The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - Part 18

[DyfeddRex]

Except for the FFINO defenders who wanted to see Fant4stic 10 times.

Those still exist? I thought they died off when Fish & Wildlife revoked their "endangered species" status?

 

[DyfeddRex]

our hopes this week rest on pins and needles, and sleep is on a bed of nails.

Let us pray Stan "The Man"'s special announcement resolves things outside the politics and business of the deal

Our Eternity, who channels Kirby...

 

[Big Bang]

Damn. This has become a much bigger problem than I anticipated.



That's what worries me the most. Even if she steps down, the person who replaces her could damage the franchise as much as she did or even worse. What we need is someone who really cares about the Star Wars universe, its lore, and the potential it represents instead of someone who just wants to impose their agenda.

Big Bang mentioned Dave Filoni. I've only seen Clone Wars, so I can't agree or disagree. I would need to see more of his work before giving my full opinion and taking a definitive stance.

Dave Filoni also was behind Rebels and worked on Avatar: The Last Airbender for Nickelodeon. He is often considered as George Lucas's Padawan by many fans. He's done quite a bit of voice acting and animation as well. Above of things, he is a diehard Star Wars fan. We're talking Kevin Feige level here.

What I really like about the guy is how he approaches things. For example, when he co-created Ahsoka Tano (along with George Lucas):

Filoni initially struggled with writing Ahsoka because he had "zero perspective" on what it was like to be a 14-year-old girl. He therefore shifted his focus and instead wrote Ahsoka primarily as a Jedi who just happens to be an adolescent female.

and proceeded to create one of the most popular female characters in Star Wars.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

One can only hope, but I believe it when I see it. I would also need to see who would replace her before being excited about it.

Damn. This has become a much bigger problem than I anticipated.



That's what worries me the most. Even if she steps down, the person who replaces her could damage the franchise as much as she did or even worse. What we need is someone who really cares about the Star Wars universe, its lore, and the potential it represents instead of someone who just wants to impose their agenda.

Big Bang mentioned Dave Filoni. I've only seen Clone Wars, so I can't agree or disagree. I would need to see more of his work before giving my full opinion and taking a definitive stance.

Not only will it be tough to find the right person, but a lot of damage has already been done.

These films could have and should have been so much better. And not only have they first ruined and then killed the characters we loved, but they're trying to force us to love new, dull, charisma-less characters.

I've been a huge fan since 1977, but I'm finding myself losing interest for the first time since 1977.

... but I don't want to get too far off topic, I just couldn't hold back from venting.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Those still exist? I thought they died off when Fish & Wildlife revoked their "endangered species" status?

I actually think a lot of people learned their lesson. I think there were a lot of people who honestly wanted to believe the film would be good and Fox and Kinberg taught them a tough and sad lesson.

... and I have a strong feeling that anyone who didn't learn the lesson then will soon be learning it when we find out more about Dark Phoenix.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

our hopes this week rest on pins and needles, and sleep is on a bed of nails.

Let us pray Stan "The Man"'s special announcement resolves things outside the politics and business of the deal

Our Eternity, who channels Kirby...

The way I look at it, we can only get good or neutral news on June 12.

If the deal doesn't get approved (and I have a feeling at least some elements will be flagged which will require additional work and won't be the kind of clean resolution Comcast will need), that's good news for us.

If the deal does get approved, oh well, now we have to listen to Comcast's noise, but there are still a LOT of dominoes that will have to fall in a way they're not likely to happen for June 12 to really prevent Marvel from getting the rights back.

 

[Dark Raven]

I actually think a lot of people learned their lesson. I think there were a lot of people who honestly wanted to believe the film would be good and Fox and Kinberg taught them a tough and sad lesson.

... and I have a strong feeling that anyone who didn't learn the lesson then will soon be learning it when we find out more about Dark Phoenix.

They will never learn their lesson. Some didn't care if Fant4stic was bad. They still wanted it to do well simply for the sake of keeping it with Fox and because they were contrarian. They wouldn't care if Dark Phoenix is bad either.

 

[Big Bang]

I actually think a lot of people learned their lesson. I think there were a lot of people who honestly wanted to believe the film would be good and Fox and Kinberg taught them a tough and sad lesson.

... and I have a strong feeling that anyone who didn't learn the lesson then will soon be learning it when we find out more about Dark Phoenix.

I don't know about that. Never underestimate how stubborn people can be. There will always be those who want to play keep away with Marvel, which simply boggles the mind.

 

[Detective Conan]

Dave Filoni also was behind Rebels and worked on Avatar: The Last Airbender for Nickelodeon. He is often considered as George Lucas's Padawan by many fans. He's done quite a bit of voice acting and animation as well. Above of things, he is a diehard Star Wars fan. We're talking Kevin Feige level here.

