The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Iceman]

Old Lady Rogue. There ya go, Mark Millar. There's another comic for you to write.

Haha.

 

[Iceman]

If they did X-babies and Captain Marvel were attacked by Baby Rogue, then in present day she'll be the same age as everyone else.

Haha, could be a solution. And then you could have a Care Bears/X-Babies crossover.

 

[Detective Conan]

What if that means never using characters that have been used, how would you guys feel about that? I'll be devastated if we don't get Storm, Mystic, Rogue, Magneto, Charles and Wolverine. I can do without Cyclops and Jean.

New fresh takes on those characters thats so radically different from the Fox-versions but still more comic-accurate can go a long way. The Fox-movies only scratched the surface for most of those characters so it'll be interesting to see them redone to be more in line with their comic book versions. They'll almost seem like new characters even if they sort of look similar to the Fox-versions. Take Rogue for example, if the MCU version were to hew closer to the source material then she would be a totally different character than the Rogue from the Fox-verse(which changed her character massively). In the comics, Rogue is a chatty, spunky, country girl which is a such a contrast to the more reserved character from the Fox-films. Same with a lot of the characters previously done by Fox. Scott in the comics is a formidable tactician & leader; who’s inspirational enough to the point thst he’s kind of like the ‘Mutant Captain America’.

So I’m all for using the characters but put a different spin on them.

 

[Iceman]

New fresh takes on those characters thats so radically different from the Fox-versions but still more comic-accurate can go a long way. The Fox-movies only scratched the surface for most of those characters so it'll be interesting to see them redone to be more in line with their comic book versions. They'll almost seem like new characters even if they sort of look similar to the Fox-versions. Take Rogue for example, if the MCU version were hew closer to the source material then would be a totally different character than the Rogue from the Fox-verse(which changed her character massively). In the comics, Rogue is a chatty, spunky, country girl which is a such a contrast to the more reserved character from the Fox-films. Same with a lot of the characters previously done by with Fox. Scott in the comics is an formidable tactician, leader, who’s inspirational and in way he’s kind of like the Mutant-Captain America.

So I’m all for using the characters but put a different story spin on them.

Exactly. There is a lot more to many of these characters that hasn't been touched on much in the Fox films.

 

[Detective Conan]

Any ideas as to how they could make things fresh? I mean, hitting certain beats of the franchise are an inevitability. But I could see them using new mutants to freshen things up.

Using Dust and Loa for example (who are currenly X-Men in training) as main X-Men members. They bring more diversity to the team and their power sets are very unique. Loa echoes an Aquaman-lit character too and he's obviously a huge deal now

Put more focus on the ensemble. Tell the story from Jean’s point of view like the X-Men Season One comic did, make it more fantastical and more comic booky. Place a bigger emphasis on Storm, put Jubilee at the forefront. Maybe put Bishop in it . And show that these characters are every bit as interesting as Wolverine(if not more so). If anything, the women should steal the show much like Black Panther did. Have them explore some exotic, imaginative places like a comic-accurate Genosha, etc.

There’s so many material for the X-Men. So many uncharted territory from the comics that Fox never bothered to explore so it shouldn’t be too hard to do something new with the X-Men that’s never been done before.

 

[ironwez20]

I want to see storm as the next black widow. She was at a time the most iconic woman in marvel or one of them. Let’s bring that back. Black panther 2 will definitely have her for sure

 

[Marvel united]

New fresh takes on those characters thats so radically different from the Fox-versions but still more comic-accurate can go a long way. The Fox-movies only scratched the surface for most of those characters so it'll be interesting to see them redone to be more in line with their comic book versions. They'll almost seem like new characters even if they sort of look similar to the Fox-versions. Take Rogue for example, if the MCU version were hew closer to the source material then would be a totally different character than the Rogue from the Fox-verse(which changed her character massively). In the comics, Rogue is a chatty, spunky, country girl which is a such a contrast to the more reserved character from the Fox-films. Same with a lot of the characters previously done by with Fox. Scott in the comics is an formidable tactician, leader, who’s inspirational and in way he’s kind of like the ‘Mutant Captain America’.

So I’m all for using the characters but put a different spin on them.

This

 

[Darkprime]

Do we think the 1st X-Men movie will be in the past or present? I think present day with flash backs seems likely.

