The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Xeno]

Doctor Doom is a great villain but am I the one one who thinks his name is a bit goofy and on-the-nose? I don't think characters should be even refer him as Doctor Doom just 'Doom' or 'Victor'. I just can't see any actor saying his full-name without chuckling.

No, you're not the only one who thinks that. The late, not-so-great Josh Trank thought that Doctor Doom was a goofy name, too. In the original script for Fan4stic, Victor von Doom was going to be called "Victor Domashev". Instead of being a scientist/sorcerer/Balkans dictator, he was an angry blogger/computer hacker. In the finished movie, he was a run-of-the-mill geek who was only called "Doctor Doom" in a lame attempt at sarcastic humor.

You really should buy Fan4stic and watch it ASAP. You'll probably love it.

 

[LaughterLives]

Doctor Doom is a great villain but am I the one one who thinks his name is a bit goofy and on-the-nose? I don't think characters should be even refer him as Doctor Doom just 'Doom' or 'Victor'. I just can't see any actor saying his full-name without chuckling.

I feel this way about Silver Surfer

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Dr. Doom could be an old college running joke, sort of. Though everyone just refers to him as Doom when they confront him.

But really everyone's name is on the nose:

Dr. Doom
Silver surfer
Invisible woman
Human torch
Captain America
Black panther

Etc.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think some of the worst moments in comic book films are when the film-makers are embarrassed by the source material and change things or offer awkward explanations, and the best are when they just go with it.

Let Doom be Doom!

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Dr. Doom could be an old college running joke, sort of. Though everyone just refers to him as Doom when they confront him.

Eh, no thanks. His last name is Doom, and he's a doctor. Doesn't really need much more than that.

 

[wobbly]

Wasn't a problem at all for Doctor Strange. Wouldn't be one for Doctor Doom.

 

[DrCosmic]

Wasn't a problem at all for Doctor Strange. Wouldn't be one for Doctor Doom.

Compelling, but Doom is way more on the nose than Strange, and far more uncommon. It'd be like if DS was a guy named Stephen Savior, an unlikely last name also happened to be the guy who saves people in the film, a unique position in the story and took up the superhero name Dr. Savior.

And what's more, Strange lampshaded the oddity of the name in a great gag, because it is a little bit ridiculous, and there's nothing wrong with having fun with that.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

Eh, it works because its Doctor Doom, the, if not one of the, most iconic Marvel villains in history. The name may be “on the nose”, but if the movie changes his name, there would be a backlash, much like Fant4stic changing it to ‘Victor Domashev’ until rewrites removed that.

 

[Iceman]

Dr. Doom could be an old college running joke, sort of. Though everyone just refers to him as Doom when they confront him.

But really everyone's name is on the nose:

Dr. Doom
Silver surfer
Invisible woman
Human torch
Captain America
Black panther

Etc.

Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman (& man) and Superman (& family) too.

 

[Dark Raven]

It's because people think that Doom can't be a proper surname. But there are celebrities with the name O'Doom.

Just like they had to make a big think out of the name "Kilgrave" as if no-one would have such a name. But it just sounds like an Irish name to me. No different to a name like Kilgore. On the Flash though, they seemed to also make it as if that name "Kilgore" is unusual, as if people will only think of "Kill Gore". I know people with the surname "Kilgore" though.

And Strange isn't an unusual name. I've known people with that surname too.

 

[Chance Jackson]

Dr. Doom could be an old college running joke, sort of. Though everyone just refers to him as Doom when they confront him.

But really everyone's name is on the nose:

Dr. Doom
Silver surfer
Invisible woman
Human torch
Captain America
Black panther

Etc.

Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman (& man) and Superman (& family) too.

Those are all on a different level than Dr. Doom except for Silver Surfer

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's because people think that Doom can't be a proper surname. But there are celebrities with the name O'Doom.

Just like they had to make a big think out of the name "Kilgrave" as if no-one would have such a name. But it just sounds like an Irish name to me. No different to a name like Kilgore. On the Flash though, they seemed to also make it as if that name "Kilgore" is unusual, as if people will only think of "Kill Gore". I know people with the surname "Kilgore" though.

