The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - Part 13

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Yeah, but if Disney ended up with some properties as part of the trade agreement that don't necessarily fit with what people think of when they think of Disney, they may be able to resell the rights again to get some of the products they want back from some of the other Studios. For example Planet of the Apes, Aliens and Predator for a true Spiderman homecoming. Or maybe something like Die Hard for the distribution rights to the Incredible Hulk to return home. I am not saying these specific trades I made up are fair, but the point is if they end up with properties they don't want from fox they may still be able to use it to their advantage.

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It would be strange if Disney bought Time Warner. To think we could see the Avengers interact with the Justice League before they do the X-Men is truly Bizarro World...
 
So, this is another thing to think about. Why, when we got both T:R and BP teasers just before the movie 2 ahead of it, have we still not a peep on the IW teaser? Or, do I actually have to go see the next SW movie, which I gave up on a long time ago, in a galaxy too danged close for comfort?
 
I'd bet the Comic Con leak changed their plans on the IW trailer and it was delayed.

I think we'll get a trailer with Star Wars and then probably a second one with BP, if not even later in March. That'll be it.
 
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Not much new in this Variety article, but a media specialist at Needham & Co. speculates that Disney will move forward on grabbing additional content and that both FOX and Time Warner are potential targets.

http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/old-media-digital-deals-1202620994/
Ultimately, I think the at&t deal is going to get approval. However there will likely be concessions from at&t in order to consummate that deal. Such as the spinoff/sale of DirectTV, which was directly cited as a reason for the DOJ suing. at&t has 2x TV distribution systems in their Uverse offering along with DirectTV. That does potentially leave room for abuses. That will put Time Warner out of reach.

Disney (and/or Universal) do have other potential targets such as Viacom, which is very vulnerable right now.

Something from the article that stuck out at me though:
The even more intriguing question is whether a cash-rich company like Apple or Google will turn the tables and go after a Disney or a Comcast.
Google will never be allowed to buy an ISP/content distribution company. There are already rumblings of an antitrust case coming together against them as a result of the way they are abusing their position (very much like Microsoft of the 90's) and other monopolistic behaviors. If they make a move like that, it will likely bring them front and center with the DOJ.

It would be strange if Disney bought Time Warner. To think we could see the Avengers interact with the Justice League before they do the X-Men is truly Bizarro World...
I just don't see that ever happening. Not that it wouldn't be cool, but the smaller comics publishers would be insane not to challenge that deal.
 
I just don't see that ever happening. Not that it wouldn't be cool, but the smaller comics publishers would be insane not to challenge that deal.

I think you're probably right, but the biggest hurdle will be AT&T. They won't let TW go that easily. While that situation plays out on the political stage, I think Disney will get Fox and be on their merry way. I should say 'keep hope alive' they get Fox.
 
Yeah, but if Disney ended up with some properties as part of the trade agreement that don't necessarily fit with what people think of when they think of Disney, they may be able to resell the rights again to get some of the products they want back from some of the other Studios. For example Planet of the Apes, Aliens and Predator for a true Spiderman homecoming. Or maybe something like Die Hard for the distribution rights to the Incredible Hulk to return home. I am not saying these specific trades I made up are fair, but the point is if they end up with properties they don't want from fox they may still be able to use it to their advantage.

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I agree. I think either leading a consortium and or getting the (they could also offer to not release any Disney or subsidiaries movies within a week of a reboot for one of those franchises if they release in the summer to sweeten the pot). It is a smart play. For theme park rights though, they would have to give up a little more, like not pursuing star/sky and/or trading those at a cheaper price to comcast.

Not much new in this Variety article, but a media specialist at Needham & Co. speculates that Disney will move forward on grabbing additional content and that both FOX and Time Warner are potential targets.

http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/old-media-digital-deals-1202620994/

IMHO it makes sense. They should just focus on acquiring certain properties that fit their ethos. They could also consider acquiring lightstorm for full Avatar ownership, for example.

So, this is another thing to think about. Why, when we got both T:R and BP teasers just before the movie 2 ahead of it, have we still not a peep on the IW teaser? Or, do I actually have to go see the next SW movie, which I gave up on a long time ago, in a galaxy too danged close for comfort?

You'll be able to watch it regardless, without need to go to the theater. However, TLJ looks awesome. I'm very hyped for it, especially after Disney gave the man a brand new trilogy, showing confidence in his final product. It also helps that I just found out he directed the very best episode of Breaking Bad, Ozymandias.

I'm curious as to whether Disney may try to keep the leagues invested in it. It would help with their negotiations for streaming rights to use on the ESPN app, as the leagues would have an invested interest. Though that could also raise conflict of interest accusations. So will be interesting to see how that plays out.

If ESPN+ and Disneyflix take off, they are going to buy it without hesitation.

Disney (and/or Universal) do have other potential targets such as Viacom, which is very vulnerable right now.

