The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

[Bach]

He could be better. I can definitely imagine a better Tony Stark than RDJ

That's one of the biggest bs I've read in a while.

 

[MasterCat]

The problem with Fox/Comcast is they think they’ve already nailed it, so they’ll use the previous films for models. Marvel will use the comic books.

How do you know? Because Feige is a fan of the X-Men in particular, or because they're A- and B-list?
D-list characters haven't used the comics as models: all the non-CGI Guardians of the Galaxy, Zemo and Batroc are the ones who leap to mind.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

That's one of the biggest bs I've read in a while.

If you can’t imagine improvement in any character that has ever been done, you lack imagination.

 

[MasterCat]

Other MCU characters nothing like the comics: Hawkeye, Quicksilver, Wanda's clothes.

 

[Detective Conan]

If you can’t imagine improvement in any character that has ever been done, you lack imagination.

Its very hard to imagine someone else playing the role of Iron Man doing a better job than RDJ imo. It’s like saying you can imagine someone doing a better job playing Superman than Christopher Reeve. It’s not impossible, mind you, but it is difficult.

 

[ironwez20]

But they work

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

How do you know? Because Feige is a fan of the X-Men in particular, or because they're A- and B-list?
D-list characters haven't used the comics as models: all the non-CGI Guardians of the Galaxy, Zemo and Batroc are the ones who leap to mind.

I think your comments drift off of my point, so I’m going to address my original point rather than your specific comments.

I don’t ‘know’ anything with any certainty, but my original and succeeding comments related to the general differences between Fox (and presumably a Fox Studios owned by Comcast) and Marvel.

Since Fox and Marvel have started making films, I have seen a contrast in their strategies and styles. Fox has made films that are loosely based on the comic books. They don’t try to capture the visuals, dynamic action, colorful costumes etc. that characterize comic books. Their approach is more subdued and conservative and more focused on making a film that works than bringing elements of the comic books to life.

Marvel has been more determined to bring bolder visuals, comic-accurate looks, far-out settings, high-flying action etc. to their films.

So I would expect the contrast between X-Men at Comcast and X-Men at Marvel to continue those general trends, and I’d expect films from Comcast to look more like what we’ve already seen from Fox and films from Marvel to more ambitiously capture visual elements of the comic books.

 

[MasterCat]

I don't agree that Fox doesn't try to capture the visuals, costumes, etc. Of comic books.
Yeah, the first X-Men film was all about black leather, but that's because it was 2000 and the only models for successful superhero films were the two Burton Batmans and the modestly profitable Blade series.
In First Class, the blue and yellow spandex from 1963 is produced. By Apocalypse, there's a big grey ancient Egyptian walking around in blue armor with Mohawk Storm and a Psylocke whose costume is so Claremont it had to be ordered from a sex shop.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I don't agree that Fox doesn't try to capture the visuals, costumes, etc. Of comic books.
Yeah, the first X-Men film was all about black leather, but that's because it was 2000 and the only models for successful superhero films were the two Burton Batmans and the modestly profitable Blade series.
In First Class, the blue and yellow spandex from 1963 is produced. By Apocalypse, there's a big grey ancient Egyptian walking around in blue armor with Mohawk Storm and a Psylocke whose costume is so Claremont it had to be ordered from a sex shop.

While Marvel does a far better job on costumes, it’s not just about costumes. When I see Thor swinging his hammer and taking off, I think “that’s right out of the comics”. When I see Captain America throwing his shield or Iron Man using his hands and feet to propel himself or Dr. Strange hovering or Hulk leaping or Spider-man swinging from his webs, I think “that’s right out of the comics”.

Fox has given me very few of those visuals. That’s why, if Marvel starts making them, I think we’ll see things, like Ice-Man sliding throu NYC, that are much more ambitious and more like the visuals of the comics than we have seen.

 

[MasterCat]

That's about budget, though. Kevin Feige has repeated an anecdote about working on the first X-Men film and showing the producers a comic panel of Magneto disarming police by disassembling handguns into parts. "Yeah, we can't afford that", they said.
Erik lifting a submarine after spending the whole time he's known Xavier trying to control his powers and then controlling ballistic missiles and deflecting bullets (one of which ricocheted into Charles) was amazing. All the better because it was in the service of a tragic story, not just a random visual.

 

[BaronZemo]

RDJ actually made Iron Man better than he was in the comics. He has made him much more fun and charismatic and that has resulted in Iron Man becoming an A-lister in the genre in general. He was never an A-lister in his own universe let alone generally.

Anyway MCU's main strength is the characters. Fox's main flaw is the characters. I don't think anything more needs to be said. It's a general consensus at this point.

 

[MasterCat]

RDJ actually made Iron Man better than he was in the comics. He has made him much more fun and charismatic and that has resulted in Iron Man becoming an A-lister in the genre in general. He was never an A-lister in his own universe let alone generally.

It's the Ian Fleming/Sean Connery situation.

 

[Dark Raven]

While Marvel does a far better job on costumes, it’s not just about costumes. When I see Thor swinging his hammer and taking off, I think “that’s right out of the comics”. When I see Captain America throwing his shield or Iron Man using his hands and feet to propel himself or Dr. Strange hovering or Hulk leaping or Spider-man swinging from his webs, I think “that’s right out of the comics”.

Fox has given me very few of those visuals. That’s why, if Marvel starts making them, I think we’ll see things, like Ice-Man sliding throu NYC, that are much more ambitious and more like the visuals of the comics than we have seen.