 

[Marvel united]

Do we think the 1st X-Men movie will be in the past or present? I think present day with flash backs seems likely.

Present day with flashbacks. No way it'll be another period piece after the Fox movies have had the X-Men stuck in the past for nearly 8 years now.

 

[Detective Conan]

James McAvoy casts doubt on the X-Men joining the Avengers on screen (exclusive)

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It will be interesting to see what they do with the whole concept of "mutants". Will it be something that's just starting, or will they treat it like something that's been around just not well known?

 

[The Infernal]

Do we think the 1st X-Men movie will be in the past or present? I think present day with flash backs seems likely.

I wouldn't mind this approach. It would be great to see a Cyclops akin to his 90's room version as an established, confident leader and juxtapose that with the formation of the X-men a decade back. Though I'd keep flashbacks minimal so you could revisit those flashbacks over a couple of movies.

 

[Detective Conan]

It will be interesting to see what they do with the whole concept of "mutants". Will it be something that's just starting, or will they treat it like something that's been around just not well known?

This is how I would introduce the Mutants:

I would make the X-gene a thing that used to be very rare but now (post-Avengers 4) has become a widespread recent phenomenon. Older mutants like Logan, Xavier, Magneto have already existed before as byproducts of an old era of mutation pre-Thanos where the X-gene was more of an anomaly; making it a thing that didn't occur in humans often so the existence of mutants was something that was easier to be kept confidential(only a few people knew of the existence of them like government operatives and maybe some family members that kept their secrets from public) so that's why we haven't heard of mutants until now because their population size prior to Avengers 4 wasn't big enough to be noticed so they fell under the radar. Xavier, Magneto, and Logan - even though they're mutants were able to 'blend' into normal society because they're normal-looking mutants but after Thanos is defeated the X-gene somehow becomes more widespread - to the point that some individuals affected by the X-gene start exhibiting more monstrous or freakish physical characteristics(i.e. Beast) and due to a lack of formal education or guidance on how to control and use their powers the more human-looking mutants like Jean and Cyclops have difficulty fitting into regular society thus facing fear and scorn - the recent widespread upsurge of the rate of humans being mutated by the X-gene prompts Xavier to start a special school to train mutants to control their abilities and use them for the greater good.

 

[Darkprime]

James McAvoy casts doubt on the X-Men joining the Avengers on screen (exclusive)

The guy is great actor but I dont think he knows what hes talking about lol. The merger is way above his paygrade. And I doubt he keeps up with what Feige and Disney are saying nor as he even met with them yet.

 

[The Infernal]

I think it depends on how the question was worded. His answer seems worded as though the scenario is the Foxverse crossing over, which will never happen. He could also be playing for since he's got to look hyped for Dark Phoenix even though he's done as Xavier after that.

 

[Detective Conan]

The guy is great actor but I dont think he knows what hes talking about lol. The merger is way above his paygrade. And I doubt he keeps up with what Feige and Disney are saying nor as he even met with them yet.

He doesn’t deny that the X-Men could be joining the MCU but he’s more pointing out the oddities that come along with potentially integrating a superhero group who’s been traditionally met with public disdain/distrust into the same universe where civilians generally revere/adore another superhero group & treat them like celebrities. You have to admit there would be a double standard in that regard.

 

[ADollarADay]

Once Upon a Deadpool is confirmed to be releasing in China (I think Jan 25th?). As I said, that movie was a litmus test to see how they can release R rated Marvel movies in the Middle Kingdom. That market is just too big to ignore. Expect future Deapools (and other R rated upcoming Marvel movies) to get a PG 13 version for China while keeping its R rated version for the west.

 

[Marvel united]

He doesn’t deny that the X-Men could be joining the MCU but he’s more pointing out the oddities that come along with potentially integrating a superhero group who’s been traditionally met with public disdain/distrust into the same universe where civilians generally revere/adore another superhero group & treat them like celebrities. You have to admit there would be a double standard in that regard.

I never understood this critique. The Avengers are not really loved by the Public anymore and even if they were, there is a huge difference between a human mutate and a mutant. it's not hard to come up with a reason why the X-Men are hated and the Avengers are not.

