The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 21

[Kahran Ramsus]

Doesn't matter, he's still very much an inhabitant of the Fox-verse. He can't just jump into the MCU without logical explanation. Where did he came from? Who created him? Why has no one ever mentioned him before?

Deadpool is a 4th wall breaker, not a reality-jumper.

Sure he is. He's already gone back into X-Men Origins: Wolverine to kill Barakapool and gone into the real world to kill Ryan Reynolds before he made Green Lantern.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Well, and Hulk solo and Namor rights, and Marvel theme park rights. Hopefully everything from Universal will come home to Marvel very soon too.

I think Iger's reaction to the news that Comcast was dropping out indicates he didn't think they were done and his pushing so hard on Sky may have been a strategy to keep Comcast off balance and away from Fox.

I wouldn't be surprised if Disney stops bidding up Sky, let's Comcast have it, and then sells them their Fox share (with Hulk and Namor as part of the deal).

 

[Big Bang]

“I’d like to congratulate Bob Iger and the team at Disney and commend the Murdoch family and Fox for creating such a desirable and respected company,” Comcast CEO Brian Roberts said in a statement.

Perhaps one of the most, if not the most, succulent servings of crow I've ever seen.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Perhaps one of the most, if not the most, succulent servings of crow I've ever seen.

Translation: "Please stop bidding on Sky and please consider selling me your share."

 

[ImSGirl95]

Sure he is. He's already gone back into X-Men Origins: Wolverine to kill Barakapool and gone into the real world to kill Ryan Reynolds before he made Green Lantern.

Indeed.

 

[wobbly]

Doesn't matter, he's still very much an inhabitant of the Fox-verse. He can't just jump into the MCU without logical explanation. Where did he came from? Who created him? Why has no one ever mentioned him before?

Deadpool is a 4th wall breaker, not a reality-jumper.

Deadpool and logical explanations?
Seriously?

Ok. How did Collossus get a change in appearance and a Russian accent? How does Deadpool know about the actors who have played Logan and Xavier? How'd Juggernaut lose his rubber muscle suit and get a Hulk sized makeover? How were the 90's X-Men hanging around un-aged in the present day mansion? How could Deadpool have a toy of his previous movie version? And that ain't including the reality bending time travel shenanigans in the second ones post credit scenes.

Seriously, Deadpools film's exist in thier own self aware bubble, poking fun at the Fox-Verse and other CBM tropes far more than being concerned about thier connection to it.

I don't see any reason why they'd have to go into great detail to explain his move to the MCU. Have Reynolds crack a joke about it and move on.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

So question:

Could Disney still use Namor as a supporting character in a Fantastic Four movie like they do the Hulk, or would they need permission from Universal?

 

[Marvel united]

Sure he is. He's already gone back into X-Men Origins: Wolverine to kill Barakapool and gone into the real world to kill Ryan Reynolds before he made Green Lantern.

this

 

[Abudefduf]

Why was Spider-Man never mentioned before? Where was Pym etc. Deadpool is small scale enough for these questions to not really matter.

So an older X-Men team would break continuity (this is what you've often argued in other threads, and I agree), but Deadpool, the mutant who lives in a world full of mutants and who has a lot of mutant friends, showing in up in a different universe without any explanation wouldn't be a problem. I see.

Absolutely no explanation is necessary. Mr. Wilson exists in a reality outside of the Singer-verse, so sliding him over to the MCU is easy. An Avengers 4 post credit scene with Deadpool applying for membership would lead to exactly zero fans asking the questions you posed.

Fans also wanted Jackman's Logan to appear in the MCU. What's your point

And again, Deadpool does not have the ability to jump between realities, and I'm sorry but if you guys are expecting Feige (the man refuse to even aknowledge the existence of Daredevil & Co.) to retcon the Reynolds movies to be part of his precious cinematic universe then you're in for a rude awakening.

 

[Big Bang]

I think Iger's reaction to the news that Comcast was dropping out indicates he didn't think they were done and his pushing so hard on Sky may have been a strategy to keep Comcast off balance and away from Fox.

I wouldn't be surprised if Disney stops bidding up Sky, let's Comcast have it, and then sells them their Fox share (with Hulk and Namor as part of the deal).

Agreed. I think he suddenly realized the potential for another deal with Fox's Sky, and not only doing an asset swap, but also make a few billion $$. Money that could go towards paying down debt from the Fox acquisition.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

So question:

Could Disney still use Namor as a supporting character in a Fantastic Four movie like they do the Hulk, or would they need permission from Universal?

There was a comment from (Feige?) at one point that seemed to indicate Namor was more complicated than Hulk.

 

[Marvel united]

Deadpool and logical explanations?
Seriously?

Ok. How did Collossus get a change in appearance and a Russian accent? How does Deadpool know about the actors who have played Logan and Xavier? How'd Juggernaut lose his rubber muscle suit and get a Hulk sized makeover? How were the 90's X-Men hanging around un-aged in the present day mansion? How could Deadpool have a toy of his previous movie version? And that ain't including the reality bending time travel shenanigans in the second ones post credit scenes.

Seriously, Deadpools film's exist in thier own self aware bubble, poking fun at the Fox-Verse and other CBM tropes far more than being concerned about thier connection to it.

I don't see any reason why they'd have to go into great detail to explain his move to the MCU. Have Reynolds crack a joke about it and move on.

