The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 23

[Marvel united]

 

[Chip Chipperson]

acceptable. most acceptable.

 

[Xeno]

Forget the Fantastic Four and the X-Men. Now that Disney has all of the Fox captives back, it can finally make a Lockjaw and the Pet Avengers movie! Lockjaw, Redwing, Hairball, Lockheed, Throg and Ms. Lion (who is a boy) were a really fun team of Thanos-busting pets. An animated film has the potential to be a lot of fun and could be a great fit for Disney's streaming service.

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[WeaponXCII]

Alright- so, I wasn't sure if I was going to write this post, but the topic seems to have kind of rolled around to it, so here goes....

A couple of days ago, I was watching "making of" documentary on the 2003 Daredevil, and the director, who had been into the character since childhood, was talking about the stunt work, and how all these things he wanted for the movie just couldn't be done. You could just see and hear the abject sense of defeat and disappointment in his speaking and demeanor.

Cut to a bit later, and I decided to follow it up with a "making of" for the first Fox-Men (lots of great little nuggets like McKellen saying that Singer "doesn't know much"- check it out if you can). From minute one we're hit over the head with how Singer wanted a sense of realism in his movie about people who shoot beams out of their eyes and read minds. Realism, realism, realism. Oh, that and that he didn't care about the comic books- but we already knew that.

The more I thought about it the projects- and just the absolute contrast in approach, mindset, and passion between the two directors- the more I said to myself "Dammit, Daredevil should have been the good one, not this wannabe biker gang!"

And then I watched something on Infinity War where I think the Russos who "counted themselves as fans long, long before they ever became film-makers in the MCU." Passion coupled with ability.

So, what point am I trying to make? I don't entirely know. Maybe this is just the incoherent rantings of a rabid fan. Maybe I'm trying to say how disappointed I am that passion doesn't seem to be what propels these movies to greatness. That passion isn't enough. That, like some sort of cosmic joke, even being bereft of that passion can take you further as a film-maker. That we can love these characters with every fiber of our being, and still not have it be enough. That a franchise can go on for nearly two decades being ashamed of itself. That we could have gotten to where we are today with the X-Men coming home years ago if things turned out just a bit differently. Or at least gotten something better along the way.

Well, I think that's all I have in me for now. I don't know if this even needed to be said for the thousandth time or if it'll spark any discussion, but if you made it this far, thanks for listening to me vent.

 

[Endeavor]

Well, I think that's all I have in me for now. I don't know if this even needed to be said for the thousandth time or if it'll spark any discussion, but if you made it this far, thanks for listening to me vent.

Thank you for sharing.
I'll add that aside from the 2 major items you mentioned, passion and talent, there is another very important factor: Leadership.

Let's remember that FOX has had the likes of Tom Rothman enforcing his ill will towards these movies, something which manifested in the stupid treatment Cyclops received in The Last Stand.

That is why I am so happy these characters are coming home to Marvel Studios. Because their leadership, with Feige and others in his team, are a completely different thing than Kinberg, Singer and Shuller-Donner.

 

[Xeno]

Thank you for sharing.
I'll add that aside from the 2 major items you mentioned, passion and talent, there is another very important factor: Leadership.

Let's remember that FOX has had the likes of Tom Rothman enforcing his ill will towards these movies, something which manifested in the stupid treatment Cyclops received in The Last Stand.

That is why I am so happy these characters are coming home to Marvel Studios. Because their leadership, with Feige and others in his team, are a completely different thing than Kinberg, Singer and Shuller-Donner.

Tom Rothman slithered on over to Sony, where his distaste for superheroes and desire for profit above all things is fueling the wretched No-Spider-Man Spiderverse.

 

[Endeavor]

Tom Rothman slithered on over to Sony, where his distaste for superheroes and desire for profit above all things is fueling the wretched No-Spider-Man Spiderverse.

Yes I know.

Proof yet again that people who call the shots in SONY are unbelievably stupid.

 

[Random490]

Thank you for sharing.
I'll add that aside from the 2 major items you mentioned, passion and talent, there is another very important factor: Leadership.

Let's remember that FOX has had the likes of Tom Rothman enforcing his ill will towards these movies, something which manifested in the stupid treatment Cyclops received in The Last Stand.

That is why I am so happy these characters are coming home to Marvel Studios. Because their leadership, with Feige and others in his team, are a completely different thing than Kinberg, Singer and Shuller-Donner.

Definitely, one of the best things about Marvel is their ability to find talent that's perfectly suited for the story they want to tell. Almost every time a director is announced I can't help but think "perfect choice". Feige said he spends a lot of time just watching as many movies as he can in order to find the perfect director who can tell story well. He doesn't just find someone who recently had a hit so they can have a "big name" attached to the film. Effects don't matter and action doesn't matter if you don't care about the story or characters. And that's where Marvel excels.