Killer Frost did exactly that on the Flash. It was more exciting and imaginative than any of the ice powers that Ice Man has used in the X-Men films:

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And this was on a CW budget.

 

[GuestStar2004]

If Disney/Marvel gets the rights: With the exception of the Merc-With-the-Mouth the Marvel rights that Fox owns(or would formally own at that point) would get a hard reboot and Iger confirmed that those rights would be placed under the control of Marvel Studios in a Q&A shortly after the merger was announced. Iger also confirmed that Deadpool would keep his R-rating and would not be toned down to PG-13 like many fans had feared.

Oh Iger can say that, but there will be like several catches to them using Deadpool. none would be made public but there wouldn't be half the freedom FOX gives them.

Also a case of whether they do keep Ryan onboard, which will come down to whether they choose too or whether Ryan is willing too return since he clearly likes his freedom and the new change of leadership may conflict possibly.

There is also the case of the other Characters and X-Men ties in the universe that will either be forgotten about, included into their own universe or just allow deadpool to be its own universe.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The problem with Fox/Comcast is they think they’ve already nailed it, so they’ll use the previous films for models. Marvel will use the comic books.

Spider-man Homecoming isn't all that much like the comics. its more as you say the model of the previous MCU movies.

 

[BaronZemo]

Oh Iger can say that, but there will be like several catches to them using Deadpool. none would be made public but there wouldn't be half the freedom FOX gives them.

Also a case of whether they do keep Ryan onboard, which will come down to whether they choose too or whether Ryan is willing too return since he clearly likes his freedom and the new change of leadership may conflict possibly.

There is also the case of the other Characters and X-Men ties in the universe that will either be forgotten about, included into their own universe or just allow deadpool to be its own universe.

Maybe Reynolds shouldn't have so much freedom considering how disappointing DP 2 was and how little effort was actually put in the story or characters. Since when did Reynolds is the sacred cow and we should give him unlimited freedom? He is the actor, not director.

I will take an awesome, true to the spirit, focused on team X-men movie than an R-rated DP movie and i think most fans would agree.

 

[BaronZemo]

Spider-man Homecoming isn't all that much like the comics. its more as you say the model of the previous MCU movies.

And yet most people agree Holland is the best Spidey so far so you just proved his point. Are you seriously gonna debate that the MCU isn' truer to the essence of the books? Because you are gonna lose the argument.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Since when did Reynolds is the sacred cow and we should give him unlimited freedom? He is the actor, not director.

Because he would be the whole point of not rebooting the character wouldn't he? to keep Reynolds involved? or at least thats why people often assume Disney wouldn't touch rebooting Deadpool.

Another one is that its assumed the Deadpool movies Box office will have Disney kissing at Reynolds' feet.

 

[Art Freak]

Let’s move on, fellas. Every time there’s some new people in this thread, we have to drive around this block a couple of times.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

That's about budget, though. Kevin Feige has repeated an anecdote about working on the first X-Men film and showing the producers a comic panel of Magneto disarming police by disassembling handguns into parts. "Yeah, we can't afford that", they said.
Erik lifting a submarine after spending the whole time he's known Xavier trying to control his powers and then controlling ballistic missiles and deflecting bullets (one of which ricocheted into Charles) was amazing. All the better because it was in the service of a tragic story, not just a random visual.

But isn't budget a factor? Marvel will, as we've seen, spend the money to put those scenes on film. Fox doesn't. Unless Comcast says: "We're going to spend more than Fox was willing to spend to bring visuals of the comics to screen." that will be a contrast between them and Marvel.

And maybe Comcast would spend more. If so, I'd give them a chance, but I expect them to continue the Fox model rather than the Fox model.

This conversation started with a question regarding what differences we would expect to see and that's a key difference I expect to see.

 

[MasterCat]

Well budget for X-Men powers turned out to be a moot point because traveling on your own ice bridges seems to be doable on a CW budget!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

That's about budget, though. Kevin Feige has repeated an anecdote about working on the first X-Men film and showing the producers a comic panel of Magneto disarming police by disassembling handguns into parts. "Yeah, we can't afford that", they said.
Erik lifting a submarine after spending the whole time he's known Xavier trying to control his powers and then controlling ballistic missiles and deflecting bullets (one of which ricocheted into Charles) was amazing. All the better because it was in the service of a tragic story, not just a random visual.

But isn't budget a factor? Marvel will, as we've seen, spend the money to put those scenes on film. Fox doesn't. Unless Comcast says: "We're going to spend more than Fox was willing to spend to bring visuals of the comics to screen." that will be a contrast between them and Marvel.

And maybe Comcast would spend more. If so, I'd give them a chance, but I expect them to continue the Fox model rather than the Fox model.

This conversation started with a question regarding what differences we would expect to see and that's a key difference I expect to see.

 

[Big Bang]

Hugh Jackman did fine with what he had to work with, but he was like someone's slightly crabby uncle. He never felt like the Wolverine I knew from the comics. I think when Marvel does it, we'll say: "Yeah, that's Wolverine."

Way back in 2000 when I saw the first X-Men movie in theaters, I had the same impression. Jackman did ok, but didn't really capture the entire essence of the character. IMO, anyways.

 

[TheVileOne]

I loved Jackman's take for years, but to say no one can ever match or surpass it is a fallacy.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Just give Tom Hardy a set of adamantium claws and he'll do Logan justice.