Eh, well not quite. To me Filoni is another Geoff Johns; yeah sure he’s a great creative force in one medium(comics, cartoons) but that doesn’t mean he’ll be a good force in terms of live-action since he has little to no experience managing business side of things. Filoni is good showrunner and unlike Kennedy he does have a vast knowledge of Star Wars but the what people are missing when they make the Fiege comparison is that while Feige has an intimate knowledge of the Marvel Universe he also had what Filoni doesn’t - film experience. Feige had worked on many Marvel films as an executive producer and saw the ins-and-outs if everything so he could apply those lessons to the films he worked on when he became the head honcho of Marvel Studios.
Filoni has none of that.

 

[Zarex]

The best choice to be put in charge of Star Wars is already working for the Mouse. Bump Ms. Kennedy upstairs after Alan Horn's retirement (He's 75!) and put Feige in charge of ALL Disney live action - Marvel, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Animation Remakes, and the FOX franchises that are (probably) coming over.

Feige's an enormous Star Wars fan who had offered his services to Lucasfilm after the buyout, and he has had some mild success managing a cinematic universe. I see him as the "hands on" type who would probably prefer remaining in the production trenches over taking a schmoozer executive role as Studio Chief. Though his day to day work on the MCU would be limited in a new role it would at least keep him around after his contract runs out.

 

[Dark Raven]

The best choice to be put in charge of Star Wars is already working for the Mouse. Bump Ms. Kennedy upstairs after Alan Horn's retirement (He's 75!) and put Feige in charge of ALL Disney live action - Marvel, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Animation Remakes, and the FOX franchises that are (probably) coming over.

Having Feige spread too thinly over all these franchises would probably be detrimental to Marvel. Let someone else do it and let him continue with the MCU.

 

[Zarex]

Having Feige spread too thinly over all these franchises would probably be detrimental to Marvel. Let someone else do it and let him continue with the MCU.

Feige's contract runs out next year and I'm not sure he'll be sticking around to do the same job for the next decade. Keeping him in the fold should be a major priority for Iger, and a big bump in responsibilities (and pay) may convince him to extend his stay.

 

[Detective Conan]

Fiege already has hands full managing production on three Marvel films. He wouldn’t have the time. I wonder if The Russo Brothers would be interested? they’re pretty big Star Wars nuts themselves.

 

[Zarex]

Fiege already has hands full managing production on three Marvel films. He wouldn’t have the time. I wonder if The Russo Brothers would be interested? they’re pretty big Star Wars nuts themselves.

He wouldn't be as hands on in this scenario. Feige would oversee the Disney live action franchises and others would take Feige and Kennedy's role running Marvel and Lucasfilm. The Russos recently started their own production company, so I doubt they would leave to run either studio.

 

[DyfeddRex]

I must now confess to still not having subjected my fragile psyche(s) to Fan4tastic....


I promised to do so if we got them back... they still ain't officially back. How much booze will I need to watch it, or is there a version of "Hi, Bob" you play while watching it?

 

[DyfeddRex]

okay, Dollar, do I have to hand over a full bag of chocolate kisses from Hershey's or just the few stated for your votes....

 

[Zarex]

Media analyst Rich Greenfield is saying that Rupert is no longer set on selling to Disney and will be willing to accept the highest price for his spin off assets, regardless of whether it's coming from Kabletown or the Mouse.

https://cheddar.com/videos/rich-greenfield-murdoch-no-longer-set-on-selling-to-disney-for-stock

I've been thinking for a while that the best option for Iger maybe to try and finagle some pieces that fit best with his organization (Star Wars distribution, Marvel rights & the 6 RSNs Comcast will have to spin off) and wait for the next deal.

 

[Detective Conan]

I really couldn’t care less who buys Fox I only care about the Fantastic Four rights which are currently stuck with Fox and really need to back to Marvel ASAP before that Doctor Doom movie no one asked for goes into production. The real newsthat interests me is what happens to the Marvel rights if Comcast were to get Fox. I suspect that if Comcast got the rights they would not revert to Marvel but stay with Fox(or be transferred to Universal, and they’d reboot anyway), or perhaps things remain the same & Comcast lets Fox continue on with things like they were never bought —either way my chief concern is the Marvel rights(especially Fantastic Four rights). All this corporate stuff involved is making my head spin as I’m not well-versed in that subject(I’m a layman sue me).

I still have a tough time believing Disney is going to roll over and let a Comcast get those Star Wars rights(which are worthless in Kabletown’s hands anyway) but hey if Disney can’t win and Comcast gets Fantastic Four I’ll be disappointed but hey I’ll always have the comics...and my dreams.

Looks like Murdoch wants a bidding war like his shareholders do. So it’s going to be interesting come June 12th. The fate of Marvel Universe lays in that Judges decision on Monday!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I really couldn’t care less who buys Fox I only care about the Fantastic Four rights which are currently stuck with Fox and really need to back to Marvel ASAP before that Doctor Doom movie no one asked for goes into production.

