The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - Part 18

[Bach]

You guys think that if the Disney / Fox deal was successful Deadpool would still be the same? With Ryan Reynolds? Secondary characters would most probably be recasted, though.

 

[Detective Conan]

In such a scenario, I would want Comcast/Universal to do a complete reboot on the X-Men. i'm beyond tired of the current universe. So even if Comcast gets it, I hope they wipe the slate clean and keep Deadpool\X-Force

Yeah I really can’t see a world where the X-Men don’t get a reboot. Dark Phoenix is pretty much DOA and if the recent leaked reddit spoilers are to be believed it seems like they will need to finally wipe the slate clean. Half the actors have reached the end of their contracts —the Wolverine character wil be retired for a while, and frankly they can’t keep doing these dumb period pieces anymore. The main X-Men franchise is going to be rebooted one or another no matter who gets it.

And Deadpool will be likely be left alone.

 

[Detective Conan]

Even if Disney doesn’t get Fantastic Four they’ll always have the Incredibles(which is actually more popular than the FF on film).

The Incredibles 2 is the only Fantastic Four movie not made by Marvel that I’m looking forward to.

Very excited for it next week. May need the Incredibles 2 to help me get over the reality of Comcast preventing the First Family from coming home.

 

[Xeno]

If worse comes to worse and Comcast wins the bidding war, I hope that the $100 billion dollars in debt it has to take on sinks it. The best outcome would be an eventual fire sale of once-coveted assets to service the debt or an Enron-style implosion. I don't think I would ever stop laughing if that were to happen.

 

[Jordacar]

Even if Disney doesn’t get Fantastic Four they’ll always have the Incredibles(which is actually more popular than the FF on film).

The Incredibles 2 is the only Fantastic Four movie not made by Marvel that I’m looking forward to.

Very excited for it next week. May need the Incredibles 2 to help me get over the reality of Comcast preventing the First Family from coming home.

Now that you mention it, a big difference between FF and Incredibles from a purely marketing standpoint is that the FF has great potential for renewal and (if done well) can easily sustain many installments (maybe even across different mediums) over the next decade, while for Incredibles, Pixar waited 14 years to make 1 follow-up.

There's certainly an argument to be made about quality vs quantity, but Marvel's managed to have their cake and eat it too on that front, and it's not like the MCU can do much to directly stimulate the Incredibles (or vice versa).

 

[Silvermoth]

You guys think that if the Disney / Fox deal was successful Deadpool would still be the same? With Ryan Reynolds? Secondary characters would most probably be recasted, though.

I don’t think Comcast are like feige who is generally the one strictest on the reboot rule. It’s not like Comcast are making their own universe after all

 

[Marvel united]

2 days.

 

[Detective Conan]

2 days.

I hope you don’t run out of fingernails to bite on out of nervousness cuz’ the wait for the decision is gonna be a heart-stopper.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I hope you don’t run out of fingernails to bite on out of nervousness cuz’ the wait for the decision is gonna be a heart-stopper.

Eh, I’m going with the assumption the deal will be approved and then we’ll go from there.. if the deal isn’t approved, great! If it is, oh well, that’s what I was exoecting, let’s get on with it.

 

[Big Bang]

Eh, I’m going with the assumption the deal will be approved and then we’ll go from there.. if the deal isn’t approved, great! If it is, oh well, that’s what I was exoecting, let’s get on with it.

Which ever way it rolls, it's going to be interesting to read the judge's reasoning behind his decision. I will be a little surprised if the judge doesn't cite past behaviors of AT&T's market abuse as examples of the deal being bad for consumers. Either way, I think the DOJ will appeal should AT&T prevail.

I expect Disney to prevail in the end for Fox. The pressure is building on Roberts to not go down this path, and if he does there will probably be detrimental effects to Comcast.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Which ever way it rolls, it's going to be interesting to read the judge's reasoning behind his decision. I will be a little surprised if the judge doesn't cite past behaviors of AT&T's market abuse as examples of the deal being bad for consumers. Either way, I think the DOJ will appeal should AT&T prevail.

I expect Disney to prevail in the end for Fox. The pressure is building on Roberts to not go down this path, and if he does there will probably be detrimental effects to Comcast.

And what happens in the event of a DOJ appeal? Will the deal be 'approved' if there's still pending legal action?

And what about the highly likely situation in which the judge approves a large part of the deal, but requires they re-work certain elements? Will that be considered an "approval"?

With Comcast's bid hanging on an approval, things could get interesting from the perspective of a likely somewhat ambiguous situation by the end of day Tuesday.

 

[Big Bang]

And what happens in the event of a DOJ appeal? Will the deal be 'approved' if there's still pending legal action?

And what about the highly likely situation in which the judge approves a large part of the deal, but requires they re-work certain elements? Will that be considered an "approval"?

With Comcast's bid hanging on an approval, things could get interesting from the perspective of a likely somewhat ambiguous situation by the end of day Tuesday.

More litigation, and for AT&T that is bad. The DOJ will likely seek an injunction barring the sale be completed while the issue is further litigated. So, in essence "approved", but still held up.