Too many studios are focused on following trends or superficial qualities to emulate, when they should be focusing on the direction of each individual product. What kind of story is it? How should it be told? Who can tell it well? If you can get that right then everything else just falls into place.

 

[Darkprime]

The new Venom trailer looks awful. Last one was better
Dont have a lot of hope Venom. Just wish Sony would give the rights back. Everytime they make a movie it feels like they are delaying marvel getting the rights.

 

[KBX]

I’m fine with Sony still owning the spiderman rights. It’s gives us more spiderman contact. Venom or into the spider verse would never get made with the MCU. As long as they extend the deals with marvel studios of course.

 

[DalekbusterFitz]

I’m fine with Sony still owning the spiderman rights. It’s gives us more spiderman contact. Venom or into the spider verse would never get made with the MCU. As long as they extend the deals with marvel studios of course.

Sony are clueless when it comes to comicbook movies though. They should admit it and just sell the rights to Disney.

 

[Darkprime]

A bit OT but Disney to sit down with Gunn about possible reinstatement.

https://mobile.***********/skylerhxc/status/1024316613548548096?s=21

 

[KBX]

Sony are clueless when it comes to comicbook movies though. They should admit it and just sell the rights to Disney.

They gave us Spiderman 1 and 2. Into the spider verse has potiental and Venom has yet to come out yet.

 

[Herofan]

The more I thought about it the projects- and just the absolute contrast in approach, mindset, and passion between the two directors- the more I said to myself "Dammit, Daredevil should have been the good one, not this wannabe biker gang!"

So, what point am I trying to make? I don't entirely know. Maybe this is just the incoherent rantings of a rabid fan. Maybe I'm trying to say how disappointed I am that passion doesn't seem to be what propels these movies to greatness. That passion isn't enough. That, like some sort of cosmic joke, even being bereft of that passion can take you further as a film-maker. That we can love these characters with every fiber of our being, and still not have it be enough. That a franchise can go on for nearly two decades being ashamed of itself.

Well within any adaptation it's probably good to have some distance, maybe even try to do a little less, or at least focus on less, and do it better. I think Singer at least had passion for Wolverine and the contrast between Xavier and Magneto even if not for mutant powers or character backgrounds generally and OTOH if Johnson wasn't such a big longtime fan of Elektra and Bullseye he might have realized that they weren't working really well as film characters.

Nolan seems fond of the comic characters without being really bound by them, his Joker is interesting in being pretty inspired by some of the comics and yet also fairly original.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Venom or into the spider verse would never get made with the MCU.

Exactly. That's why Marvel Studios should have the rights back. One can count on them to not make stupid decisions like greenlighting that Venom movie

 

[EnDz0n3]

Can anyone explain to me what’s up with Hardy’s accent in this movie? It sounds horrible.

Like what is he even doing with that? It sounds super-annoying.

I don’t know if I can sit in a theater for two in a half hours listing to that guy.

Between Tom Hardy and Michelle Williams, this movie will have very questionable (laughable?) accents. Actually I've only watched the trailer once so I forgot if she attempted an accent in this one.

I know people are fans of these two actors but every time either one speaks in an accent that's not their own in their movies, it really does take me out of the story.

 

[WeaponXCII]

Thanks for taking some time to reply to my post, guys. You provide some good points, and I think that was a much-needed opportunity for me to let off a bit of steam. I'm feeling a lot more reinvigorated and "Hopeful" about the next several months leading up to the closing of the deal!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Alright- so, I wasn't sure if I was going to write this post, but the topic seems to have kind of rolled around to it, so here goes....

A couple of days ago, I was watching "making of" documentary on the 2003 Daredevil, and the director, who had been into the character since childhood, was talking about the stunt work, and how all these things he wanted for the movie just couldn't be done. You could just see and hear the abject sense of defeat and disappointment in his speaking and demeanor.

Cut to a bit later, and I decided to follow it up with a "making of" for the first Fox-Men (lots of great little nuggets like McKellen saying that Singer "doesn't know much"- check it out if you can). From minute one we're hit over the head with how Singer wanted a sense of realism in his movie about people who shoot beams out of their eyes and read minds. Realism, realism, realism. Oh, that and that he didn't care about the comic books- but we already knew that.

The more I thought about it the projects- and just the absolute contrast in approach, mindset, and passion between the two directors- the more I said to myself "Dammit, Daredevil should have been the good one, not this wannabe biker gang!"

And then I watched something on Infinity War where I think the Russos who "counted themselves as fans long, long before they ever became film-makers in the MCU." Passion coupled with ability.

So, what point am I trying to make? I don't entirely know. Maybe this is just the incoherent rantings of a rabid fan. Maybe I'm trying to say how disappointed I am that passion doesn't seem to be what propels these movies to greatness. That passion isn't enough. That, like some sort of cosmic joke, even being bereft of that passion can take you further as a film-maker. That we can love these characters with every fiber of our being, and still not have it be enough. That a franchise can go on for nearly two decades being ashamed of itself. That we could have gotten to where we are today with the X-Men coming home years ago if things turned out just a bit differently. Or at least gotten something better along the way.

