The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Detective Conan]

The fact that Aquaman, Black Panther are billion dollar grossers and while superhero movies which had well-known characters like BvS and Justice League couldn't join the billion dollar club tells you something. The X-Men need a fresh take if they are to stay relevant. The first MCU X-film needs to give audiences something new and explore different facets of the comics never touched upon by Fox. Of course, one shouldn't expect an MCU X-film to hit the billion dollar finish line right out the gate. Since obviously you need to build the brand back up but soon the potential for X-Men to be the biggest franchise in Marvel will become apparent and the only way to realize that potential is to evolve and change things up because (as the underperformance of 'Apocalypse' has shown) audiences don't want to see the same stuff over and over again. You gotta stay one step ahead of your audience and give them a dish they've never been served before or else they'll feel things are getting stale. This is exactly where we are with the current main series after 'Apocalypse' with 'Dark Phoenix'.

I'm willing to bet my entire comic collection that a film based on a B-lister like Captain Marvel will easily outgross Dark Phoenix because Captain Marvel is taking Marvel to uncharted territory with a female protagonist that subverts the origin story formula while Dark Phoenix looks like any other X-Men movie -- How can any audience member look at that abysmal excuse for a trailer not be like "Boring! Been there! Done That!"

 

[Marvel united]

The fact that Aquaman, Black Panther are billion dollar grossers and while superhero movies which had well-known characters like BvS and Justice League couldn't join the billion dollar club tells you something. The X-Men need a fresh take if they are to stay relevant. The first MCU X-film needs to give audiences something new and explore different facets of the comics never touched upon by Fox. Of course, one shouldn't expect an MCU X-film to hit the billion dollar finish line right out the gate. Since obviously you need to build the brand back up but soon the potential for X-Men to be the biggest franchise in Marvel will become apparent and the only way to realize that potential is to evolve and change things up because as the underperformance of 'Apocalypse' has shown audiences don't want to see the same stuff over and over again. You gotta stay one step ahead of your audience give them a dish they've never eaten before.

Any ideas as to how they could make things fresh? I mean, hitting certain beats of the franchise are an inevitability. But I could see them using new mutants to freshen things up.

Using Dust and Loa for example (who are currenly X-Men in training) as main X-Men members. They bring more diversity to the team and their power sets are very unique. Loa echoes an Aquaman-lit character too and he's obviously a huge deal now

 

[Shuri]

Aquaman made a billion dollars today folks. Its funny to me that a character once thought of as a joke made more money than Wolverine and the rest of those muties ever did! The fact that Aquaman and Black Panther joined the billion dollar club and the Fox Mutants never did tells me that audiences want new characters and Marvel’s gotta do something fresh and really different with the Mutants almost like you’ve never seen them on screen before in order for them to regain their household status and be a billion dollar grosser. Does anyone understand where I’m coming from?

What if that means never using characters that have been used, how would you guys feel about that? I'll be devastated if we don't get Storm, Mystic, Rogue, Magneto, Charles and Wolverine. I can do without Cyclops and Jean.

 

[Shuri]

As a crime drama, it was quite good.

As a Daredevil show I would have greatly preferred more Daredevil and less de-powered, super whiney Matt Murdoch.

Its ashame there wont be a Season 4 because it sounded more like the type of Daredevil season I would have liked. A Daredevil show that actually has Daredevil in it.

I'm till holding out hope that marvel will revive it, nothing else makes sense.

 

[Shuri]

I wonder if the Russos are being setup to replace Feige at some point? Would be cool seeing them transition to a produce role.

I love the Russos but No.

 

[Shuri]

Very interesting. Thanks for summarizing these events. In this case - I think... She should be called "Invisible Woman" from the start. Simply because Sue is a grown woman (likely in her 30s as opposed to early 20s) and I doubt Marvel will want her written to be the stereotypical 60s archetype. She can still go through similar development.

I think another question is whether Sue should be a scientist in the MCU or remain an actress/celebrity as she was in the original run. Trank and Story both reinvented her into being a scientist like Reed but for differentiation sake and to make her unique from Reed - maybe it would be best if they stuck with her classic occupation

We've never seen an actress become a superhero in an film. I think that could be unique.

 

[Shuri]

Into the Spider-Verse is coming fot the Oscars.

I bet it wins it.

 

[Marvel united]

What if that means never using characters that have been used, how would you guys feel about that? I'll be devastated if we don't get Storm, Mystic, Rogue, Magneto, Charles and Wolverine. I can do without Cyclops and Jean.

Cyclops and Jean are essential to the X-Men franchise. Certainly more so than Magneto and Mystique. Two of the most overexposed characters in the franchise.

I'm fine with new characters but I want Scott, Jean and Storm at minimum. Scott and Storm in particular have been heavily underutilized by Fox. Those 3 are staple slots that need to fill out the team but I don't mind if the other 3-4 slots are new X-Men. Fox used most of the classic X-Men members from the 60s-90s. (Although they still haven't used Forge, Polaris, Dazzler, Sunfire and Longshot). The bread and butter of fresh X-Men will be the members recruited in the early 2000s/2010s.

