The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[BoredGuy]

well I also think Feige is full of S*** when he says they have no plans yet and will think about it when and if it happens

Same as they did with Spidey, you know they have one lineup of films without the Fox Properties, and one with them
and the second the deal is finalized, Plan B becomes Plan A

 

[Spider-Fan]

Shang-Chi I don't think will disappear. That will be a low risk potentially high reward film. I think that one will happen. Black Knight I am less convinced.

 

[Marvel united]

well I also think Feige is full of S*** when he says they have no plans yet and will think about it when and if it happens

Same as they did with Spidey, you know they have one lineup of films without the Fox Properties, and one with them
and the second the deal is finalized, Plan B becomes Plan A

Exactly. Remember -- Marvel had an entire draft of Civil War written with Spider-Man in the script when they merely IN TALKS with Sony about using the character, before they even came to any sort of agreement. Feige has already said before that Marvel Studios has contingency plans in place, in case they get any of their properties back from Fox.

Once the deal closes, it most definitely will not be "business as usual" at Marvel Studios. There is going to be a huge rush of excitement and energy focused into integrating these new properties. Feige has made it clear over the years that he's wanted them home.

 

[OB12]

That's what they are. Iron Man, Captain America, Ant-Man etc were B-list characters before Marvel launched them into the stratosphere of popularity and mass appeal. And the reason why is because they didn't have acesss to Spider-Man, X-Men and Fantastic Four. If they had, the MCU would almost certainly look very different today. So in some respects, I'm glad they didn't have their crown jewels in 2006 as it forced them to buckle down and get creative; building a universe around lesser-known characters. Now we have a Shang-Chi and Eternals in development, and a Black Knight film rumored. That's awesome and all, but these guys are C-listers. They are virtually unknown even to the most hardcore Marvel fans minus maybe Shang-Chi (know him from Spider-Man). Now let's be honest with ourselves, if Marvel had access to the mythos of F4/X-Men in 2018 the Eternals wouldn't even be in the back of their minds.. That movie is now too far into development to be delayed but Shang-Chi? Black Knight? We know Marvel is excited to get these characters back and we know Feige's history with the X-Men goes back 20 years. We know he's excited to get into the X-Men mythos per THR. We know they're excited about using Wolverine, We know Marvel wanted Galactus and the Silver Surfer in Avengers 2-3 and Gunn wanted Kang.

The Phase 4 slate past 2020 isn't even set in concrete yet. (If they get the properties back next month, they could pitch to writers as soon as March-April if they want) I could easily see both Shang and Knight quietly disappearing from the slate to make room. Iger has made it clear that these properties will be very important to the future of Marvel.

Again, this runs completely contrary to everything Feige says. Story is everything for Marvel Studios, if they have a story then they will push it forward, if not then it goes to the backburner. He is continually talking about doing new and different stories, so I think Shang-Chi falls right in line with that thinking. But it is equally likely that Adam Mckay has a Silver Surfer movie in his mind and that could get fast-tracked. The public's perception of a property barely registers for Feige, I'd wager.

 

[OB12]

well I also think Feige is full of S*** when he says they have no plans yet and will think about it when and if it happens

Same as they did with Spidey, you know they have one lineup of films without the Fox Properties, and one with them
and the second the deal is finalized, Plan B becomes Plan A

Oh, I definitely believe he has plans for these characters, a general outline of where and how they fit into the overall narrative of the MCU. However, it also requires the right script and director with a vision to bring that to fruition.

 

[Marvel united]

Again, this runs completely contrary to everything Feige says. Story is everything for Marvel Studios, if they have a story then they will push it forward, if not then it goes to the backburner. He is continually talking about doing new and different stories, so I think Shang-Chi falls right in line with that thinking. But it is equally likely that Adam Mckay has a Silver Surfer movie in his mind and that could get fast-tracked. The public's perception of a property barely registers for Feige, I'd wager.

If they have two of their biggest properties back In their mitts, they'll make a story happen. Just like they did with Homecoming a year after TASM2 came out, the script was ready to go and Holland was already cast in June of 2015.

We need to take into account the variables of this situation. If Marvel had the Fantastic Four, Shang-Chi would not be happening. Ditto for X-Men and even more so, as the X-Men mythos on it's own could support an entire universe only to them. There is a lot of material to mine from.

I don't think it's going to take as long as some people think. Marvel has made it clear that they are always thinking 5 steps ahead.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't see Shang Chi disappearing as it is culturally relevant and would be another case of giving Asians the short shrift. They want to corner that part of the market like they did for Black Panther and Captain Marvel. Imagine getting rid of those from the slate.