The real newsthat interests me is what happens to the Marvel rights if Comcast were to get Fox. I suspect that if Comcast got the rights they would not revert to Marvel but stay with Fox(or be transferred to Universal, and they’d reboot anyway), or perhaps things remain the same & Comcast lets Fox continue on with things like they were never bought —either way my chief concern is the Marvel rights(especially Fantastic Four rights).

I'm nearly certain the rights wouldn't automatically revert, but I'm less certain of what Comcast would do.

A Doom or FF film made without Marvel/Disney cooperation is likely to be a loser, and Comcast should recognize that (we will all certainly let everybody who will listen know our opinion if it comes to that).

But I also think that's such a slim possibility that there's not much point in worrying about or discussing it.

Disney isn't going to walk away from this with nothing and the assets we're most concerned with are more valuable to Disney than Comcast, so one way or another, I think it's a near certainty that Marvel will have the rights by the time the dust settles - and they're likely to have a lot more on top of it.

If I really, really wanted Disney to get Sky, I'd be nervous right now, but that's not my concern, so I'm not nervous.

 

[ImSGirl95]

What was June 12th again? The vote at Fox or the AT merger?

 

[Detective Conan]

What was June 12th again? The vote at Fox or the AT merger?

The Judge is expected to make a decision on the AT&T/Time Warner merger on June 12th.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm nearly certain the rights wouldn't automatically revert, but I'm less certain of what Comcast would do.

A Doom or FF film made without Marvel/Disney cooperation is likely to be a loser, and Comcast should recognize that (we will all certainly let everybody who will listen know our opinion if it comes to that).

But I also think that's such a slim possibility that there's not much point in worrying about or discussing it.

Disney isn't going to walk away from this with nothing and the assets we're most concerned with are more valuable to Disney than Comcast, so one way or another, I think it's a near certainty that Marvel will have the rights by the time the dust settles - and they're likely to have a lot more on top of it.

If I really, really wanted Disney to get Sky, I'd be nervous right now, but that's not my concern, so I'm not nervous.

What if they walked away with just Sky? That wouldn't be appreciated by the fans.

Comcast could conceivably make a Fantastic Four movie with Namor as well and also Thing vs Hulk.

 

[DyfeddRex]

Between all his posts about things being "Fantastic", using Xmen characters and the like, I wonder if RDJ is telling us to stop worrying, and knows something he cannot outright say...

 

[Big Bang]

If I really, really wanted Disney to get Sky, I'd be nervous right now, but that's not my concern, so I'm not nervous.

When you get down to it, I can see Disney backing off of Sky, and instead pursuing a similar company that can be leveraged at a much lower cost or doubling down on Star rather than risk investment by trying to compete with Comcast for Sky.

Overall, there is a considerable amount to be gained with Fox (minus Sky), so I just don't see Disney backing off when they are critical to their OTT plans. (especially Hulu).

 

[Detective Conan]

The AT&T/Time Warner deal could still fall apart even if Judge approves.

Even if Judge Richard Leon next week allows AT&T’s $85 billion acquisition of Time Warner, the telco can still end up a loser.

President Trump’s Department of Justice, if it loses its suit to stop the mega-merger, could appeal and ask for a stay — a delay that could stop the merger from closing for four to six months while an appellate court ponders a decision, legal experts said.

And that could be enough to rock the merger off its foundation, sources said, as the merger agreement expires on June 21.

Judge Leon is expected to rule on June 12. Ruling against the merger would kill the deal, for sure — and cast a chill on the many others lining up to gain antitrust approval.


To be sure, while a DOJ appeal of an adverse ruling is nearly a sure thing, winning a stay is not a sure thing. In the last seven antitrust appeals in merger cases, the government has won significant enough stays to delay the underlying merger three times, or 43 percent of the time, according to a recent Bank of America analysis.

That includes in 2000, when emergency relief was granted to the Federal Trade Commission in its suit to stop HJ Heinz from buying Beech-Nut, according to the BofA analysis.

Six of those seven were FTC cases — and not DOJ cases like the AT&T fight — and the standard for getting a delay in a DOJ case is higher.

Whether Trump’s regulators could get a stay pending appeal in the AT&T case is a matter of some debate, sources familiar with the case tell The Post.

If the DOJ loses the AT&T case but wins a stay on appeal, there is a 50-50 chance the deal could fall apart before the appellate argument is even heard, according to the analysis, prepared for its hedge fund clients and reviewed by The Post.

Of course, Time Warner may just threaten to walk in hopes of winning a higher price from AT&T, one source close to the situation maintained.

The telco should have to pay more because the deal, going on two years, is taking so much time to clear — and Time Warner could attract more from other potential suitors, the source said.

We know DOJ has also raised concerns about a potential Comcast Merger with Fox as well so even if Comcast re-bids for Fox assets it’s still going to be interesting to see the pushback.