reputable source. Many outlets seem to have interpreted the initial comment that they weren't talking at that moment to indicate the deal was dead, but investors and analysts certainly don't seem to believe that.

 

[ADollarADay]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/10/pencils-arent-down-on-disney-21st-century-fox-deal.html

Media giants Disney and 21st Century Fox haven't given up the idea of combining movie and television production operations, CNBC's David Faber said Friday.

"Pencils aren't down," he said, citing sources.

This seems somewhat obvious to me, but it's nice to see it being reported by a reputable source. Many outlets seem to have interpreted the initial comment that they weren't talking at that moment to indicate the deal was dead, but investors and analysts certainly don't seem to believe that.

CNBC: In other news, water is wet.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Feige is going to start from scratch. This inhumans tv show will be non cannon. The script, screenplay, bad acting all messed this up. The characters have great potential....under the right leadership.

If and when this acquisition goes through, Marvel should do a "Marvel Legacy" and MCU similar to what Lucas has done with Star Wars. I would personally move all Scott Buck work under Marvel Legacy.

I agree, and I'd be all for a complete re-do. But I think the initial discussion was prompted by a post suggesting they could build on what the TV show did.

I think the Buck show needs to be thrown in the same bin as Fant4stic.

 

[Raiden]

It really was sort of comical. A couple weeks ago, even though she hadn't said anything, I felt the show was so bad that I felt guilty for inflicting it on her.

So I woke up earlier than her on a Saturday morning, went downstairs and started watching the previous night's episode by myself. She came down-stairs, saw I was watching it and said: "I have a confession to make." I said: "You can't stand this show and it's painful to watch and you would rather never have to see it again." and she said: "Yeah, that's pretty much it. Do you mind watching it on your own?"

I hope Marvel will stop giving Scott Buck more properties because after 2 failed attempts it's obvious that it's not working. I have a feeling that it is Perlmutter who is pushing Jeph Loeb to hire Buck because of his reputation as a stay-under-the-budget kind of guy, though.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

CNBC: In other news, water is wet.

But have you noticed how many people are reporting this as old news? When I search for new information, 90% of the articles I find seem to treat it like: "Yeah, they had some discussion, but nothing came of it, so that's that."

 

[Big Bang]

I really hope that Netflix stays independent. We need more media ownership among large corporations, not fewer large corporations in the game.

Same here. I personally prefer an independent Netflix.

Companies come and go. Unfortunately market inertia seems to be heading in the direction of forcing most of these companies into combining.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I hope Marvel will stop giving Scott Buck more properties because after 2 failed attempts it's obvious that it's not working. I have a feeling that it is Perlmutter who is pushing Jeph Loeb to hire Buck because of his reputation as a stay-under-the-budget kind of guy, though.

After all the talk of how bad Iron Fist was, it exceeded my low expectations, but while I can find some positives in Iron-Fist, Inhumans was bad on every level.

I would be amazed if Buck has a position of responsibility with Marvel again.

And I don't have any idea what's going on with Perlmutter, but since they pushed him into the TV dungeons, he certainly hasn't been setting the world on fire. I think something drastic has to happen on the TV side (and likely will).

 

[ADollarADay]

I hope Marvel will stop giving Scott Buck more properties because after 2 failed attempts it's obvious that it's not working. I have a feeling that it is Perlmutter who is pushing Jeph Loeb to hire Buck because of his reputation as a stay-under-the-budget kind of guy, though.

Guy messes up Iron Fist and then inhumans. Iron Fist was also a bad cast as that actor is not Danny to me, but he got redeemed a tad bit on Defenders. Inhumans won't have that benefit.

But have you noticed how many people are reporting this as old news? When I search for new information, 90% of the articles I find seem to treat it like: "Yeah, they had some discussion, but nothing came of it, so that's that."

That's because people are sheep or really do not want this to happen. People like us know that conversations are ongoing, especially after what we saw from the market, and financial call non answers from Fox and Disney. Actually the market REALLY wants it, DIS goes from 99 to 105 (6%) since tuesday. FOX goes from 24 to 28 (17%) and FOXA goes from 25 to 29 (16%) in the same period. I put the odds of this deal happening at 50/50 right now.

 

[Big Bang]

After all the talk of how bad Iron Fist was, it exceeded my low expectations, but while I can find some positives in Iron-Fist, Inhumans was bad on every level.

I would be amazed if Buck has a position of responsibility with Marvel again.

And I don't have any idea what's going on with Perlmutter, but since they pushed him into the TV dungeons, he certainly hasn't been setting the world on fire. I think something drastic has to happen on the TV side (and likely will).

Perlmutter is part of Veteran Affairs for the Trump administration (I believe), so his day to day duties at Marvel are mostly being handled by other staff.

My hope is that Marvel Entertainment gets relocated to Anaheim and put under Feige. Let him install his own lieutenants to run the place.

 

[Raiden]

After all the talk of how bad Iron Fist was, it exceeded my low expectations, but while I can find some positives in Iron-Fist, Inhumans was bad on every level.

I would be amazed if Buck has a position of responsibility with Marvel again.

And I don't have any idea what's going on with Perlmutter, but since they pushed him into the TV dungeons, he certainly hasn't been setting the world on fire. I think something drastic has to happen on the TV side (and likely will).

