The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - Part 13

[Big Bang]

Just this simple statement illustrates that Sony is more reasonable than Fox. Fox has driven FF completely into the ground and they seem to have no intention of letting Marvel help them fix things.

Well, to a point. Sony still has its own self-serving motivations after all.

No argument that was Fox was being more brazen, but that was more simply because they could afford to (but hopefully no longer).

It is so tainted and toxic now it's ridiculous.

I wonder how this will impact Constantin Film. They actually still own the rights.

 

[Zarex]

I wonder how this will impact Constantin Film. They actually still own the rights.

That gets brought up whenever FF rights are discussed, but it makes no sense. If they still owned them Constantin would have sold the rights to Disney after they bought Marvel or either before or after the FFINO debacle. Constantin wasn't mentioned in the proposed trade of the Daredevil rights extension for Galactus and the Surfer or when Ego was moved to Marvel in exchange for changes to Negasonic Teenage Warhead.

Constantin gets a production credit and a check. That's the extent of their involvement in the FF rights.

 

[wobbly]

I wonder how this will impact Constantin Film. They actually still own the rights.

Constantin are a non issue in any deal. For all intents & purposes Fox own the movie rights and control thier destiny.

But should Marvel get the FF back and they did put out a film before the next deadline, then Constantin's existing deal to retain a producer credit and distribution in Germany would in theory still hold.

Easy solution: wait until the deadline has elapsed and bye bye Constantin.

 

[Big Bang]

Constantin are a non issue in any deal. For all intents & purposes Fox own the movie rights and control their destiny.

That bit was always confusing.

 

[Dasher10]

Just this simple statement illustrates that Sony is more reasonable than Fox. Fox has driven FF completely into the ground and they seem to have no intention of letting Marvel help them fix things.

Fox have no desire to stay in the film business. It's highly likely that Constantin Film will get the Fantastic Four rights and that the X-Men will revert in full once Fox exits the industry if the rumor about the rights being non-transferable is true.

And Constantin Film will likely cut the same deal with Marvel that they did with Fox where Marvel get the production, character and distribution rights and can make an FF film how they want to make one, receive at last half the box office profits which don't go to theaters and receive all merchandise revenue. If Fox calls it quits, I don't see who Constantin Film will work with on the FF.

Sony don't have the cash to make these bids since their film division doesn't turn out constant hits, their TV division saw Powers over on PSN flop and only the Playstation sells well in their electronics division. Sony Computer Entertainment keeps the rest of the company afloat and I don't feel like the Fantastic Four counts as consumer software. Sony also own the Valiant Comics rights but aren't doing anything with them.

Comcast won't do a Fantastic Four film. They won't work with Marvel since Marvel want the theme park rights back in exchange for Hulk and Namor films (plus spin-offs like She-Hulk, Red Hulk and Totally Awesome Hulk).

National Amusements could do something with the rights since they likely miss the Marvel cash they got from Phase 1 films but they're likely busy with (terrible) Transformers films and don't need the Fantastic Four alone. (Plus they launched CBS All-Access when all that does is cannibalize Showtime subscriptions. All of five people subscribe to CBSAA and Showtime would have been a better home for Star Trek so I doubt their business sense.)

Lionsgate don't appear interested in superheroes, nor are they interested in buying Fox.

Verizon are the likely next Fox owner. But Fox under Verizon aren't likely to repurchase the Fantastic Four. I can't see Constantin Film signing off on the same people at the same studio working on a fourth FF film since Verizon buying Fox likely means the fewest people lose their jobs. This would just be Fox under new management but the rights won't transfer over.

I really feel like Disney will make the best offer for the FF. They'll get the FF in the MCU and Constantin Film will simply allow Marvel to make whatever kind of movie they want so long as they get paid.

 

[Iceman]

What is the situation with the F4 rights regardless of any sale? Have Fox got a limited amount of time to make another film before they revert, like with X-Men rights?

