The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 22

[Willie Lumpkin]

Only 3 months ago he slammed the MCU for being "too samey"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ex...rvel-movies-Dark-Phoenix-Ready-Player-One/amp

Which is ironic because DP being a melodramatic, grounded drama is the same thing we've been getting from Fox since 2000. They're constantly telling the same story with Magneto. Sheridan is seriously projecting here

Yeah, the irony of complaining about 'sameness' … while starring in another Dark Phoenix film.

 

[Dark Raven]

Only 3 months ago he slammed the MCU for being "too samey"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ex...rvel-movies-Dark-Phoenix-Ready-Player-One/amp

Which is ironic because DP being a melodramatic, grounded drama is the same thing we've been getting from Fox since 2000. They're constantly telling the same story with Magneto. Sheridan is seriously projecting here

He said:

"Everyone was on the same page with the idea that we were approaching it as much more of a grounded drama versus a superhero movie.

So they're taking the same approach they took with Fant4stic and making it a grounded drama rather than a superhero movie. Well good luck with that.

 

[Drexelhand]

In other words, right exactly where he least fits.

Adapt the arc where Magneto tries to get him to join the Brotherhood of Mutants. He has a long history with the X-Men, just as he does with the Fantastic Four and the Avengers.

The MCU has been criticized by some as all following the same formula, so what makes the most sense here? Him attacking his own movies or using a common gripe a minority of fans have about Marvel's movies? Again, it's more than obvious which one he is talking about

Hence why it would be reasonable for him to criticize Apocalypse for trying to be too much like the MCU at the time. He mentioned Marvel universes, its clear he wasn't just criticizing the MCU if he was criticizing it.

 

[Marvel united]

Adapt the arc where Magneto tries to get him to join the Brotherhood of Mutants. He has a long history with the X-Men, just as he does with the Fantastic Four and the Avengers.



Hence why it would be reasonable for him to criticize Apocalypse for trying to be too much like the MCU at the time. He mentioned Marvel universes, its clear he wasn't just criticizing the MCU if he was criticizing it.

Which would STILL technically mean he is critizing the MCU. Because he doesn't think the X-Men should follow the 'tired formula' of the MCU. He mentioned multiple Marvel films so he's talking about more than Apocalypse if even that

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Then I guess I'm a brain dead ghost.

Cmon, you know what Disney is gonna do

It’s clear as day

 

[Marvel united]

He said:



So they're taking the same approach they took with Fant4stic and making it a grounded drama rather than a superhero movie. Well good luck with that.

Just like the approach they took with the first 3 films, Days of Future Past, Logan (which was an amazing film admittedly) etc. The irony is too strong here

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Lol

What other marvel universe could Tye Sheridan possibly be taking about

Sony’s spider(without spider-man)verse?

 

[Dark Raven]

WHAT DOES THE DISNEY/FOX MERGER MEAN FOR THE FOX MARVEL UNIVERSE?

It says:

With the merger expected to go into effect by late 2019, what will happen to the Fox Marvel properties already in production or development?

Why would it be late 2019 that the "merger" goes into effect? Why so late? What's supposed to happen between the shareholder meeting on Friday and over a year later at the end of 2019?

Also, what are the chances that Fox will still be dumb enough to announce some movies tomorrow or Friday like Dr Doom, Gambit etc?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

He said:



So they're taking the same approach they took with Fant4stic and making it a grounded drama rather than a superhero movie. Well good luck with that.

There are times I seriously wonder how Kinberg manages to dress himself in the morning. It's like: "Well Fant4stic was a flop... but people just didn't get it. Let me do it again. It will work this time."

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It says:



Why would it be late 2019 that the "merger" goes into effect? Why so late? What's supposed to happen between the shareholder meeting on Friday and over a year later at the end of 2019?

Also, what are the chances that Fox will still be dumb enough to announce some movies tomorrow or Friday like Dr Doom, Gambit etc?

The people writing these things aren't really paying attention. The whole article is nonsense because he's still going with the original timeline that was assumed before the DOJ approval.

 

[Detective Conan]

It says:



Why would it be late 2019 that the "merger" goes into effect? Why so late? What's supposed to happen between the shareholder meeting on Friday and over a year later at the end of 2019?

Also, what are the chances that Fox will still be dumb enough to announce some movies tomorrow or Friday like Dr Doom, Gambit etc?

Yeah either he mistyped or he’s flat-out wrong. Since the DOJ approved of the deal much quicker than anybody anticipated analysts expect it to now close before the end of the year(perhaps by December) though I do recall that I read from someone here at least by November.

 

[Dark Raven]

The people writing these things aren't really paying attention. The whole article is nonsense because he's still going with the original timeline that was assumed before the DOJ approval.

Well then even the site that allows it to be published are idiots for not checking, because it's like an article that was written months ago and published today.

Maybe that site will let me publish an article about Dougray Scott getting the part of Wolverine in Bryan Singer's new X-Men movie.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah either he mistyped or he’s flat-out wrong. Since the DOJ approved of the deal much quicker than anybody anticipated analysts expect it to now close before the end of the year(perhaps by December) though I do recall that I read from someone here at least by November.

I've seen this more than once. I think people are just using articles from four months ago when the deal was expected to close next year as their references. And since the author isn't really on top of things, he assumes that's still the case.

Just because someone posts an article online doesn't mean they have their facts straight.