For Comcast, that might signal that the DOJ won't back down, and any deal might get tied up in court for months. That could signal to Fox that it would it not be in their best interests to be tied up with Comcast if they want a deal done more expediently. Previous articles have said that Disney is much further along in review, with the Chair noting the surgical precision in the way the deal is structured. So again, advantage goes to Disney.

 

[Big Bang]

An interesting bit of insight into Comcast's motivations behind getting into the battle.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-brian-roberts-comcast-20180610-htmlstory.html

Roberts’ entry isn’t a ploy to frustrate Iger or drive up the price of the assets, according to people close to him. Instead, Roberts wants Fox’s cable channels — National Geographic, FX and regional sports networks — along with Fox’s expanding operations in India and Latin America.

Principle assets, but clearly getting the other pieces that Disney wants would also be something he wants to accomplish.

 

[MasterCat]

Principle assets, but clearly getting the other pieces that Disney wants would also be something he wants to accomplish.

If those are the principal assets, there's nothing for them to fight over except Star of India. But of course having Star and Fox's Sky shares packaged with 20th Century Fox assets that mean more to Disney and cable networks that mean more to Comcast is a good way for Murdoch to get a bidding war for the benefit of his family and shareholders.

 

[Zarex]

The WSJ did an article on Star India, a media conglomerate which is valued at over $14B. This seems to be a great fit for the Mouse given its placement in a growing market, a huge customer base and ownership of a mobile streaming service, Hotstar. My guess is Iger would pick this asset over Sky if he had to choose.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/comcast-and-disney-chase-indias-shooting-star-in-fox-deal-1528635601

 

[Detective Conan]

The WSJ did an article on Star India, a media conglomerate which is valued at over $14B. This seems to be a great fit for the Mouse given its placement in a growing market, a huge customer base and ownership of a mobile streaming service, Hotstar. My guess is Iger would pick this asset over Sky if he had to choose.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/comcast-and-disney-chase-indias-shooting-star-in-fox-deal-1528635601

As I expected, Kabletown does have an interest in the Marvel properties. Makes sense though, if Comcast wants to create a streaming service that can rival its competitors then the Marvel assets are very alluring additions. Granted, its not the biggest reasons for Comcast going after Fox again but the Marvel assets at the very least are still viewed as the icing on the cake should they nab Fox from the Mouse.

 

[ironwez20]

https://www.google.com/amp/comicboo...21st-century-fox-merger-proposal-letter-vote/

Don’t know if this was posted yet

 

[Marvel united]

Tomorrow

 

[Detective Conan]

Tomorrow

No matter what happens....


And forgive the corniness on what I’m about to say.

But no matter what happens...

Never forget....

To....

.....Keep Hope Alive!!

 

[Marvel united]

No matter what happens....


And forgive the corniness on what I’m about to say.

But no matter what happens...

Never forget....

To....

.....Keep Hope Alive!!

 

[Dark Raven]

No matter what happens....


And forgive the corniness on what I’m about to say.

But no matter what happens...

Never forget....

To....

.....Keep Hope Alive!!

But if Comcast acquired Fox and the Marvel characters, could we really do that anymore? It would probably be the furthest away it has ever been.

 

[Random490]

But if Comcast acquired Fox and the Marvel characters, could we really do that anymore? It would probably be the furthest away it has ever been.

Not necessarily, It'd just be controlled by a different parent company. Since 21st Century Fox will most likely stay intact we'll just go back to square one before this deal was announced. Just different guys at the top who aren't as concern with Superhero films, just like before.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

But if Comcast acquired Fox and the Marvel characters, could we really do that anymore? It would probably be the furthest away it has ever been.

Nope. I don't think so. Remember this thread was initiated by Fox announcing that Josh Trank was directing the FF film, so on the day this thread was started, most of us thought, at a minimum, we would have to wait out production and release of an FF film.

The whole point at the time was: "Yeah, it seems hopeless, but let's keep hope alive."

I will be much more hopeful that we can see the light at the end of the tunnel even if Comcast acquires Fox than I was when this thread was started. And even if Comcast announces a film, director etc., we'd be no worse off than we were when this thread was started. And I think Comcast not only buying, but deciding to make a film is such a remote possibility that it's not even worth worrying about.

But IF all that happens, that's exactly why this thread exists.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Lest we forget, the post that started it all. January 15, 2013:

"I know this film has a release date. I know Josh Trank is attached to direct. I know they may be knee-deep in pre-production right now.

But I, and many others, still hold out hope that Fox will fumble the production of this film somehow and will end up letting the rights revert back to Marvel so the First Family of Marvel can finally be included in the MCU.

This is a thread for those that choose to keep hope alive!"

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=25005481&postcount=1

 

[Iceman]

In such a scenario, I would want Comcast/Universal to do a complete reboot on the X-Men. i'm beyond tired of the current universe. So even if Comcast gets it, I hope they wipe the slate clean and keep Deadpool\X-Force

I hadn't really considered that possibility but if Comcast took X-Men seriously and had a clean slate it could still work out well. Glad you mentioned it.