But there's no reason for Eternals or Black Knight. What purpose do they serve? They're just more of the same white characters and not even iconic like the X-Men or FF. So they don't tick either of those boxes. It's better to have those disappear to make room for the Fox properties than getting rid of Shang Chi, which would receive a ton of backlash if they did.

 

[OB12]

If they have two of their biggest properties back In their mitts, they'll make a story happen. Just like they did with Homecoming a year after TASM2 came out, the script was ready to go and Holland was already cast in June of 2015.

We need to take into account the variables of this situation. If Marvel had the Fantastic Four, Shang-Chi would not be happening. Ditto for X-Men and even more so, as the X-Men mythos on it's own could support an entire universe only to them. There is a lot of material to mine from.

I don't think it's going to take as long as some people think. Marvel has made it clear that they are always thinking 5 steps ahead.

Spidey proves my point. They had a story for him, they didn't make a story happen because they got access to him. The Russos, Markus, and McFreely wanted to use Spidey in Civil War, that Marvel Studios struck a deal Sony was a fortuitous scenario. It was also clear from the leaks that Feige had ideas on how Spidey should be depicted on screen and they were able to get a director to bring that to life in Homecoming.

I think there will be a lot of activity in Marvel Studios once the sale is complete. The X-men or FF may get pushed to the front, but it will only be because they have a story they want to tell about those characters that fits within the MCU.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't see Shang Chi disappearing as it is culturally relevant and would be another case of giving Asians the short shrift. They want to corner that part of the market like they did for Black Panther and Captain Marvel. Imagine getting rid of those from the slate.

But there's no reason for Eternals or Black Knight. What purpose do they serve? They're just more of the same white characters and not even iconic like the X-Men or FF. So they don't tick either of those boxes. It's better to have those disappear to make room for the Fox properties than getting rid of Shang Chi, which would receive a ton of backlash if they did.

Eternals will serve a very valuable purpose: the next phase is supposed to be heavily cosmic. Since GotG3 is no longer going to be the film setting up that cosmic shift, Eternals can do that. It also can expand upon the Celestials and the history of the MCU, which can in turn explain the origin of mutants now that Marvel will have the X-Men. So Eternals I think is going to be one of the most essential pieces to the phase IV slate. While the FF and the X-Men can fuel the MCU for years to come, the Eternals can set the X-Men and such up and give them context. Heck, it can even introduce the idea of Galactus (since we're talking origins of the MCU and Celestials...I think Galactus is going to be made into a Celestial for the movies like Ego was) and set-up an Adam McKay Surfer movie.

Ya'll are discounting what Eternals is going to do, IMO.

 

[Marvel united]

Spidey proves my point. They had a story for him, they didn't make a story happen because they got access to him. The Russos, Markus, and McFreely wanted to use Spidey in Civil War, that Marvel Studios struck a deal Sony was a fortuitous scenario. It was also clear from the leaks that Feige had ideas on how Spidey should be depicted on screen and they were able to get a director to bring that to life in Homecoming.

Right. And why wouldn't the same apply to the X-Men or F4? You bring up a good point in the leaked emails. Feige had basically planned out and knew what he wanted to do with Spider-Man. Even going so far as to suggest he get his suit from Stark which actually happened 2 years later in Civil War. There's no reason to believe he hasn't constructed similar plans with any of the other prized properties that Fox had. Especially when he had already said in the past that he has.

I think there will be a lot of activity in Marvel Studios once the sale is complete. The X-men or FF may get pushed to the front, but it will only be because they have a story they want to tell about those characters that fits within the MCU.

Of course.

 

[SyntaxError]

both Eternals and Shang Chi will move forward.

The Fox properties will not be introduced so quickly. They will give time for GP to forget the last F4 failure and the current X-Men franchise. Maybe 2023/24

 

[Marvel united]

I don't see Shang Chi disappearing as it is culturally relevant and would be another case of giving Asians the short shrift. They want to corner that part of the market like they did for Black Panther and Captain Marvel. Imagine getting rid of those from the slate.

Maybe not disappear but get pushed forward. When Marvel got Spider-Man back, they did in fact delay BP and Captain Marvel (along with Thor) to make room. That's really a testament to how much Spidey means to Marvel Studios. He is their flagship character after all.

Shang-Chi I could see being pushed up to 2023. Black Knight to 2024 while F4 comes out in late 2021 and X-Men in 2022

 

[Abudefduf]

But there's no reason for Eternals or Black Knight. What purpose do they serve? They're just more of the same white characters and not even iconic like the X-Men or FF.

