The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 23

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I’m talking about the deal still has to go through international red tape and they said the whole thing won’t be finalized until 2019. I wish Marvel Studios can start to use X-Men and FF right away instead of next year.

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Gotcha.

Well, those are just placeholder dates they have to say. Estimates.

They had done something similar when they had estimated how long it would take the DOJ to provide their approval, and look how much sooner that took place.
 
There’s still a chance the DoJ will change their minds.
 
Grace's discussion after today's sale...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq2vLueYGO0

I mistakenly entertained the idea of listening to this. Grace Randolph, as usual, is wrong.

Yes, Sony did buy the movie rights and 50% of the "character" itself as she says. Sony had 50% of ALL merchandising rights to Spider-man at one point. Cool, so far I can give her a pass. She then claims that will never go away. And she's wrong. Marvel sued Sony and got 25% of those rights back. Disney then bought out the remaining 25%. Sony only owns the movie rights to the characters (runtime over 48 minutes IIRC). There are two leaked documents online for ****'s sake.
 
I mistakenly entertained the idea of listening to this. Grace Randolph, as usual, is wrong.

Yes, Sony did buy the movie rights and 50% of the "character" itself as she says. Sony had 50% of ALL merchandising rights to Spider-man at one point. Cool, so far I can give her a pass. She then claims that will never go away. And she's wrong. Marvel sued Sony and got 25% of those rights back. Disney then bought out the remaining 25%. Sony only owns the movie rights to the characters (runtime over 48 minutes IIRC). There are two leaked documents online for ****'s sake.

Thanks for summarising. I was thinking of listening but can't stand her voice. Now I won't have to.
 
There’s still a chance the DoJ will change their minds.
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I mistakenly entertained the idea of listening to this. Grace Randolph, as usual, is wrong.

Yes, Sony did buy the movie rights and 50% of the "character" itself as she says. Sony had 50% of ALL merchandising rights to Spider-man at one point. Cool, so far I can give her a pass. She then claims that will never go away. And she's wrong. Marvel sued Sony and got 25% of those rights back. Disney then bought out the remaining 25%. Sony only owns the movie rights to the characters (runtime over 48 minutes IIRC). There are two leaked documents online for ****'s sake.
Reading back on that situation. It was really messed up how Sony was giving the impression of trying to absorb the character. It's quite fitting how the situation has turned around so completely with regard to Marvel and Sony.
 
China and the EU are probably the biggest potential regulatory road blocks. I see no reason for China not to give approval Fox represents a mere 2% box office share in China. The EU should follow the DOJ approval. They may request disney divert its share of Sky.
 
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Thanks for summarising. I was thinking of listening but can't stand her voice. Now I won't have to.

She also went over what Disney is getting and whatnot. And predicted Dark Phoenix and New Mutants will get cancelled. I hope she is right on that.

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Reading back on that situation. It was really messed up how Sony was giving the impression of trying to absorb the character. It's quite fitting how the situation has turned around so completely with regard to Marvel and Sony.

Sony execs are/were delusional. When PS3 came out they had the SM logo and tried their best to sell it that they had the rights to the character.....even though SM games were coming out on XBox and Nintendo during the same time.
 
Here's the full press release.

EW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Twenty-First Century Fox, Inc. (“21st Century Fox”—NASDAQ: FOXA, FOX) and The Walt Disney Company (“Disney”—NYSE: DIS) announced that, at separate special meetings today, stockholders of the two companies approved all proposals related to Disney’s acquisition of 21st Century Fox. The proposals included the adoption by 21st Century Fox stockholders of the merger agreement with Disney (the “Disney Merger Agreement”) and the distribution merger agreement for the spin-off of new “Fox.” Disney stockholders approved the issuance of new common stock that will be distributed to 21st Century Fox stockholders as part of the acquisition.

“Combining the 21CF businesses with Disney and establishing new ‘Fox’ will unlock significant value for our shareholders”

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“Combining the 21CF businesses with Disney and establishing new ‘Fox’ will unlock significant value for our shareholders,” said Rupert Murdoch, Executive Chairman, 21st Century Fox. “We are grateful to our shareholders for approving this transaction. I want to thank all of our executives and colleagues for their enormous contributions in building 21st Century Fox over the past decades. With their help, we expect the enlarged Disney and new ‘Fox’ companies will be pre-eminent in the entertainment and media industries.”

“We’re incredibly pleased that shareholders of both companies have granted approval for us to move forward, and are confident in our ability to create significant long-term value through this acquisition of Fox’s premier assets,” said Robert A. Iger, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, The Walt Disney Company. “We remain grateful to Rupert Murdoch and to the rest of the 21st Century Fox board for entrusting us with the future of these extraordinary businesses, and look forward to welcoming 21st Century Fox’s stellar talent to Disney and ultimately integrating our businesses to provide consumers around the world with more appealing content and entertainment options.”