Thank you

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Feige's comments on Namor:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/04...ss-addresses-namors-complicated-rights-status

 

[The Infernal]

Shut up and take my money!!!

What he said.

Well I don't want Doom to only be mostly in FF like Loki was mostly in Thor, except for Avengers.

I want him quite independently of others having been told about him to become their villain. So he could tangle with Iron Man, and then separately with Black Panther, Cap, Fantastic Four etc before they have even had the chance to compare notes and realise they've been fighting the same villain.

Let there be multiple different reasons for him to come into conflict with them individually. For example, in Iron Man #149-150, he needed to acquire some Stark technology to boost his time machine, so he got into it with Iron Man. He could also need some vibranium or other Wakandan technology and thereby tussle with the Panther. None of these need to even be related to each other (eg like Thanos collecting a common Macguffin - the infinity stones).

Loki was becoming more and more of an anti-hero by the end. I don't want that to happen to Doom.

This gives me an idea. What if Doom had a three film arc, but as the villain in three seperate franchises? Start him off as the starring villain in a FF film then a supporting villain in Black Panther and the third as an Avengers villain. Maybe even have step one be a Doom solo instead.

Doesn't matter, he's still very much an inhabitant of the Fox-verse. He can't just jump into the MCU without logical explanation. Where did he came from? Who created him? Why has no one ever mentioned him before?

Deadpool is a 4th wall breaker, not a reality-jumper.

You're absolutely right. They should have a solid logical explanation of where he fits in the MCU just like they did with what version of the Foxverse he... oh, wait...

 

[ironwez20]

I respect your efforts Comcast. When Disney is done half of the characters will be home. I hope they remember you

 

[Big Bang]

Doesn't matter, he's still very much an inhabitant of the Fox-verse.

The Fox-verse is dead. Arguing anything is irrelevant at this point.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Feige's comments on Namor:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/04...ss-addresses-namors-complicated-rights-status

 

[Abudefduf]

Deadpool and logical explanations?
Seriously?

Ok. How did Collossus get a change in appearance and a Russian accent? How does Deadpool know about the actors who have played Logan and Xavier? How'd Juggernaut lose his rubber muscle suit and get a Hulk sized makeover? How were the 90's X-Men hanging around un-aged in the present day mansion? How could Deadpool have a toy of his previous movie version? And that ain't including the reality bending time travel shenanigans in the second ones post credit scenes.

Seriously, Deadpools film's exist in thier own self aware bubble, poking fun at the Fox-Verse and other CBM tropes far more than being concerned about thier connection to it.

I don't see any reason why they'd have to go into great detail to explain his move to the MCU. Have Reynolds crack a joke about it and move on.

I'm not sure how the Fox-verse having a terrible continuity means that it would suddenly make sense for Deadpool to show up in the MCU?

Sure he is. He's already gone back into X-Men Origins: Wolverine to kill Barakapool and gone into the real world to kill Ryan Reynolds before he made Green Lantern.

Here's a simpler explanation: Ryan Reynolds exists in the Fox-verse and he made Green Lantern, just like Star Wars and its actors exist in the MCU. There you go, no reality-jumping involved.

 

[Dark Raven]

Feige's comments on Namor:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/04...ss-addresses-namors-complicated-rights-status

It's only complicated at the moment if there's no deal with Comcast. If they add it into the negotiations for Sky, I don't see why the path can't be cleared for Namor to come home as well.

I want a Fantastic Four film with Namor as the "villain".

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Hell FOX still has me confused if Colossus has a flesh form or is he just born in steel form?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It's only complicated at the moment if there's no deal with Comcast. If they add it into the negotiations for Sky, I don't see why the path can't be cleared for Namor to come home as well.

I want a Fantastic Four film with Namor as the "villain".

Yeah, also reading between the lines of Feige's comments, it sounds like they could figure something out if they really want to, but since Namor isn't as important as Hulk, it likely isn't as big a priority.

But when the FF are back, it could increase interest in Namor.

They should be able to work something out. Comcast isn't getting anything from them, so if they can get anything from Marvel, it should be worth dealing.

 

[MasterCat]

Though it is true, we don't know the story yet. But, I feel like this is something you make room for. Galactus can be the next Thanos for the MCU. I think sowing those seeds now would be wise.

I think jamming in more characters has a strong track record of ruining CBMs, and saying "No, Marvel is perfect! Look at Civil War!" doesn't change that.
(For one thing, the source material had many dozens of characters with significant roles, Spider-Man was like the third most important, and the Wakandan wasn't any good.)

 

[Big Bang]

Yeah, also reading between the lines of Feige's comments, it sounds like they could figure something out if they really want to, but since Namor isn't as important as Hulk, it likely isn't as big a priority.

But when the FF are back, it could increase interest in Namor.

They should be able to work something out. Comcast isn't getting anything from them, so if they can get anything from Marvel, it should be worth dealing.

Many are already starting to see the stars align for such a deal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/19/business/media/comcast-21st-century-fox-disney.html

 

[The Infernal]

Hell FOX still has me confused if Colossus has a flesh form or is he just born in steel form?

Cudmore was asked to reprise Colossus, but I think they were planning on dubbing him so he passed. I think he would have been the non-steel form of Colossus.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

But look how greedy we're getting. We just found out that FF and all their associated characters AND X-Men and all their associated characters are coming home (a prospect that would have sounded crazy just a year ago) and we're like: "Yeah, but, damn it, we need Namor too!"