 

[Detective Conan]

I never understood this critique. The Avengers are not really loved by the Public anymore and even if they were, there is a huge difference between a human mutate and a mutant. it's not hard to come up with a reason why the X-Men are hated and the Avengers are not.

But would people in real life really even care to make that distinction? This issue doesn’t just relate to the Avengers but also to FF—since soon the Mutants shall exist in the same universe as them which are another popular superhero group who’s generally well-liked by the public at large(to the point where there’s merchandising). Why would the public fear and detest Mutants like Scott Summers and Jean Grey while at the same time revere Mutates who are arguably freakier than a lot of Mutants like Mr. Fantastic — who can stretch? And especially The Thing who’s literally the most freakish of them all? Why are the FF not even commonly mistaken for Mutants when there’s already an overlap between them and the Mutants? These are serious logic questions that Feige and his team have to address in order to make the integration of these characters they’re getting from Fox believable.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Present day with flashbacks. No way it'll be another period piece after the Fox movies have had the X-Men stuck in the past for nearly 8 years now.

I think it'd be fun to do that. Like the X-Men were maybe a thing in the MCU years ago, before the Avengers were prevalent, then we see them in a mission that unites the 05.

It's just soooo many ways you can cut this cake.

 

[Dark Raven]

James McAvoy casts doubt on the X-Men joining the Avengers on screen (exclusive)

Why hasn't Simon Kinberg cast any doubt on such things himself? Instead he's probably certain they'll move forward with a few sequels and maybe crossovers.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

It is. Most comic artists past and present have a default hero & heroine face with hair styles or costumes being the only way to tell characters apart.

This is true for manga artists as well.

 

[Marvel united]

But would people in real life really even care to make that distinction? This issue doesn’t just relate to the Avengers but also to FF—since soon the Mutants shall exist in the same universe as them which are another popular superhero group who’s generally well-liked by the public at large(to the point where there’s merchandising). Why would the public fear and detest Mutants like Scott Summers and Jean Grey while at the same time revering mutates who are arguably freakier than a lot of Mutants like Mr. Fantastic — who can stretch? And especially The Thing who’s literally the freakish of them all? Why are the FF not even mistaken for Mutants when there’s already an overlap between mutates and Mutants? These are serious logic questions that Feige and his team have to address in order to make the integration of these characters they’re getting from Fox believable.

It's not just about people having powers or looking weird, it's about the Governments of the world being afraid of something that they can't control. It's about what mutants as a whole emblemize. The Avengers are under SHIELD jurisdiction and the F4 were already known figures in the public before the space mission. These are isolated incidents of people acquiring powers through unnatural means. What makes mutants different is that they do not go through some freak accident, they are BORN with their abilities; it is natural evolution and they are everywhere. They are a precursor to what the future of the human species is going to be -- and that realization is something that would scare a lot of people. That's what the Government would use to strike fear into the hearts of normal humans who would otherwise not be aware of the difference between Beast and the Thing.

Hence why my idea would be to make propaganda the driving force behind the hatred. The Government will use propaganda to make society scared of people born with abilities, because the government will not be able to control nor keep quiet their continuing population increase. Politicians for example trying to make people paranoid about who could be a mutant. The fear is that they will outnumber normal humans eventually; that'd be the spin and the truth. Make people scared of them so that the government can legally track them, and eventually legally contain them, or legally kill them. All of which they'd already be doing, but without legislation. That's where the the Mutant Registration Act comes into play -- which should be brought up at the end of the movie.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I never understood this critique. The Avengers are not really loved by the Public anymore and even if they were, there is a huge difference between a human mutate and a mutant. it's not hard to come up with a reason why the X-Men are hated and the Avengers are not.

Is it really that hard to see the populace in the MCU wanting a Mutant Registration Act after they already demanded and got a Superhero Registration Act?

 

[Marvel united]

Is it really that hard to see the populace in the MCU wanting a Mutant Registration Act after they already demanded and got a Superhero Registration Act?

Exactly. Mutants are like normal superhumans but dialed up to 11. One single mutant with the ability to level a city block could cause as much or more damage than Scarlet Witch did in Sokovia. This really writes itself. And as for how somebody would know who is and isn't a mutant -- the Government would make sure people know. "These are the good ones and these are the ones you should be afraid of"