Well, I think that's all I have in me for now. I don't know if this even needed to be said for the thousandth time or if it'll spark any discussion, but if you made it this far, thanks for listening to me vent.

I think there are a number of elements and it’s harder than it looks (or DC, Fox, and Sony would all be doing better).

Tim Story said some things I really liked, but those things didn’t translate to film.

It’s passion, it’s talent, it’s a knowledge of the comic books and which elements are most important, it’s an understanding of your audience, it’s having the support of the studio and talent around you (artists, costume designers, special effects people ). etc. etc.

Throughout Fant4stic, many people were saying it would be a good movie - though maybe not one that pleased fans. But I didn’t want a ‘good movie’ that wasn’t FF. I had no interest in that. There are plenty of good movies out there. I want to see a good FF movie.

At the moment, I’m intrigued by Peyton Reed. Some fear he’s not up to it, but I think he has a nice combination of factors. And like I said, I think the key is having all those things working together. It’s not enough to have just one or two.

 

[Darkprime]

Its obvious Fox only made the 2015 F4 movie to keep the rights. And only released it to try and recoup some of the money they lost. The good xmen movies seemed to.be flukes where the stars just happened to allign.

 

[WeaponXCII]

I think there are a number of elements and it’s harder than it looks (or DC, Fox, and Sony would all be doing better).

Tim Story said some things I really liked, but those things didn’t translate to film.

It’s passion, it’s talent, it’s a knowledge of the comic books and which elements are most important, it’s an understanding of your audience, it’s having the support of the studio and talent around you (artists, costume designers, special effects people ). etc. etc.

Throughout Fant4stic, many people were saying it would be a good movie - though maybe not one that pleased fans. But I didn’t want a ‘good movie’ that wasn’t FF. I had no interest in that. There are plenty of good movies out there. I want to see a good FF movie.

At the moment, I’m intrigued by Peyton Reed. Some fear he’s not up to it, but I think he has a nice combination of factors. And like I said, I think the key is having all those things working together. It’s not enough to have just one or two.

Definitely agree with everything you said, Willie. I think a lot of times our passion blinds us to truly how difficult it can be managing all of these competing interests- let alone on a successful level. I suppose we should just be grateful that the past decade has brought us the ability to have passion and aptitude.

And I've often had the exact same thought: any movie can be a good movie, but only a comic movie can be a good comic book movie.

 

[Detective Conan]

IThroughout Fant4stic, many people were saying it would be a good movie - though maybe not one that pleased fans. But I didn’t want a ‘good movie’ that wasn’t FF. I had no interest in that. There are plenty of good movies out there. I want to see a good FF movie..

Personally I'd much rather have both a good movie and a good Fantastic Four film at the same time because a good Fantastic Four film is a 'good' movie no matter what. They're pretty interchangeable. The first Iron Man film isn't just a good Iron Man movie but a damn good film at that. The same should apply to Fantastic Four. Focus on making a good film not just a good FF film since there are plenty who aren't fans of the FF at all. if you make a film that works for both fans and non-fans then you're golden.

 

[Darkprime]

The thing with Fox and Sony is they dont care about the source material or characters and it shows. Fox got a bit better in this area towards the end and we ended up with DOFP and Logan. Fox can make good movies when they have the right combo. Hugh and Mangold etc. But that Combo came too late.

Sony just doesnt care all they see with spiderman are $$$ signs and it shows. Venom looks awful. And spiderman needs to be pulled from Sonys grasp.

 

[InCali]

So, here's my take on this. Build up the FF baddies along the same line as was done with Thanos (Doom being the penultimate), let X-Men rest a bit and completely reboot down the line. I'm a bit torn about that because I'd like to see X-Men sooner rather than later, but it just seems too soon for me. Wanda and Pietro are a bit of a conundrum. Bring QS back in A4 and things get a bit easier.

I want to see a couple/few killer F4 movies asap.....as long as Constantin doesn't block it (Did I just say that?) t:

 

[InCali]

Throughout Fant4stic, many people were saying it would be a good movie - though maybe not one that pleased fans. But I didn’t want a ‘good movie’ that wasn’t FF. I had no interest in that. There are plenty of good movies out there. I want to see a good FF movie.

At the moment, I’m intrigued by Peyton Reed. Some fear he’s not up to it, but I think he has a nice combination of factors. And like I said, I think the key is having all those things working together. It’s not enough to have just one or two.

OMG....did everyone read this? Willie thinks Fart-tastic was a good movie!!!

Hey, I've read crazier response......just not many...

 

[Darkprime]

So are we expecting any updates from Disney on the 7th at the earnings call?