 

[InCali]

Man I agree. I can't see a single studio who could make something worthwhile of this property other than Marvel Studios. It is so tainted and toxic now it's ridiculous. The franchise can't stand yet another blow.

If these characters ever get a movie again whoever makes it needs to not just make a decent or even "good" movie - they need to knock it out of the freaking park. Go big or go home. An FF film has to reverse perception and make some coin. Otherwise the FF universe will never see the budget it truly deserves and demands. Things like Subterranea, Atlantis, the Negative Zone and Galactus devourer of worlds - if done properly - would be a jaw dropping experience for movie goers.

But to deliver this kind of film is a risky proposition. Marvel is the only studio I think who would take that risk and actually stand a chance of succeeding.

Well we already saw Galactus in the Rise of the Silver Surfer. You didn't think that was a good Galactus?

 

[Dasher10]

What is the situation with the F4 rights regardless of any sale? Have Fox got a limited amount of time to make another film before they revert, like with X-Men rights?

They have seven years. Rights are non-transferrable and partially owned by Constantin Film since the early 90s.

FF spin-off possibilities are just Silver Surfer and Doctor Doom. All the other good FF spin-offs like Guardians of the Galaxy, Inhumans and Black Panther are over at Marvel Studios. That's where the FF belong so they can wipe the Inhumans show from canon and interact with Black Panther and the Guardians.

Also Annihilators would be possible. As would Avengers vs Kang.

And the X-Men rights coming back means that we get get Darkhawk in the MCU and the Guardians can have a War of Kings film for a 4th film.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Well we already saw Galactus in the Rise of the Silver Surfer. You didn't think that was a good Galactus?

LOL - ahh Cloud Galactus. Who can forget? Well it was better than what we probably would've gotten with Fantfourstick 2 - where inspired by Warren Ellis - Galactus is this time a sort of virus - but actually an Internet virus - you know "in the cloud".

Miles Teller stays up all night hacking on his laptop, creating firewalls to stop the distributed denial of service attack. He even programs a "Watcher" to alert him to new brute force attempts. Grounded and gritty!

 

[Big Bang]

LOL - ahh Cloud Galactus. Who can forget? Well it was better than what we probably would've gotten with Fantfourstick 2 - where inspired by Warren Ellis - Galactus is this time a sort of virus - but actually an Internet virus - you know "in the cloud".

Miles Teller stays up all night hacking on his laptop, creating firewalls to stop the distributed denial of service attack. He even programs a "Watcher" to alert him to new brute force attempts. Grounded and gritty!

Tom Rothman approves.

 

[Big Bang]

National Amusements could do something with the rights

Trust me, amongst the last people you would want around the MCU would be the Redstones. They were ones that had the ingenious idea of splitting up the Star Trek rights between Viacom and CBS, and giving us the train wreck situation that property is in right now.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Just do it Disney! Lol

 

[Iceman]

They have seven years. Rights are non-transferrable and partially owned by Constantin Film since the early 90s.

FF spin-off possibilities are just Silver Surfer and Doctor Doom. All the other good FF spin-offs like Guardians of the Galaxy, Inhumans and Black Panther are over at Marvel Studios. That's where the FF belong so they can wipe the Inhumans show from canon and interact with Black Panther and the Guardians.

Also Annihilators would be possible. As would Avengers vs Kang.

And the X-Men rights coming back means that we get get Darkhawk in the MCU and the Guardians can have a War of Kings film for a 4th film.

Thanks, and good. I can't see any likely way these rights don't revert to Marvel at some point soon then.

 

[ADollarADay]

Start listening from 13:40

https://disneydish.bandcamp.com/track/marvel-us-disney-ep-2-when-we-almost-review-thor-11152017

Jim Hill is a Disney insider with plenty of history of dishing out inside scoop on all things Disney. He also has sources inside of Disney.