I know Bob Iger likes to let Marvel do their own thing, but it's time for him to exercise his power as the CEO of Disney and get Perlmutter and Buck out of the TV studio. He should hire someone who can deliver quality television and who can work with Marvel, like WB got with their TV division their Arrowverse.

 

[Dasher10]

After all the talk of how bad Iron Fist was, it exceeded my low expectations, but while I can find some positives in Iron-Fist, Inhumans was bad on every level.

I would be amazed if Buck has a position of responsibility with Marvel again.

And I don't have any idea what's going on with Perlmutter, but since they pushed him into the TV dungeons, he certainly hasn't been setting the world on fire. I think something drastic has to happen on the TV side (and likely will).

I feel like Perlmutter will retire. The rumors of the Defenders shows being canceled, the lack of any sort of merchandise for female characters, the shutout of merch for Fox-owned properties and Ike's long history of harassment, intimidation and discrimination are likely to get him forced out of Disney before long. Plus he's 74 and about to turn 75 in a month.

IMO, I'd promote Loeb to President of Marvel Entertainment and put Joe Quesada in Loeb's current position.

 

[Big Bang]

I feel like Perlmutter will retire. The rumors of the Defenders shows being canceled, the lack of any sort of merchandise for female characters, the shutout of merch for Fox-owned properties and Ike's long history of harassment, intimidation and discrimination are likely to get him forced out of Disney before long. Plus he's 74 and about to turn 75 in a month.

I have a feeling that should things evolve, they'll relieve him of any duties through a good old fashioned reorg, and just relegate him to just a board member.

 

[Dasher10]

I have a feeling that should things evolve, they'll relieve him of any duties through a good old fashioned reorg, and just relegate him to just a board member.

He'll be gone within a week if the Fox deal happens.

 

[Big Bang]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/10/pencils-arent-down-on-disney-21st-century-fox-deal.html

Media giants Disney and 21st Century Fox haven't given up the idea of combining movie and television production operations, CNBC's David Faber said Friday.

"Pencils aren't down," he said, citing sources.

This seems somewhat obvious to me, but it's nice to see it being reported by a reputable source. Many outlets seem to have interpreted the initial comment that they weren't talking at that moment to indicate the deal was dead, but investors and analysts certainly don't seem to believe that.

In other words, it is wait and see while they continue to work things out.

 

[Dasher10]

Like, Perlmutter went out of his way to sabotage Fox as much as possible and has a long, long history of sabotaging his business partners at the expense of his own profits just to keep things in house. If Fox becomes Part of Disney, I really think that he'll try to sabotage the Fox films out of spite and the rest of the board will force him to sell his stock and force him to resign.

 

[Big Bang]

Like, Perlmutter went out of his way to sabotage Fox as much as possible and has a long, long history of sabotaging his business partners at the expense of his own profits just to keep things in house. If Fox becomes Part of Disney, I really think that he'll try to sabotage the Fox films out of spite and the rest of the board will force him to sell his stock and force him to resign.

Yeah, I'd be wary of him in any production related capacity. The rest of the Disney board is not going to tolerate any meddling from him though, not with billions on the line.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Perlmutter is part of Veteran Affairs for the Trump administration (I believe), so his day to day duties at Marvel are mostly being handled by other staff.

My hope is that Marvel Entertainment gets relocated to Anaheim and put under Feige. Let him install his own lieutenants to run the place.

I know Bob Iger likes to let Marvel do their own thing, but it's time for him to exercise his power as the CEO of Disney and get Perlmutter and Buck out of the TV studio. He should hire someone who can deliver quality television and who can work with Marvel, like WB got with their TV division their Arrowverse.

It would certainly be cool if Feige could manage to bring the quality of the TV side even close to what we're seeing in the films, but does Feige have the time, energy, interest?

He would almost certainly have to put someone he trusts on the ground there and only get involved in the big decisions.

Have there been any credible rumors that something like that could be in the works?

 

[Dasher10]

It would certainly be cool if Feige could manage to bring the quality of the TV side even close to what we're seeing in the films, but does Feige have the time, energy, interest?

He would almost certainly have to put someone he trusts on the ground there and only get involved in the big decisions.

Have there been any credible rumors that something like that could be in the works?

Not that I've seen. Ike has control of the TV side. Once he's gone, I feel like Loeb will have more freedom to interact with Feige.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Not that I've seen. Ike has control of the TV side. Once he's gone, I feel like Loeb will have more freedom to interact with Feige.

But is Loeb the guy? I have very limited knowledge of who does what, but I know Loeb has been there and we see how things are going, so I'm not sure Loeb is the answer.

 

[Big Bang]

Have there been any credible rumors that something like that could be in the works?

Just that suspicious bit that leaked out back in September. It's fair to note the criticisms against the leak, but the overarching viewpoint about how badly the staff on the comics side are souring the relationship with the fans and Comic Shops is more accurate than what publications are letting on.

I think what puts the leak in a little more of an accurate light was what went down at Comic Con between Marvel and the shop owners, and how badly Marvel was blasted by them. That incident seemed to affirm much of what was said in the leak, IMHO.

 

[InCali]

I pay very little attention to who does what for whom, but if this merger goes through, give whatever team did Legion/The Gifted a rather free hand. Agents of SHIELD has been very uneven and, while I personally liked Agent Carter (have a crush on Atwell), it didn't really seem to take off. I'm not so worried about the TV side of things. Let Kevin be Kevin and give him control over the movie side.