New villains (Mr. Sinister/Maurauders, Stryfe, Bastion, John Sublime/U-Men, Phalanx, Grayden Creed/Friends of Humanity, Cassandra Nova, Cameron Hodge, Imperial Guard/Eric the Red/D'Ken, Sauron, Brood, Proteus -- Mister x, Master Mold, Selene, Arcade, Omega Red, Mastermind etc) is a given. There are dozens of unused villains. They could make an entire trilogy of films without Magnus if they wanted to.

New storylines (Mutant Massacre, Inferno, Fall of the Mutants, Brood saga, Rise and Fall of The Shi'ar Empire, Savage Land, Bishop's Crossing, X-Tinction agenda, Phalanx Covenant, Muir Island Saga, E Is For Extinction, House of M, Schism, Nation X, Messiah Complex trilogy, Avengers v. X-Men etc).

Lot of ground to cover with a fresh interpretation.

 

[Iceman]

They can plan for the long term now, so that all the main characters eventually get a shot, while still having room to introduce plenty of other characters.

 

[Crimz]

Random question:

Should Sue Storm be the Invisible Woman right off the bat or do we do a slow burn for character development around MCU Fantastic Four 2 where the Girl becomes the Woman?

No the Invisible Girl years were a horrible time for Sue and shouldn't be repeated. There are many other ways to have her develop and grow as a character without going back to that.

Very interesting. Thanks for summarizing these events. In this case - I think... She should be called "Invisible Woman" from the start. Simply because Sue is a grown woman (likely in her 30s as opposed to early 20s) and I doubt Marvel will want her written to be the stereotypical 60s archetype. She can still go through similar development.

I think another question is whether Sue should be a scientist in the MCU or remain an actress/celebrity as she was in the original run. Trank and Story both reinvented her into being a scientist like Reed but for differentiation sake and to make her unique from Reed - maybe it would be best if they stuck with her classic occupation

I think she should have a role for the scientific adventure aspect of the team. The previous films giving her such a role was a step in the right direction, it was just that making her a scientist messes up her dynamic with Reed. As I said in another thread:

I've always felt like Sue should be more excited about adventuring instead of just tagging along because her family does. I think an archaeologist type of Indiana Jones/Lara Croft thing would be really cool. In comics there's an alternate future where Sue's becomes an archaeologist and was doing her own thing it was really cool. Highlight that she loves adventure and that's why she joined Reed plus wanting to learn more about alien cultures to juxtapose Reed's focus on hard sciences. It has her more active in her own destiny and a reason why she joins without stepping on Reed's toes.

 

[Dark Raven]

I was hysterically laughing thinking of you when I was googling some vintage F4 art. Jack Kirby literally gave EVERYBODY the same face.

That can't be as bad as John Byrne giving everyone the same face. They could save money for the movies by casting one actor. If Reed is speaking and his wig blows off in a gust of wind, someone can say "hey look, it's Professor X!"

 

[I Am The Knight]

Characters having the "same" face is probably very common in comics.

 

[Abudefduf]

Not just the faces. Most superheroes (and many supervillains as well) are just palette swaps of Superman and Wonder Woman.

 

[Iceman]

Not just the faces. Most superheroes (and many supervillains as well) are just palette swaps of Superman and Wonder Woman.

Yeah, many have the exact same body too lol.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Love Jim Aparo but damn, every guy has the same face

 

[Dark Raven]

Love Jim Aparo but damn, every guy has the same face

Well with John Byrne, every guy and gal has the same face.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Bruce Timm also gives everyone the same face and body. All his character designs are interchangeable lol.

This is why I wish Jim Lee was still at Marvel. He would swag the X-Men out with cool costumes again.

 

[The Infernal]

Bruce Timm also gives everyone the same face and body. All his character designs are interchangeable lol.

This is why I wish Jim Lee was still at Marvel. He would swag the X-Men out with cool costumes again.

It would real funny, if just for fun, he put out a drawing of one of his classic line ups with costumes updated to how he would design them today.

 

[Marvel united]

They can plan for the long term now, so that all the main characters eventually get a shot, while still having room to introduce plenty of other characters.

That's my hope as well. The fact that so many classic characters like Bishop, Rogue and Psylocke were misused by Fox bodes well for them in the MCU. I don't think they'll be as hard-pressed against using old characters the same way they did on Homecoming - for this reason

 

[Dark Raven]

If Captain Marvel 2 were set still in the 1990s and they wanted to use Rogue in there, that means she'll be much older when it comes to interacting with present day characters.

 

[Iceman]

If Captain Marvel 2 were set still in the 1990s and they wanted to use Rogue in there, that means she'll be much older when it comes to interacting with present day characters.

Yeah, I guess that might not work.

 

[The Infernal]

Old Lady Rogue. There ya go, Mark Millar. There's another comic for you to write.

 

[Iceman]

That's my hope as well. The fact that so many classic characters like Bishop, Rogue and Psylocke were misused by Fox bodes well for them in the MCU. I don't think they'll be as hard-pressed against using old characters the same way they did on Homecoming - for this reason

I’m looking forward to those characters and all the others underutilised by Fox getting a proper shot in the MCU.

 

[Dark Raven]

If they did X-babies and Captain Marvel were attacked by Baby Rogue, then in present day she'll be the same age as everyone else.

 

[wobbly]

Characters having the "same" face is probably very common in comics.

It is. Most comic artists past and present have a default hero & heroine face with hair styles or costumes being the only way to tell characters apart.