He recently started the Disney Marvel Us podcast to talk all things Marvel. According to him, people inside Disney have told him that Disney has the FF movie rights and they have had it since last year. He mentions the XMen TV shows as what Fox got for giving up the FF rights. According to him, Disney has the movie rights regardless of a possible Disney Fox acquisition.

It certainly makes one think when you get Jim saying that along with James Gunn going "Ego was 100% Fox and we traded it for allowing Fox to change Negasonic, then the story changed saying Ego was shared and Marvel got him exclusively for allowing Fox to change Negasonic", Watchers in GoTG and Skrulls in Captain Marvel and Kevin Feige going, "No. There’s joint custody with a number of things. There are certain characters that they have, but races that we share. If that makes sense?"

Maybe Willie will get a surprise in IW movie trailer regardless of a Fox purchase lol.

Take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

If Disney had the rights why would fox announce a Doom script being in the works and entertain The fantastikids idea?

 

[ADollarADay]

If Disney had the rights why would fox announce a Doom script being in the works and entertain The fantastikids idea?

Good point. Take it with a grain of salt.

 

[ImSGirl95]

How reliable is this Jim Hill guy? And what did he got right in the past?

 

[First Avenger]

Start listening from 13:40

https://disneydish.bandcamp.com/track/marvel-us-disney-ep-2-when-we-almost-review-thor-11152017

Jim Hill is a Disney insider with plenty of history of dishing out inside scoop on all things Disney. He also has sources inside of Disney.

He recently started the Disney Marvel Us podcast to talk all things Marvel. According to him, people inside Disney have told him that Disney has the FF movie rights and they have had it since last year. He mentions the XMen TV shows as what Fox got for giving up the FF rights. According to him, Disney has the movie rights regardless of a possible Disney Fox acquisition.

It certainly makes one think when you get Jim saying that along with James Gunn going "Ego was 100% Fox and we traded it for allowing Fox to change Negasonic, then the story changed saying Ego was shared and Marvel got him exclusively for allowing Fox to change Negasonic", Watchers in GoTG and Skrulls in Captain Marvel and Kevin Feige going, "No. There’s joint custody with a number of things. There are certain characters that they have, but races that we share. If that makes sense?"

Maybe Willie will get a surprise in IW movie trailer regardless of a Fox purchase lol.

Take it with a grain of salt.

Hard to believe imo.

 

[Orba]

And the X-Men rights coming back means that we get get Darkhawk in the MCU and the Guardians can have a War of Kings film for a 4th film.

Annihilation would be a far better story, a cosmic equivalent of the Avengers films. Multiple heroes, massive scope, epic battles, and it revamps the status quo for going into the next cosmic phase.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Start listening from 13:40

https://disneydish.bandcamp.com/track/marvel-us-disney-ep-2-when-we-almost-review-thor-11152017

Jim Hill is a Disney insider with plenty of history of dishing out inside scoop on all things Disney. He also has sources inside of Disney.

He recently started the Disney Marvel Us podcast to talk all things Marvel. According to him, people inside Disney have told him that Disney has the FF movie rights and they have had it since last year. He mentions the XMen TV shows as what Fox got for giving up the FF rights. According to him, Disney has the movie rights regardless of a possible Disney Fox acquisition.

It certainly makes one think when you get Jim saying that along with James Gunn going "Ego was 100% Fox and we traded it for allowing Fox to change Negasonic, then the story changed saying Ego was shared and Marvel got him exclusively for allowing Fox to change Negasonic", Watchers in GoTG and Skrulls in Captain Marvel and Kevin Feige going, "No. There’s joint custody with a number of things. There are certain characters that they have, but races that we share. If that makes sense?"

Maybe Willie will get a surprise in IW movie trailer regardless of a Fox purchase lol.

Take it with a grain of salt.

I won't get excited until we have something official on one front or another, but... t:

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

If Disney had the rights why would fox announce a Doom script being in the works and entertain The fantastikids idea?

