The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Darkprime]

uh oh.

Marvel And Sony Clashed Over Far From Home Spoiling Avengers: Endgame

 

[ironwez20]

Right. Just a remake of a movie they already made with a new cast.




LOL



I can't tell if you're trying to be funny or not anymore, because you've literally just described the X-Men franchise.

I honestly can’t tell if your trolling or not but that’s not a reboot. They screwed up the timeline. It’s not a remake of last stand. Nah son. I did t describe Spider-Man. What?

Like I told you forty times. Spider-Man was rebooted and X-men wasn’t. X-men still retains the same formula.

I think it’s getting late bud. It’s time to sleep

 

[MbJ]

It’s not a remake of last stand

It totally is.

I did t describe Spider-Man. What?

Your claim was that Homecoming's box office suffered because it was trying to revive a brand that'd been damaged by bad movies. The X-Men is also a brand that's been damaged by bad movies.

uh oh.

Marvel And Sony Clashed Over Far From Home Spoiling Avengers: Endgame

That's not surprising. It makes me wonder how they plan to market the "dead" heroes' involvement in Infinity War since we all know by now they'll be returning at some point in the film.

 

[Xeno]

uh oh.

Marvel And Sony Clashed Over Far From Home Spoiling Avengers: Endgame

Feige is still willing to work with Sony despite the latter's intransigence, so no need for alarm. The man has the patience of Job, that's for sure.

Marvel was right, FFH should be coming out in 2020 instead of 2019, but Sony is too greedy for that. Makes one wish that Amazon really would buy the studio.

 

[Marvel united]

Feige is still willing to work with Sony despite the latter's intransigence, so no need for alarm. The man has the patience of Job, that's for sure.

Marvel was right, FFH should be coming out in 2020 instead of 2019, but Sony is too greedy for that. Makes one wish that Amazon really would buy the studio.

I'm guessing FFH had to come out in 2019 so he could still be in High-school. They're already a year behind on what his age should be (17) and the Spider-Man movies are stretching the timeline as is "8 years later".

That being said, I really hope Marvel can find a way to acquire the full rights. I feel like a lot of Spider-Man's potential is being limited because of the shenanigans going on behind the scenes between Marvel and Sony. I truly feel like if Marvel had the full rights, Norman Osborn/Oscorp and the Daily Bugle would have debuted by now and been established as main players in the wider Marvel Universe. But because Sony may have plans for these characters in their own universe, they are restricted from appearing in the MCU. They've already nabbed Venom, Carnage, Black Cat, Kraven and Morbius. And now there's talk of Sinister Six still being in active development which may mean characters like Doc Ock, Electro, Rhino and Sandman are also off-limits to the MCU. If they keep this up, Marvel won't have anymore tentpole non C-list villains to use in their own Spider-Man movies. Mysterio is the last Tentpole Spider-Man villain they have... After him, all we're left with is people like Hypno-Hustler, Grizzly, Will O'Wisp, Kangaroo and The Spot.

Similarly, I think that may possibly be the reason why we got characters like Michelle Jones in Homecoming instead of Mary Jane Watson. That choice still makes no sense to me.

 

[babykhris]

Person says Homecoming is the worst Spider-Man movie ever in a world that has seen Spider-Man 3 and ASM2, and expects anybody to take him seriously...

It’s only the worst to fans because Marvel Studios was involved. Like everyone claims that all the X-Men films were such cinematic magic.

 

[I Am The Knight]

uh oh.

Marvel And Sony Clashed Over Far From Home Spoiling Avengers: Endgame

Can't really fault Sony here. You don't delay your golden goose franchise's second outing by a year just because your partner studio wants to protect their "spoiler". Everyone knows the dusted characters are coming back. The big question is HOW. FFH trailers are not going to delve into that.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

See, that's the thing though. They're "important" in that the hardcore fans think they are.

I think it goes beyond that. Even non-fans know the FF and X-Men characters. They may not know exactly who they are but they've seen them in cartoons. They've seen them on posters and T-Shirts and drinking classes. They know "That orange rock guy" or "That guy who shoots beams out of his eyes" even if they can't say more than that. That general familiarity makes them more interested if they see a tease of one of those characters than a character who is completely unfamiliar to them.

They're important because this is Marvel:

And those kind of images are familiar to hard core and more casual fans alike.

Something like GOTG HAS to be good. If a film like that comes out with a weak trailer or mixed reviews, people will pass. Something more familiar. like Batman or Superman or more familiar Maevel characters, are more immune to a weak effort. People will be interested and show up just because they're interested in the characters.

Give a talented wood-worker a bad piece of wood, and he can make a nice table out of it, but give him a great cut of wood and he'll do it better and easier.

 

[Abudefduf]

This is a bit random but I kind of wish Marvel had the movies rights to Conan. Then again, even if they did they probably wouldn't know what to do with him since I doubt they'd see any value in making a movie set thousands of years before the MCU.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Something like GOTG HAS to be good. If a film like that comes out with a weak trailer or mixed reviews, people will pass. Something more familiar. like Batman or Superman or more familiar Maevel characters, are more immune to a weak effort. People will be interested and show up just because they're interested in the characters.

Give a talented wood-worker a bad piece of wood, and he can make a nice table out of it, but give him a great cut of wood and he'll do it better and easier.

This was true, but now the table is made. GOTG has been a big part of Marvel's marketing and mainstream recognition for a little while now. It isn't the 90s anymore. Things have changed.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Love these pics.

 

[ironwez20]

It totally is.



Your claim was that Homecoming's box office suffered because it was trying to revive a brand that'd been damaged by bad movies. The X-Men is also a brand that's been damaged by bad movies.



That's not surprising. It makes me wonder how they plan to market the "dead" heroes' involvement in Infinity War since we all know by now they'll be returning at some point in the film.