 

[Dark Raven]

I've seen this more than once. I think people are just using articles from four months ago when the deal was expected to close next year as their references. And since the author isn't really on top of things, he assumes that's still the case.

Just because someone posts an article online doesn't mean they have their facts straight.

My facts will be straight when I reveal the latest scoop about Nicholas Hammond as the new Spider-Man in the upcoming 1977 film out next year.

 

[MasterCat]

Yeah either he mistyped or he’s flat-out wrong. Since the DOJ approved of the deal much quicker than anybody anticipated analysts expect it to now close before the end of the year(perhaps by December) though I do recall that I read from someone here at least by November.

I remember reading second-hand that there's a 90-day window to either A) legally establish New Fox as a corporation or B) sell off the RSNs without trying the DOJ's patience. That puts it at mid-late October for 21st Century Fox to become a legal subsidiary Disney can do stuff with without appearance of illegal collusion.

 

[Dark Raven]

I remember reading second-hand that there's a 90-day window to either A) legally establish New Fox as a corporation or B) sell off the RSNs without trying the DOJ's patience. That puts it at mid-late October for 21st Century Fox to become a legal subsidiary Disney can do stuff with without appearance of illegal collusion.

If it's a window, then does it have to be the full 90 days?

A window surely implies it can be any time within that period, so couldn't it be potentially after even 30 days, or even 10 days?

After all, it's not a 90 days later requirement is it? Otherwise why so long after? That's 3 months later.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Everybody involved will want to do the closing quickly. Once the vote is done shareholders employees, legal jurisdictions etc. will want it to be complete without a long period of limbo.

I believe, and I could be wrong on this detail, that the sports networks need to be sold within 90 days after the closing.

If they're not sold in that time Disney can file for an extension.

Disney is likely talking to possible buyers now, but they can't do anything until after the closing - they can't sell something they don't own.

So the closing should happen before the sale of the sports networks.

 

[Detective Conan]

I've seen this more than once. I think people are just using articles from four months ago when the deal was expected to close next year as their references. And since the author isn't really on top of things, he assumes that's still the case.

Just because someone posts an article online doesn't mean they have their facts straight.

What’s odd is that he’s making the argument that the deal puts the fate of Dark Phoenix in question (which is being released early next year) when he’s saying factually incorrect things that the deal won’t close until “late 2019”.

lol.

 

[Marvel united]

Everybody involved will want to do the closing quickly. Once the vote is done shareholders employees, legal jurisdictions etc. will want it to be complete without a long period of limbo.

I believe, and I could be wrong on this detail, that the sports networks need to be sold within 90 days after the closing.

If they're not sold in that time Disney can file for an extension.

Disney is likely talking to possible buyers now, but they can't do anything until after the closing - they can't sell something they don't own.

So the closing should happen before the sale of the sports networks.

Correct:

Disney would have at least 90 days from the date of closing the transaction to complete the sale of the RSNs, which have 61 million subscribers. Together with ESPN, which it already owns, Disney would have had too tight a grip on the sports market, the Justice Department maintained.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...ortedly-near-approval-of-disney-fox-deal/amp/

 

[MasterCat]

What about New Fox? Won't it take close to 90 days to go through the legalese of separating the corporation, with its new name, from the assets it chose to divest?

 

[Zarex]

TCI, Fox's 2nd largest shareholder, has voted in favor of the deal.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...?utm_source=google&utm_medium=bd&cmpId=google

I have to admit, this nonsense with Gunn (and Feige's continued silence) has sucked out a lot of my enthusiasm for the merger.

 

[Dark Raven]

But Disney having at least 90 days or needing to sell off certain assets within 90 days doesn't mean they have to take the full 90 days.

Let's say I tell you that you have 90 days as your deadline in which to complete a sale starting from today. If you complete it tomorrow, then that is within the 90 days. It only took 1 day though.

Can't all of these Disney sales potentially be completed by next week if that were at all possible? Not that it is likely, but they don't have to take 3 months. Could we not potentially be looking at everything being complete within the next month though?

TCI, Fox's 2nd largest shareholder, has voted in favor of the deal.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...?utm_source=google&utm_medium=bd&cmpId=google

I have to admit, this nonsense with Gunn (and Feige's continued silence) has sucked out a lot of my enthusiasm for the merger.

Well that's you then. I've already forgotten about all of that and am looking forward to Friday and beyond.

 

[Detective Conan]

I have to admit, this nonsense with Gunn (and Feige's continued silence) has sucked out a lot of my enthusiasm for the merger.

Why? Gunn isn’t Feige. Not to derail the thread since there’s other threads to discuss that fiasco but I still think there’s exciting things abound for the Marvel Universe with this merger even without Gunn. While I’m much less excited about Guardians Vol. 3 I still think Marvel is in good hands enough with Feige and I can’t wait to see Feige’s take on the Fantastic Four(if he doesn’t leave over this, I hope).

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm hoping that Disney aren't waiting until after the shareholders' votes to start looking for buyers. They should've been doing that already.

Who are potential buyers? How easy will it be to sell off?

And if they can't sell these assets within 90 days, what does that mean for the rest of the assets they bought which they do want to keep (eg Fox Marvel)? Does it have any effect on them at all? Can they still proceed with them as if they're fully owned by Disney/Marvel now?

 

[Marvel united]

There's no way Feige will leave over Gunn getting fired. Especially not now, when he's about to get the keys to the full Marvel toybox