And Strange isn't an unusual name. I've known people with that surname too.

There has been a war on Doom's name since the Ultimate universe first changed him to Victor Van Damme. I remember initially, it was rumored they would use that name in the Tim Story movie, before they ended up using Victor Von Doom because we all raged. Same for the Trank movie.

Have you all learned nothing!!! LEAVE THE NAME ALONE!!!

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Marvel put out a movie called Dr. Strange. Its no more or less stupid than Dr. Doom. So why don't we just save ourselves the hassle and leave the name alone?

 

[Jordacar]

I wanna see Strange and Doom meet for the first time.

STRANGE: Doctor.
DOOM: Doctor.
STRANGE: Well, now that that's out of the way.
[They blast each other with magic]

 

[Dark Raven]

If you think about it, any real name could sound corny with doctor in front of it: Dr Payne (not known for his bedside manner); Dr Strong (good for keeping patients strapped down); Dr Stone (the type you don't want to gain on a weight loss program); Dr Best (your favourite physician); Dr Hans (the type you don't want wandering during a gynaecology exam).

 

[Iceman]

It's going to be so weird seeing a Doom on screen who hasn't been totally shat on.

 

[Raiden]

Once MCU gives us a comics accurate Doctor Doom with his name, costume, and powers (science & sorcery) intact, people will not think it's weird anymore. The same could be said about Darth Vader, which Lucas admitted was inspired by Doom.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm wondering if years of seeing Doom done poorly on the big screen has resulted in Marvel being convinced that he can't work and that he's a lame villain who needs reimagining.

 

[Random490]

I'm wondering if years of seeing Doom done poorly on the big screen has resulted in Marvel being convinced that he can't work and that he's a lame villain who needs reimagining.

Fortunately, Marvel Studios is much smarter than that.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Those are all on a different level than Dr. Doom except for Silver Surfer

How exactly? Lol

 

[Raiden]

I'm wondering if years of seeing Doom done poorly on the big screen has resulted in Marvel being convinced that he can't work and that he's a lame villain who needs reimagining.

Marvel has turned one of the "lamest" Spider-Man villain Vulture into one of his coolest ever. Doctor Doom should be no problem, especially since they've established the realm of magic so he can be not just a scientist and an inventor, but a sorcerer as well.

 

[wobbly]

I'm wondering if years of seeing Doom done poorly on the big screen has resulted in Marvel being convinced that he can't work and that he's a lame villain who needs reimagining.

If Fox had done an accurate Doom then maybe, but since they didn't in any of their films Marvel pretty much have a green light to go accurate and it would still be something new for audiences.

I could see them updating elements of the classic costume, but give him armour that is easily as powerful as Iron-Mans, no super powers for the man himself, hideously scarred face, ruler of Latveria etc. None of these things have been done (beyond Corman's effort which is a fan curiosity) so simply staying on point with the characters comic book roots would be a re-imagining in itself for the movie going audience.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I could see them updating elements of the classic costume, but give him armour that is easily as powerful as Iron-Mans, no super powers for the man himself,

I'd like to see them go with a classic armor design and hint at the capabilities, but rarely show much. He shouldn't lower himself to actual combat except for unusual circumstances.

 

[Smurphftw]

Marvel put out a movie called Dr. Strange. Its no more or less stupid than Dr. Doom. So why don't we just save ourselves the hassle and leave the name alone?

Strange is a fairly common surname. I have yet to hear of anyone with the surname of "Doom" in the real world.

It's not an unsolvable problem, but comparing Strange with Doom and saying they are the same thing is absurd.

 

[wobbly]

I'd like to see them go with a classic armor design and hint at the capabilities, but rarely show much. He shouldn't lower himself to actual combat except for unusual circumstances.

I was thinking more of the green tunic/'skirt' combo. Keep the cape, that's iconic, but jazzing up the rest would be fine.

For the armour I agree keeping it comparatively simple to Starks suits appearance wise would be best. The mask again is iconic so I'd like them to stay close to that, but articulate the jaw peice so his mouth can move when he speaks.