The only thing Disney should get out of Viacom are the distribution rights to Indiana Jones 1-4 and future participation on Indy films. This is actually a perfect time to do that and surprised it hasn't happened (or if it has, we haven't heard about it).

I just don't see that ever happening. Not that it wouldn't be cool, but the smaller comics publishers would be insane not to challenge that deal.

I agree that smaller comic publishers would challenge it, but it would be for naught. That wouldn't even be the biggest challenge. The DOJ/SEC wouldn't focus on comic book market share on such a merger. It's the same reason experts believe that the DOJ will look at it but allow it to happen if Mattel and Hasbro do try to merge. Comic books ultimately are a subset of books, magazines, and other publishing items.

When the music industry started consolidating and we were left with essentially 3 main label companies and 2 publishing companies, the independent scene grew rapidly. I would expect something similar to happen in comic books if this were to happen, especially in this day and age where it's much easier to create and distribute content independently. Also, fun fact speaking of the music industry, it used to be "Big 6" in music labels too. In the late 90s it went from 6 to 5, then in the mid 2000s from 5 to 4, and then in 2012 from 4 to 3. The same could be happening in the movie industry right now.
 
Ultimately, I think the at&t deal is going to get approval. However there will likely be concessions from at&t in order to consummate that deal. Such as the spinoff/sale of DirectTV, which was directly cited as a reason for the DOJ suing. at&t has 2x TV distribution systems in their Uverse offering along with DirectTV. That does potentially leave room for abuses. That will put Time Warner out of reach.

Disney (and/or Universal) do have other potential targets such as Viacom, which is very vulnerable right now.

Something from the article that stuck out at me though:
Google will never be allowed to buy an ISP/content distribution company. There are already rumblings of an antitrust case coming together against them as a result of the way they are abusing their position (very much like Microsoft of the 90's) and other monopolistic behaviors. If they make a move like that, it will likely bring them front and center with the DOJ.

I just don't see that ever happening. Not that it wouldn't be cool, but the smaller comics publishers would be insane not to challenge that deal.

Don't need to buy, they have their "GoogleFiber" division. Know it as they just started laying cable in my area here in Salt Lake.
 
It's all just fantasy at this point... still fun to imagine the day. :woot:

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Don't need to buy, they have their "GoogleFiber" division. Know it as they just started laying cable in my area here in Salt Lake.
They aren't taking that any further beyond where it was already building infrastructure though. The cost of building out the infrastructure is insanely high, which is why even the gigantic ISP's are going to take decades to build out an upgraded backbone.
 
What if....?

Okay, done channeling Uatu, but hypothetically, we might be missing something. Like a big deal between them all. What if Disney's price included Fox making arrangements with other studios to get all the rights for Marvel home? (Yeah, I know, Uatu rose up again, he's like that, pops up when you least expect him to get Ben Grimm to say "Something's rotten in the state o' Denmark". And things like that.)

It would be a heckuva a deal to do, require talking to all the other studios, some serious franchise horse trading, some serious cash moving from Diz to Fox, and lots of not just backroom negotiations, but some dark, narrow alley fights, I imagine.
 
Brighter note, if the Hawley thing moves forward and the deal dies, at least we don't have to worry about "Doom:The Musical"
 
He does say this is how he thinks, not what he's heard. He is speculating, just like us, and I think we will, like he says, get an announcement, just to make us stop jiggling their elbows at Marvel.
 
He does say this is how he thinks, not what he's heard. He is speculating, just like us, and I think we will, like he says, get an announcement, just to make us stop jiggling their elbows at Marvel.
I've frequently seen his channel pass off speculation as leaks and facts.
 
oh, he does get caught up in the moment, but remember he's after views, the youtube version of a blogger's "hits" on a page. He has to go sensational to keep it up. I enjoy his stuff, but take it with a whole can of salt, not just a grain.
 
Which, I might add, probably is why I should watch my sodium intake. Especially right after Turkey with extra salt day.
 
I will admit one thing... This deal being talked about has me watching the biz news sections more closely, which might violate a deal I have with a buddy about staying out of the markets, as the only stock I can safely invest in is Coke, every other stock investment I ever made, even company stock where I work, is rapidly followed by a massive downturn.
But, I hope he realizes I ain't investing, just hoping for good news on the entertainment front.
 
TW still held shares of the parent name spinoff. Like they did in AOL, before it spiralled into oblivion in its spinoff. Now, what other part, besides the old Turner unit, would they need to shed for WB to go under the ATT umbrella? And the same for Fox, what do they have to shed to some conservative coalition to guarantee their sale?
 
oh, he does get caught up in the moment, but remember he's after views, the youtube version of a blogger's "hits" on a page. He has to go sensational to keep it up. I enjoy his stuff, but take it with a whole can of salt, not just a grain.
So basically, he's reporting fake news for clicks.
 
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