The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - Part 13

[Dasher10]

I pay very little attention to who does what for whom, but if this merger goes through, give whatever team did Legion/The Gifted a rather free hand. Agents of SHIELD has been very uneven and, while I personally liked Agent Carter (have a crush on Atwell), it didn't really seem to take off. I'm not so worried about the TV side of things. Let Kevin be Kevin and give him control over the movie side.

That was Noah Hawley and Jeph Loeb. The same people who commenters on these boards say will ruin Doctor Doom and blame more than Buck and Perlmutter for Iron Fist and Inhumans.

 

[InCali]

That was Noah Hawley and Jeph Loeb. The same people who commenters on these boards say will ruin Doctor Doom and blame more than Buck and Perlmutter for Iron Fist and Inhumans.

I don't know how they'll do Doom (hopefully they never get a chance without Kevin's okay ), but they've done a nice job with the TV series. In fact, I can't think of a better SH show, including those on ABC, CW, etc., than Legion.

Some commenters probably just want Doom back in MCU (like me) and, therefore, don't WANT someone at Fox to do a good job, some probably have legitimate concerns (though I don't know what they are), etc.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

That was Noah Hawley and Jeph Loeb. The same people who commenters on these boards say will ruin Doctor Doom and blame more than Buck and Perlmutter for Iron Fist and Inhumans.

Didn't Matt Nix do Gifted? And I'm not sure what boards you're reading, but they must be different than the ones I'm reading.

 

[InCali]

Didn't Matt Nix do Gifted? And I'm not sure what boards you're reading, but they must be different than the ones I'm reading.

I thought you, in particular, said something complimentary about Hawley??

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I thought you, in particular, said something complimentary about Hawley??

I think Fargo and Legion are great shows, and I have nothing but respect for Hawley.

And while I can't speak for everybody, I don't remember ever seeing anyone say that Hawley was going to ruin Doom (I think he's just a pawn of Fox at the moment). Scott Buck is pretty much universally hated on these boards, and I've never seen anybody say Loeb was more to blame than Buck.

 

[First Avenger]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/10/pencils-arent-down-on-disney-21st-century-fox-deal.html

Media giants Disney and 21st Century Fox haven't given up the idea of combining movie and television production operations, CNBC's David Faber said Friday.

"Pencils aren't down," he said, citing sources.

This seems somewhat obvious to me, but it's nice to see it being reported by a reputable source. Many outlets seem to have interpreted the initial comment that they weren't talking at that moment to indicate the deal was dead, but investors and analysts certainly don't seem to believe that.

I feel this is going to happen. I don't know when,but our hopes will be repayed.

 

[InCali]

I feel this is going to happen. I don't know when,but our hopes will be repayed.

The one thing that really makes me think this is going to fly is because the stock has gone up so much over the last few days. Pulling out of it will cause a lot of damage to both companies. Even though their financials for 2017 didn't meet expectations, Disney can probably weather that storm better than Fox can so I think it maybe gives them a slightly stronger hand.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I feel this is going to happen. I don't know when,but our hopes will be repayed.

It's weird, over the past eight years, I think this is, pretty much without question, the best, most realistic reason we've had to be optimistic...

...but I'm not finding myself particularly excited. If/when we get an announcement, I'm going to be crazy-happy, but I guess I'm not allowing myself to celebrate until we have something because I don't feel much different now than I have any time over the past several years.

 

[First Avenger]

It's weird, over the past eight years, I think this is, pretty much without question, the best, most realistic reason we've had to be optimistic...

...but I'm not finding myself particularly excited. If/when we get an announcement, I'm going to be crazy-happy, but I guess I'm not allowing myself to celebrate until we have something because I don't feel much different now than I have any time over the past several years.

Me neither my friend. Let's just hope for the best.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

It's weird, over the past eight years, I think this is, pretty much without question, the best, most realistic reason we've had to be optimistic...

Hope X-MEN & FF goto Marvel.



Unfortunately if you can't beat em join em

 

[wobbly]

It's weird, over the past eight years, I think this is, pretty much without question, the best, most realistic reason we've had to be optimistic...