If it’s a remake of last stand where is wolverine, where is the brotherhood? Where is

It totally is.



Your claim was that Homecoming's box office suffered because it was trying to revive a brand that'd been damaged by bad movies. The X-Men is also a brand that's been damaged by bad movies.



That's not surprising. It makes me wonder how they plan to market the "dead" heroes' involvement in Infinity War since we all know by now they'll be returning at some point in the film.

Lol . Where is wolverine, why is the roster different? Where is the cure plot? Where is the brotherhood? Like I said it’s not a reboot of last stand get over it

 

[ironwez20]

It totally is.



Your claim was that Homecoming's box office suffered because it was trying to revive a brand that'd been damaged by bad movies. The X-Men is also a brand that's been damaged by bad movies.



That's not surprising. It makes me wonder how they plan to market the "dead" heroes' involvement in Infinity War since we all know by now they'll be returning at some point in the film.

If it’s a remake of last stand where is wolverine, where is the brotherhood? Where is

This was true, but now the table is made. GOTG has been a big part of Marvel's marketing and mainstream recognition for a little while now. It isn't the 90s anymore. Things have changed.

Well that’s cause marvel buried the xmen cause they didn’t have the rights

 

[Xeno]

Most weren't even aware of the project until the trailer was shown off or possibly when they went home and googled what the IW post-credit scene was supposed to mean. As I just said, I saw IW in multiple theaters, and the teaser elicited the same confused reaction each time.



I'd be willing to bet money there will be an Avengers movie after Endgame. They just had a billion dollar hit with Black Panther and smaller but still impressive hits with Spider-Man, Doctor Strange and Ant-Man and the Wasp. If there is not a New Avengers movie announced starring those characters + Captain Marvel, I will eat my hat. People keep pushing this fantasy that the Avengers are going bye-bye and that the X-Men will take their place as the main team series of the MCU or something, and that always seemed extremely far fetched.

Even before IW made over $2 billion, Bob Iger assured the press and Disney stockholders that the Avengers franchise would continue. After that two-billy rang up the Avengers place in Marvel's plans became even more certain. No movie studio would toss aside such a lucrative property in favor of other, far less certain prospects.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Well that’s cause marvel buried the xmen cause they didn’t have the rights

The "why" doesn't matter. What's done is done.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Even before IW made over $2 billion, Bob Iger assured the press and Disney stockholders that the Avengers franchise would continue. After that two-billy rang up the Avengers place in Marvel's plans became even more certain. No movie studio would toss aside such a lucrative property in favor of other, far less certain prospects.

Eventually we will see Iron Man, Cap, etc. again too, even if it means a reboot down the line. There is just too much money in doing it. Never forget that film as a medium is a business first and art second.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

A live action AvX is definitely gonna happen. Watch.

That is way too much money to be made to not do.

 

[ironwez20]

The "why" doesn't matter. What's done is done.

Actually it does. Since xmen is given no exposure they can’t be popular. Gotg right now is given more exposure

 

[Kuwolski]

The MCU is supposed to look at franchises they've built as second rate because they have the mutants now? Ditto for FF? Get back to me when the 'orange rock guy' and his buddies pull in Guardians coin. Same for X-Men.

Of course they are important to Marvel based on their history, but I'd wager Feige will ultimately take more pride by turning relative unknowns like the Guardians into an A-list franchise then simply giving some hardcore's what they expect. It's actually worked in the MCU's favor that they didn't have these properties at the start because it has made the overall brand stronger, that's the truth. The worst thing the MCU could do going forward is to start reverting to the likely mindset they would have had if they were in possession of these characters from the start. I doubt they will since the plan has been working No need to rush in adding them to the mix...Take time and do it right.

 

[ironwez20]

Lol jeez some of you really underestimate the xmen and FF potential . I know gotg is popular right now cause it’s in the mcu but sheesh

 

[Kuwolski]

Lol jeez some of you really underestimate the xmen and FF potential . I know gotg is popular right now cause it’s in the mcu but sheesh

I'm not underestimating their 'potential', I'm just not dismissing the actual proven value of the Guardians simply because I read more X-men or FF comics when I was younger. I understand these properties will be cornerstones moving forward, but appreciate what Marvel has done without them. The Guardians aren't a second rate property just 'cause you don't care about them.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Actually it does. Since xmen is given no exposure they can’t be popular. Gotg right now is given more exposure

Again, we aren't talking about potential. We aren't talking about how things used to be a decade ago. We aren't talking about things could have been if the situation was different. We are talking about how things ARE, right now in the PRESENT. How we got there isn't relevant to this conversation.

 

[ironwez20]

Again, we aren't talking about potential. We aren't talking about how things used to be a decade ago. We aren't talking about things could have been if the situation was different. We are talking about how things ARE, right now in the PRESENT. How we got there isn't relevant to this conversation.

Uh yea I know. Abd whst is happening right now is xmen and ff are about to come to the mcu. Idk where ur getting me talking about decade old things? What? I’m talking about the future. When xmen and ff come into the mcu? You know the deal? I’m talking about the potential it will garner when the characters are finally introduced? Ya get me?

 

[ironwez20]

I'm not underestimating their 'potential', I'm just not dismissing the actual proven value of the Guardians simply because I read more X-men or FF comics when I was younger. I understand these properties will be cornerstones moving forward, but appreciate what Marvel has done without them. The Guardians aren't a second rate property just 'cause you don't care about them.

I just don’t think they have enough staying power. Sure they are interesting but idk if when the xmen and ff come back they’ll be as big as they are. I mean idk that’s just me

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Whatever they do with X-Men, just for the love of God, keep Storm with long white hair.

That Halle Berry short bob, 80s mohawk shxt is played out.