The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 21

[Endeavor]

The same man who wrote boring ass Apocalypse, bleak ass F4 and possible wack ass Dark Phoenix wrote Mr & Mrs Smith? That fun, action packed movie?

He must've had a ghostwriter.

Don't forget the masterpiece that was The Last Stand.

And yes, he did, that was the movie that launched his Hollywood career.. and it's not as good as you remember. Re-watch it if you dare. Bland, paper-thin characters with barely any motivation who did things just because. If you want to give him credit for the action, go ahead, but he wasn't the director, FX guy or stunt coordinator... so, there's that.

 

[WeaponXCII]

"And you can't make a good movie every time out -- not everybody does.''

The irony of that statement definitely isn't lost on me.

 

[Detective Conan]

Replacing Kinberg and Laura Shula Donner with Feige will breathe new life into the franchise

Exciting times.

And it'd be kind of funny since Feige worked with Donner on the first three X-movies before he went on to join Marvel Studios. So in a way its all coming full circle.

But at that time, he had very little say or influence on those films(certainly not to the level he has on the Marvel Studios movies where he's pretty much the captain steering the ship) as he was an executive producer who most would probably just ignored his advice. If Disney gets X-Men then Fiege will finally realize his vision of the X-Men that he never could've had done when Singer was still doing it.

 

[HBarnill]

That’s actually in the vein of what I’m thinking of. I’ve always said before the FF needs to appear in a big MCU crossover film or a big event film before they land their own solo film so in a way it’s kind of like what Marvel did with Spider-Man actually — they didn’t immediately do a Spidey solo film but first put him in Civil War and got people hyped about Spidey in a way they haven’t been for a long time.

This approach can work with FF. Granted, my example is a bit imperfect since in that case Spidey’s rights were/are still with Sony and they had to put out a movie within a certain timeframe, while in the case of the FF(if the deal goes through with Disney) then they would have full access to the property, and take as long as they want to get another FF film off the ground but this approach for the FF is more needed than even with Spider-Man given that all the FF films released so far have left a very bad taste in people’s mouth’s.

But it takes away the choice for the directors of their solo films on who they want for the part. Watts and Coogler had no control over who should be Spidey or T’Challa, and you know Coogler would’ve chosen Jordan for the role.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Just the idea that he thought he could continue with what Fant4stic started shows how he doesn't get it.

Fant4stic was absolutely terrible in every way from top to bottom. It's not just a matter of fixing a few things and continuing. Reed was a d*ck who left his best friend when he needed him most, Ben was a humorless loser who offered absolutely nothing, Johnny suggested they call themselves "Two Guys, a Girl, and the Thing that Nobody Wanted" which isn't only not clever or funny, but downright cruel to Ben at that moment, Sue was a cold, distant b****.

Did he really think he could pick up with those characters, make a few adjustments and conintue?!?

The only thing they established in the first film was a group of very unlikable people. That's not a sound foundation for a franchise.

 

[Dark Raven]

You are correct he did admit the movie was not good.

“We didn't make a good movie, and the world voted, and I think they probably voted correctly. And you can't make a good movie every time out -- not everybody does. We actually have a pretty good batting average, all things considered. But I think we made many mistakes when we made that movie -- mistakes that we learned from and we wouldn't repeat.''

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/simon-kinberg-flaws-failures-and-future-foxs-fantastic-four

Except maybe repeat with Dark Phoenix and his potential Fant4stic sequel.

 

[Detective Conan]

But it takes away the choice for the directors of their solo films on who they want for the part. Watts and Coogler had no control over who should be Spidey or T’Challa, and you know Coogler would’ve chosen Jordan for the role.

And how's that a bad thing necessarily? The movies worked fine regardless on whether the directors choose the actors for the lead role or not. Neither Coogler nor Watts walked away from the projects just because they had no involvement with casting Holland or Boseman.

 

[MasterCat]

Taking the ability to cast the hero away from Coogler was definitely a bad call. We could have had a charismatic Michael B. Jordan for five appearances, and he'd be worth giving more to in the inevitable renegoiation.

 

[Smurphftw]

Just the idea that he thought he could continue with what Fant4stic started shows how he doesn't get it.

Fant4stic was absolutely terrible in every way from top to bottom. It's not just a matter of fixing a few things and continuing. Reed was a d*ck who left his best friend when he needed him most, Ben was a humorless loser who offered absolutely nothing, Johnny suggested they call themselves "Two Guys, a Girl, and the Thing that Nobody Wanted" which isn't only not clever or funny, but downright cruel to Ben at that moment, Sue was a cold, distant b****.

Did he really think he could pick up with those characters, make a few adjustments and conintue?!?

The only thing they established in the first film was a group of very unlikable people. That's not a sound foundation for a franchise.

This is what infuriated me the most about him. The fact that he could say things like that with a straight face. As if ANYONE would be interested in a direct sequel to that travesty ....

Not only does it defy all logic and common sense, it's just profoundly intelligence insulting.

Ok ...... time to get back to my happy place.

Hummingbirds, butterflies, FF in the MCU .... aaaah much better.