...but I'm not finding myself particularly excited. If/when we get an announcement, I'm going to be crazy-happy, but I guess I'm not allowing myself to celebrate until we have something because I don't feel much different now than I have any time over the past several years.

Same here. It's promising, but it won't be real until I see a goddam announcement.

Until then it's business as usual.

 

[Big Bang]

Same here. It's promising, but it won't be real until I see a goddam announcement.

Until then it's business as usual.

Imagine the reactions if/when it happens. Threads are going to explode.

 

[InCali]

Imagine the reactions if/when it happens. Threads are going to explode.

Including this one? t:

It's been going at a pretty good clip without an official announcement.

 

[ADollarADay]

It's weird, over the past eight years, I think this is, pretty much without question, the best, most realistic reason we've had to be optimistic...

...but I'm not finding myself particularly excited. If/when we get an announcement, I'm going to be crazy-happy, but I guess I'm not allowing myself to celebrate until we have something because I don't feel much different now than I have any time over the past several years.

Here's another reason why it's most realistic, the only thing bigger than executive's paychecks are their egos. Bob Iger wants to leave with no mistake that he's the best Disney CEO ever. Fox acquisition would solidify that, along with other stuff that he's led. Or at the very least put him up there with Walt himself. Murdoch's will want to get Fox to the next level. Fox's sum of its part is probably bigger than the whole:

https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/ar...murdochs-have-a-25-billion-reason-for-breakup

Plus one of the Murdochs might get the chance to be on the short list to be the next DIS CEO while the other would be the new, bigger valued FOX CEO.

With that said, I would only get excited after the deal is cleared. Even if they announce it, I would still be my usual pragmatic self until it's cleared, papers signed, money and assets transferred, and everything is good to go.

 

[InCali]

Weren't there a few people on here who were saying "this isn't going to happen?". I'm not saying it will, but I'd be curious to find out if those people have changed their minds.

 

[Web-Head]

I never thought it was going to for sure happen, or that it's even likely, but I wouldn't be surprised if it does. I think it's better than 50/50 at this point.

Worst case is I hope they at least get the Marvel characters rights back.

 

[Big Bang]

Here's another reason why it's most realistic, the only thing bigger than executive's paychecks are their egos. Bob Iger wants to leave with no mistake that he's the best Disney CEO ever. Fox acquisition would solidify that, along with other stuff that he's led. Or at the very least put him up there with Walt himself. Murdoch's will want to get Fox to the next level. Fox's sum of its part is probably bigger than the whole:

https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/ar...murdochs-have-a-25-billion-reason-for-breakup

I was reading this one the other day. I agree with the notion that this deal is to be Iger's exclamation point in his career. Overall he has already made a significant mark with his purchases of Pixar, Marvel, and Lucasfilm. His Pixar purchase was very likely the most important one though, which effectively changed course from the Eisner era.

Plus one of the Murdochs might get the chance to be on the short list to be the next DIS CEO while the other would be the new, bigger valued FOX CEO.

This one I'm not too sure about. I can see one of the Murdochs being given a board seat, but to be handed the position of CEO seems a bit of a stretch.

 

[Darepool]

This one I'm not too sure about. I can see one of the Murdochs being given a board seat, but to be handed the position of CEO seems a bit of a stretch.

Yeah, this is a reach.

 

[Orba]

BTW from the twitter of Ben Fritz of the WSJ
https://***********/benfritz/status/928765499697020928

To answer the same question from a few people: The Marvel shows currently on Netflix, and any spin-offs from them, will stay on that platform

So the Netflix shows will not be moving.

 

[Tony Stark]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/10/pencils-arent-down-on-disney-21st-century-fox-deal.html

Media giants Disney and 21st Century Fox haven't given up the idea of combining movie and television production operations, CNBC's David Faber said Friday.

"Pencils aren't down," he said, citing sources.

This seems somewhat obvious to me, but it's nice to see it being reported by a reputable source. Many outlets seem to have interpreted the initial comment that they weren't talking at that moment to indicate the deal was dead, but investors and analysts certainly don't seem to believe that.

