The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 23

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think it would lose some impact of it was some made up genocide.

But there is no perfect solution. Either you update it, or you have some immortality/time travel/deaging gimmick. Which you would also have to do with Xavier, so they can have their lifelong friendship.

 

[TheVileOne]

Vietnam was a major part of Frank Castle/Punisher's origin, but obviously, they couldn't have him be a Vietnam vet and have Jon Bernthal playing the character in present day.

In comics, you can get around that because Frank has been killed and brought back to life on multiple occasions.

Sometimes you have to update characters' background and origins to better fit the present. Just the nature of adaptations

 

[fan4stic]

Xavier can still be friends with with Magneto, but be younger than him. Someone like Magneto plays to a specific event I think. Castle is a soldier. You can shift his story to any point because being a soldier isn't his origin. His family being killed is.

 

[Marvel united]

Xavier can still be friends with with Magneto, but be younger than him. Someone like Magneto plays to a specific event I think. Castle is a soldier. You can shift his story to any point because being a soldier isn't his origin. His family being killed is.

Same with Erik. His story is about being a victim of the cycle of hate, prejudice and violence in human beings as a child. The origin of Magneto is timeless in the sense that it encapsulates minorities being oppressed and killed simply because they are different. It has be recontextualized into a mass genocide that isn't 70 years into the past but the core story of Erik can remain the exact same.

 

[fan4stic]

Same with Erik. His story is about being a victim of the cycle of hate, prejudice and violence in human beings as a child. The origin of Magneto is timeless in the sense that it encapsulates minorities being oppressed and killed simply because they are different. It has be recontextualized into a mass genocide that isn't 70 years into the past but the core story of Erik can remain the exact same.

Magneto's origin is a specific situation. Like Captain America's.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

In a universe where Captain America exists and Hydra helped the Nazi regime, why couldn't Magneto's aging be slowed or frozen?

 

[Marvel united]

Magneto's origin is a specific situation. Like Captain America's.

So was Tony Stark's and Frank Castle's but both were updated to fit modern times. Magneto is much more comparable to those two than Cap because it's his origin . Cap's defined by being in the 40s because he had a comic run in the 40s that lasted for years, he had villains and supporting characters from the 40s. Separating the character from WW2 would be impossible. He was originally created as a progranda tool whereas Erik's origin wasn't revealed until years after his introduction.

 

[fan4stic]

Frozen would feel like, to me, that Magneto would be a man out of time, which is too much like cap to me. For being experimented on and those experiments made him age slower, I think that leaves the question of where he's been this whole time.

I think having him captured by shield and trapped in an energy field of his own electromagnetism which keeps him young works. I think this gives the X-Men characters in the MCU feel more lived in to me.

So was Tony Stark's and Frank Castle's but both were updated to fit modern times. Magneto is much more comparable to those two than Cap because it's his origin . Cap's defined by being in the 40s because he had a comic run in the 40s that lasted for years, he had villains and supporting characters from the 40s. Separating the character from WW2 would be impossible. He was originally created as a progranda tool whereas Erik's origin wasn't revealed until years after his introduction.

Castle's and Tony's aren't tied to a time period or situation. Magneto's is.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It’s a comic book, anything’s possible. Open with him as an old man and then have an event in which a mutant, or technology, or Galactus, or a temporal anomoly (etc. etc. etc.) makes him young.

 

[eddy]

Was it a genocide, though? It has to have the same or similar magnitude as the Holocaust. Doesn't have to be as known but it should still be a genocide/ethnic cleansing

How about a victim of South African apartheid? It is relatively recent, it is well-known by pretty much everyone (at least in the west), and unlike something like Palestine wouldn't be politically controversial.

Make him a tootsie(sp?) from the Rwandan genocide . Or he could be a Yazidi from ISIS wrecked Iraq.

 

[Iceman]

Just have age-bending as a mutant phenomenon in the MCU. A simple explanation like that is enough for audiences. All they really want are top films and lip service to things like this is sufficient.

 

[Marvel united]

Age bending all mutants makes characters like Wolverine and Mystique less unique. Only scenario I've seen that could work is having him be locked up in a Hydra/Shield prison trapped in a field of magnetism - in stasis, until he's woken up

 

[DawnWarrior]

The cartoon didn't even mention Mags being in WWII. Xavier just said, "we met after a war."