 

[Zarex]

Taking the ability to cast the hero away from Coogler was definitely a bad call. We could have had a charismatic Michael B. Jordan for five appearances, and he'd be worth giving more to in the inevitable renegoiation.

I loved MBJ's Killmonger. But Boseman is perfectly cast as T'Challa. He has the right look, size, intensity, temperament, presence, etc. I welcome more "bad calls" like this from Feige and his team in the future.

 

[Smurphftw]

And how's that a bad thing necessarily? The movies worked fine regardless on whether the directors choose the actors for the lead role or not. Neither Coogler nor Watts walked away from the projects just because they had no involvement with casting Holland or Boseman.

In my opinion Holland and Boseman are perfect in their roles. So i think it worked out pretty well.

 

[MasterCat]

Boseman is acceptable for the salary he's working for, but Jordan would make a better T'Challa.
I consider the biggest misfire to be what they're paying ScarJo when someone like Hayley Atwell can convey anything she can better and works for a TV salary.

 

[HBarnill]

Scarlett is doing a great job as Widow. What are you talking about?

 

[Detective Conan]

I've always preferred Emily Blunt for Black Widow. Scarlet doesn't work for me in the role.

 

[Dark Raven]

Just the idea that he thought he could continue with what Fant4stic started shows how he doesn't get it.

Fant4stic was absolutely terrible in every way from top to bottom. It's not just a matter of fixing a few things and continuing. Reed was a d*ck who left his best friend when he needed him most, Ben was a humorless loser who offered absolutely nothing, Johnny suggested they call themselves "Two Guys, a Girl, and the Thing that Nobody Wanted" which isn't only not clever or funny, but downright cruel to Ben at that moment, Sue was a cold, distant b****.

Did he really think he could pick up with those characters, make a few adjustments and conintue?!?

The only thing they established in the first film was a group of very unlikable people. That's not a sound foundation for a franchise.

Reed was the d*ck that Ben never had.

 

[MasterCat]

Scarlett is doing a great job as Widow. What are you talking about?

I'm talking about her narrow range and the way she mumbles. Do you think Hayley Atwell can't play a haunted spy at least as well for pennies on ScarJo' s dollar?

 

[Marvel united]

I agree that Scarlett is miscast as Natasha. Would have preferred Blunt

 

[MasterCat]

I've always preferred Emily Blunt for Black Widow. Scarlet doesn't work for me in the role.

Emily Blunt would have been so cool!

 

[HBarnill]

Blunt would’ve done the exact same thing Scarlett did. Probably because that’s how she was written/directed as. This is insane some don’t consider that you can’t exactly be “emotional” when you’re a stoic assassin.

BTW, people were opposed to Blunt’s casting to begin with.

 

[Dark Raven]

Emily Blunt would have been so cool!

I always wanted Blunt in the role instead of ScarJo. She would've been perfect. Better than any other Marvel character she's been suggested for (Captain Marvel, Sue Storm etc). A missed opportunity for sure.

 

[MasterCat]

Blunt would’ve done the exact same thing Scarlett did. Probably because that’s how she was written/directed as. This is insane some don’t consider that you can’t exactly be “emotional” when you’re a stoic assassin.

Hayley Atwell could do unemotional badass at least as well, I reckon.

 

[HBarnill]

Hayley Atwell could do unemotional badass at least as well, I reckon.

There’s a big difference between Carter and Natasha.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

These films are bigger than one director, and casting should be bigger than one director.

How many different people have directed Chris Evans as Cap, Chris Hemsworth as Thor, RDJ as Tony Stark etc?

Directors come and go, but the characters are around for a long time. What if the FF director is only around for one film? Why does he or she get to decide who plays these characters for the next 15 years? What if that director wants Miles Teller to play Reed?

If the director has already been selected, by all means, let them have their say, but don’t hold back on introducing characters if the director isn’t known yet.

Anybody interested in directing an MCU film better be ready and able to direct characters they didn’t cast, because they’ll be expected to do that.

 

[Zarex]

With the news that Disney appears to be bowing out of the bidding for Sky, that's three big pieces, alongside the RSNs and Endemol Shine, that the Mouse is going to be dumping soon after the deal closes. Blue Sky studios is likely gone as well. I was concerned that the Mouse may be stuck with a worrisome debt burden after that transaction, but Iger may be able to knock the debt piece of the deal down to nothing not long after closing.

 

[MasterCat]

With the news that Disney appears to be bowing out of the bidding for Sky, that's three big pieces, alongside the RSNs and Endemol Shine, that the Mouse is going to be dumping soon after the deal closes. Blue Sky studios is likely gone as well. I was concerned that the Mouse may be stuck with a worrisome debt burden after that transaction, but Iger may be able to knock the debt piece of the deal down to nothing not long after closing.

Good for him. I had qualms with the West's biggest entertainment library owning Sky anyway; satellite TV would either wither away in favor of streaming, or they'd leverage it into something deserving trust-busting. If the smart fiduciary decision for Iger aligns with what looks right, it's all good.