Yeah I was wondering who on earth was reporting the deal was dead. I real a ton of investor news, and basically the deal was Fox was asking too much and Disney offered too little. The whole "talks broke down" thing was a bunch of BS, for anyone familiar with how these deals get done.

The only thing anyone needs to know is that Fox approached Disney, not the other way around. It's pretty obvious in the industry when companies shop themselves in the market. But it's clear that the Murdochs want no part of the entertainment business anymore.

 

[Web-Head]

Yeah I was wondering who on earth was reporting the deal was dead. I real a ton of investor news, and basically the deal was Fox was asking too much and Disney offered too little. The whole "talks broke down" thing was a bunch of BS, for anyone familiar with how these deals get done.

The only thing anyone needs to know is that Fox approached Disney, not the other way around. It's pretty obvious in the industry when companies shop themselves in the market. But it's clear that the Murdochs want no part of the entertainment business anymore.

Very interesting. This could come together quicker then we think. Hopefully they can meet somewhere in the middle

 

[Tymminator]

There would be sooo much nerd rage.

One thing I really think made Marvel see they "needed" both FF and X-Men was the major disaster dumpster fire that is Inhumans. It is disturbingly terrible and horribly reviewed and as of now their biggest flop. That is most likely what propelled them to move forward with the deal.

Yeah, I actually think Inhumans NOT doing well made Big-wig type people rethink Perlmutter’s goal of simply replacing X-Men with something else.

Sure they can. If Feige wants to take inhumans under his wings, it will shine. Give it to him and watch it become a big property. Give the Avengers to Scott Buck and see what happens.

I agree.

Marvel will be wise not to give up on the Inhumans so quickly. Replace its show runner and move it to their new streaming service, and it will be like a soft reboot. Also, give them their iconic costumes, for cryin' out loud.

Agree with this as well.

I hope Marvel will stop giving Scott Buck more properties because after 2 failed attempts it's obvious that it's not working. I have a feeling that it is Perlmutter who is pushing Jeph Loeb to hire Buck because of his reputation as a stay-under-the-budget kind of guy, though.

Yup.

It's weird, over the past eight years, I think this is, pretty much without question, the best, most realistic reason we've had to be optimistic...

...but I'm not finding myself particularly excited. If/when we get an announcement, I'm going to be crazy-happy, but I guess I'm not allowing myself to celebrate until we have something because I don't feel much different now than I have any time over the past several years.

I’m with you there.

Including this one? t:

It's been going at a pretty good clip without an official announcement.

Well, it’s always good to “keep hope alive”.

 

[Darepool]

There would be sooo much nerd rage.

One thing I really think made Marvel see they "needed" both FF and X-Men was the major disaster dumpster fire that is Inhumans. It is disturbingly terrible and horribly reviewed and as of now their biggest flop. That is most likely what propelled them to move forward with the deal.

I think the biggest reason was more big content in general for their new streaming service and the hulu shares. That's what, 50 + millions subscribers for content right off the bat? I never used hulu before, but I know it's pretty big albeit smaller then Netflix.

 

[InCali]

Yeah, I actually think Inhumans NOT doing well made Big-wig type people rethink Perlmutter’s goal of simply replacing X-Men with something else.


I agree.



Agree with this as well.



Yup.



I’m with you there.



Well, it’s always good to “keep hope alive”.

Hey I hear there's a bit of a chill in the air in your neck of the woods.

I was in Minneapolis several years ago for a CWA convention and liked it quite a bit. Of course, I was there in August or thereabouts. People were very friendly. I was at a bar and struck up a conversation with a Limo driver. He offered to give me and my friends a tour of the city for gas money (cheap). He said there were 2 seasons; construction and winter.

I also went to the old Metrodome and saw the Twins play. What a trip that was. They had this remote controlled blimp going around and a wolf mascot shooting packages of spam into the crowd as well as at the blimp. Every time he'd hit the blimp, the crowd went wild. It was one of the oddest experiences I've ever seen at a sporting event and wrote a short story about it. Glad I had a chance to see it up close and personal before the unfortunate event.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Imagine the reactions if/when it happens. Threads are going to explode.

I'm going to throw a parade