The Fantastikids was never announced, just a rumor. And as for the Doom film - maybe a joint venture? Hawley is currently working on the joint Fox/Marvel TV shows.

The difference between a Fox Doom film and a Marvel Doom film would be night and day.

...but the more reasonable interpretation is this rumor isn't real. When did Feige say Fox still had the rights? Wasn't that around June?

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

If Disney had the rights why would fox announce a Doom script being in the works and entertain The fantastikids idea?

Great point. Although those things weren't actually announced - just talk and rumors.

Now it never made sense to me that Marvel gave Fox the X-Men TV rights in exchange for NOTHING. I could also understand if they wanted to keep this kind of a deal quiet for a while. But at the same time, if what this guy is saying is true, then I would not expect to hear rumblings about the Doom script or the Fantastikids nonsense.

None of this adds up really.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think it's very possible that Marvel got the rights to Galactus and Silver Surfer (and maybe a couple other related characters) at the time they made the TV deal.

We know they had tried to work a deal to get those two characters by trading a Daredevil extension, and we know that those characters could be key to the increasingly cosmic nature of the MCU.

We saw a youtube video for Silver Surfer at a time that all the other related videos were focused on characters in the MCU. The Russo brothers mentioned Galactus in connection with Infinity wars (before being called on it and walking it back).

We have this report and others from purported insiders that said the FF rights were traded for the TV rights (which could result from people 'hearing things' but not having the detailed facts).

We had the Watchers in GOTG2.

And of course it would seem odd that Marvel would have granted the TV rights for nothing.

Add all that up and it seems well within the realm of possibility that Marvel got Galactus and Silver Surfer as part of the TV deal.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

None of this adds up really.

Consider my above post. Is there anything that doesn't add up or seems incongruous with the idea that they got Galactus and Silver Surfer for the TV rights?

I'm trying to think through everything myself and I can't come up with anything that contradicts that theory.

But if so, they would likely want to hold that back as a big surprise for Infinity Wars.

 

[Zarex]

Start listening from 13:40

https://disneydish.bandcamp.com/track/marvel-us-disney-ep-2-when-we-almost-review-thor-11152017

Jim Hill is a Disney insider with plenty of history of dishing out inside scoop on all things Disney. He also has sources inside of Disney.

He recently started the Disney Marvel Us podcast to talk all things Marvel. According to him, people inside Disney have told him that Disney has the FF movie rights and they have had it since last year. He mentions the XMen TV shows as what Fox got for giving up the FF rights. According to him, Disney has the movie rights regardless of a possible Disney Fox acquisition.

It certainly makes one think when you get Jim saying that along with James Gunn going "Ego was 100% Fox and we traded it for allowing Fox to change Negasonic, then the story changed saying Ego was shared and Marvel got him exclusively for allowing Fox to change Negasonic", Watchers in GoTG and Skrulls in Captain Marvel and Kevin Feige going, "No. There’s joint custody with a number of things. There are certain characters that they have, but races that we share. If that makes sense?"

Maybe Willie will get a surprise in IW movie trailer regardless of a Fox purchase lol.

Take it with a grain of salt.

Great find! I'd prefer to have confirmation from Kevin Feige, but Jim Hill's been writing about Disney for many years and the fact that more than one source has told him the FF rights have reverted is certainly promising. I was quite outspoken about the fact that Marvel wouldn't have transferred TV rights to FOX without getting character rights in return, so it would be lovely if I were proven right (for once).

In regards to the Fantastikids rumor and Doom: Origin announcement...... Jim mentions on the podcast that FOX was looking for a deal similar to the Sony/Spidey arrangement, so the Murdoch's may have retained the right to do spinoffs either in conjunction with Marvel Studios or on their own. It's not ideal, but just think of the crowd response in the theater if a spaceship with a well worn "Future Foundation" logo passes by the screen in the Avengers 4 post credit scene. Whatever arrangements required to get to that point would be well worth the aggravation.