 

[Iceman]

Age bending all mutants makes characters like Wolverine and Mystique less unique. Only scenario I've seen that could work is having him be locked up in a Hydra/Shield prison trapped in a field of magnetism - in stasis, until he's woken up

Not all mutants. Just the few like Magneto that have a reason to be age-bent. Just have it as a thing that can happen with mutancy, and is known about by the authorities. It could also be something that hints to them that a certain character is a mutant. I'd kind of like them to have a sinister moment where they stumble across very old footage of Magneto (and Xavier, Wolverine, maybe Mystique), and put the pieces together that they were all around decades ago.

I think changing the particular war/conflict that helped form a character can make too much of a difference to that character's make up, particularly if those conflicts have very different individual aspects. Certainly Vietnam was a unique conflict and Auschwitz an important a part of Erik's background, and I think you lose something by changing them.

I know many fans have issues with overly simplistic explanations like I'm suggesting (and I can understand that even if they don't bother me), but I don't think the GA worry too much about this stuff. We'll see what happens. I guess Iron Man has already been modernised (which I didn't like at all) so maybe you guys are onto something.

 

[Iceman]

I think it would lose some impact of it was some made up genocide.

But there is no perfect solution. Either you update it, or you have some immortality/time travel/deaging gimmick. Which you would also have to do with Xavier, so they can have their lifelong friendship.

Yes, there is unfortunately no perfect solution and there are benefits and drawbacks of whatever they go with. I'm sure most of us will accept whatever they choose in the end.

 

[rockman1216]

Jesus Christ again with the Magneto age WWII thing there has already been a solution for this.
I'll break it down.

1. Magneto was experimented on with a version of the super soldier serum which is why he has ******ed aging.

2. This super soldier serum makes Magneto's offspring have recessive X-Genes

3. That's why Pietro and Wanda have no superpowers until the experiments.

 

[MasterCat]

Jesus Christ again with the Magneto age WWII thing there has already been a solution for this.
I'll break it down.

1. Magneto was experimented on with a version of the super soldier serum which is why he has ******ed aging.

Tony: The way he ages makes no sense. It's ******ed.
Steve: That's offensive!
Tony: ... how do you even keep up with what's offensive? You sold "Slap a Jap" war bonds.
Erik: He's right, though.
Tony: ... you two grandpas can discuss this over soup. *leaves*

 

[AlluAllu]

Slowed down aging is the simplest solution, but I don't like it. It feels too lazy and convenient.

 

[Dark Raven]

Magneto can control the iron in his body which helps to slow down the ageing.

Xavier controls people's minds to make everyone think he's younger than he is.

Both of them actually look like this

 

[fan4stic]

I prefer my idea.

 

[Dark Raven]

Still counting down to the shareholders' meeting:

 

[Iceman]

Slowed down aging is the simplest solution, but I don't like it. It feels too lazy and convenient.

Maybe it is lazy and convenient, won’t deny that, but it’s lazy and convenient in an area which doesn’t matter that much if the benefits outweigh the costs. Marvel can always make new heroes for more modern conflicts and tragedies and I’d prefer the ones like Vietnam and the World Wars to be retained if at all possible. And if not then I’ll accept what they choose like I had to with Iron Man, which is a great film regardless of going against my preference. In other words it’s not crucial either way, just a preference.

 

[Iceman]

Still counting down to the shareholders' meeting:

Haha.

Yesterday was a great day in MCU history. One of the most important for sure.

 

[Dark Raven]

What do people think will happen to the Inhumans in the MCU once the mutants start appearing?

Or are they even significant at all? They have only really appeared in Agents of SHIELD and the Inhumans TV series. Although supposedly all connected, are they really connected? Or is it just one-way traffic? Maybe the big screen MCU will just completely ignore the Inhumans, who were almost pitched as the new mutants (not New Mutants).

 

[Iceman]

What do people think will happen to the Inhumans in the MCU once the mutants start appearing?

Or are they even significant at all? They have only really appeared in Agents of SHIELD and the Inhumans TV series. Although supposedly all connected, are they really connected? Or is it just one-way traffic? Maybe the big screen MCU will just completely ignore the Inhumans, who were almost pitched as the new mutants (not New Mutants).

I think they’ll be forgotten about for a while and then reintroduced with style in about 10 years after the X-Men and F4 films start.