According to the leaked character descriptions, the Eternals are getting the Spider-Man: Homecoming treatment. Don't expect to see too many white actors in the movie

 

[Zarex]

The cast will likely be a mix of ethnicities and races. Which makes sense given the BO success of films with a diverse cast and the fact that none of the Eternals are human.

 

[Marvel united]

Marvel's Feige Addresses Adam McKay's Desire to Make Silver Surfer Movie

 

[Iceman]

Marvel's Feige Addresses Adam McKay's Desire to Make Silver Surfer Movie

I love that he can actually address stuff like this now. So cool to hear him talk about it.

 

[Marvel united]

I love that he can actually address stuff like this now. So cool to hear him talk about it.

Exciting times, man. I've never been so excited for the future of Marvel. It's nice to be able to get excited about X-Men In film again. The last time I was actively anticipating an X-Men movie was in 2008 when Wolverine: Origins trailer dropped and that was more to do with seeing Gambit and Wade Wilson for the first time.


Imagine if the tagline for the MCU X-Men was something like "Witness the EvolutiXn of the Marvel Universe"

 

[Iceman]

Exciting times, man. I've never been so excited for the future of Marvel. It's nice to be able to get excited about X-Men In film again. The last time I was actively anticipating an X-Men movie was in 2008 when Wolverine: Origins trailer dropped and that was more to do with seeing Gambit and Wade Wilson for the first time.


Imagine if the tagline for the MCU X-Men was something like "Witness the EvolutiXn of the Marvel Universe"

I think most X-Men comics fans can say the same. This was an amazing unexpected boost for the future of the MCU and I really hope it all goes smoothly.

 

[Marvel united]

I think most X-Men comics fans can say the same. This was an amazing unexpected boost for the future of the MCU and I really hope it all goes smoothly.

Same

It's time.

 

[Detective Conan]

I’m much more excited for Fantastic Four than X-Men. The thought of finally seeing a non-crappy Fantastic Four film that won’t make me either cringe or embarrass me puts a smile on my face.

 

[BoredGuy]

I'm excited for whatever films may be on the way for these properties
but I'm also equally as excited for artwork and merchandise featuring the comic versions of Marvel characters to no longer treat the X-Men and FF like they don't exist

These past few years have had some amazing Avengers merch, can't wait to see [more] X-Men [besides Wolverine] get in on the sweet loot

 

[Moridin]

Thinking about this, I'm okay not having an X-Men or Fantastic Four until 2024 or later. Marvel Studios know a thing or two about building up for events (Avengers 1-4, CW) and both the XM and FF brand are currently damaged. Furthermore the slate for 2019 is 100% set. The slate for 2020 and 2021 are also pretty much done as well. 2022 - 2024 were already deep in planning stages prior to Disney announcing the acquisition in 2017. I have always said FF films should do at least GoTG numbers, if not more, and X-Men should be up there with Avengers in terms of BO gross for ensemble films. Unlike Spider-man there's no need to rush. They will not be dealing with another studio and can take their time. Cameos can happen earlier, maybe as early as this year. Disney+ mini series can start happening as well, maybe as early as this or next year.

Standalone movies can start happening in 2021 or so (Give me a Dr. Doom movie, please! And a Deadpool 3!). That will all lead up to us nerds being extra thirsty for the ensemble "Marvel's Uncanny X-Men" or "Marvel's Fantastic Four" in 5 or so years. It'll also let the GA know that the quality for these characters is much higher and no crap like that Doom in Fan4stic or whatever the hell that Apocalypse movie was.

Re: the bolded...
The only films right now "deep in planning" are the films that actually have directors & writers - Dr Strange 2, Black Widow, & The Eternals. They'll make up the 2 2020 films (May & November), and 1 of the 2021 films (February, May, November).

Anything else after those 3 films is not concrete and can easily be bumped back to accommodate new films, same way Ragnarok, BP & Cpt Marvel all got bumped back when Spidey joined, & Cpt Marvel again when Ant-Man& the Wasp was added to the schedule.

I fully expect F4 & X-Men will debut in '21/'22.

The Fox properties will not be introduced so quickly. They will give time for GP to forget the last F4 failure and the current X-Men franchise. Maybe 2023/24

Fantfourstic came out in 2015, and almost nobody saw it. A Marvel Studios F4 coming out in '21/'22 would be 6 or 7 years in between, which is loads of time.
As far as X-Men, Dark Phoenix is coming out this year (presumably), again, 2 to 3 years is plenty time in between that and a Marvel X-Men film.

 

[Kuwolski]

Near completion for Marvel's 80th.

 

[Darkprime]

January-February are the worst months of the year. literally nothing happens.

 

[Darkprime]

Captain Marvel tickets are now on sale.