Under the Disney Merger Agreement, 21st Century Fox stockholders may elect to receive $38 per share in either cash or shares of New Disney, a new holding company that will become the parent of both Disney and 21st Century Fox (the consideration may be subject to adjustment for certain tax liabilities). The overall mix of consideration paid to 21st Century Fox stockholders will be approximately 50% cash and 50% stock. The stock consideration is subject to a collar, which will ensure that 21st Century Fox stockholders will receive consideration equal to $38 in value if the average Disney stock price at closing is between $93.53 and $114.32. Disney expects to pay a total of about $35.7 billion in cash and issue approximately 343 million New Disney shares to 21st Century Fox stockholders. As a result, current 21st Century Fox stockholders will own a 17-20% stake in New Disney on a pro forma basis.

Last month, the U.S. Department of Justice entered into a consent decree with Disney and 21st Century Fox that allows the transaction to proceed, while requiring the sale of the Fox Sports Regional Networks. Completion of the transaction is subject to a number of non-U.S. merger and other regulatory reviews, and other customary closing conditions.

Final voting tallies from the 21st Century Fox and Disney special meetings are subject to certification by the companies’ respective inspectors of elections, and will be included in reports to be filed by 21st Century Fox and Disney with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...worry-beijing-could-be-tricky-fox-deal-hurdle

The deal, though already given a green light by the U.S. Department of Justice, still needs antitrust approval from 15 other regulators around the globe. That includes China’s State Administration for Market Regulation because a small proportion -- less than 2 percent -- of Fox’s revenue is generated in that country.


Some investors are concerned that China might use this deal to retaliate against as much as $500 billion in import tariffs threatened by President Donald Trump, who called Fox co-chairman Rupert Murdoch to congratulate him when the transaction was unveiled in December. White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said at the time that Trump thought the deal could be a “great thing for jobs.”

That’s one reason why Fox shares are trading as though there’s about a 20 percent chance the deal will fail, said people with knowledge of the matter who asked not to be identified because they weren’t authorized to speak to the media.

I need to read up on international regulatory approvals for 2 companies headquartered in the US because that is not making much sense to me.
 
I mistakenly entertained the idea of listening to this. Grace Randolph, as usual, is wrong.

Yes, Sony did buy the movie rights and 50% of the "character" itself as she says. Sony had 50% of ALL merchandising rights to Spider-man at one point. Cool, so far I can give her a pass. She then claims that will never go away. And she's wrong. Marvel sued Sony and got 25% of those rights back. Disney then bought out the remaining 25%. Sony only owns the movie rights to the characters (runtime over 48 minutes IIRC). There are two leaked documents online for ****'s sake.
It's not even a leak. It was national news in 2011. It wasn't a lawsuit. Disney said the following in a shareholders conference call in 2011. Almost 7 years ago.

"To that end, we recently completed a transaction with Sony Pictures to simplify our relationship. And then in the deal, we purchased Sony Pictures' participation in Spiderman merchandising, while at the same time, Sony Pictures purchased from us our participation in Spiderman films. This transaction will allow us to control and fully benefit from all Spiderman merchandising activity, while Sony will continue to produce and distribute Spiderman films. We won't be specific about the economics of this 2-way transaction, but we expect it will drive attractive returns for Disney."
 
China is probably the biggest potential road block as I said above the EU should follow the DOJ and approve.
 
There's literally nothing that can stop it now AT&T/Time Warner is going ahead.
Not that it would ever effect Disney/Fox, but the AT&T deal is being appealed. There is a chance that that deal might be undone.
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...worry-beijing-could-be-tricky-fox-deal-hurdle



I need to read up on international regulatory approvals for 2 companies headquartered in the US because that is not making much sense to me.

I don't see how any foreign authority can actually block the deal? As you say it's 2 US based companies merging.

I'd guess maybe the 'stumbling block' is someone like China, if they didn't approve, could block the merged Disney/Fox from trading in any form in thier country?
 
At least somthing came home this summer.
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...worry-beijing-could-be-tricky-fox-deal-hurdle

I need to read up on international regulatory approvals for 2 companies headquartered in the US because that is not making much sense to me.
Mostly due to Fox's international assets and stakes. Not a deal killer, but certainly complicates the closing.

Sony execs are/were delusional. When PS3 came out they had the SM logo and tried their best to sell it that they had the rights to the character.....even though SM games were coming out on XBox and Nintendo during the same time.
I remember that. A classic example of Sony's hubris being their downfall.

I don't see how any foreign authority can actually block the deal? As you say it's 2 US based companies merging.

I'd guess maybe the 'stumbling block' is someone like China, if they didn't approve, could block the merged Disney/Fox from trading in any form in thier country?
It wouldn't necessarily be blocked, but the situation would certainly be greatly complicated. It creates a situation where a third party intermediate would be brought in. China has forced foreign investors in the past to do similar things so as to spur local investment and ownership. It's partly the shadier side of doing business there.
 
Thank god.


He seems to mostly retweet marvel studios stuff and promote whatever the current release is all tho he didnt update his profile for infinity war its still promoting black panther.
 
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