The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Abudefduf]

The article say it's an openly gay character and that Marvel is hoping to cast a gay actor for the role.

And let's not kid ourselves, it's probably Hercules.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Even though Magneto was in every FOXMEN movie he wasn't the main villain except X1. And the FOXMEN vs Magneto fight in X1 sucked imo.


Wouldn't be against the real X-MEN vs the real Magneto in the MCU

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Is he supposed to be a gay character though or just a gay person playing? Because what's the difference between that and the likes of Ian McKellan as Magneto or many others in the X-Men franchise?

Key words "Marvel Studios"

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

double post delete

 

[Boom]

All this talk about how there's been too much Magneto, yet we'll all be here for it when the MCU casts him.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It wasn't just aimed at Osborn. He was the focal point of Feige's argument, yes. Because he had done the most. But it extended to all of Spidey's villains that had been done before. He specifically said that he wanted to use new villains before revisiting the old ones. Why would this same philosophy NOT apply to the X-Men when it's a stale franchise in need of rejuvenation? What argument is there to use Magneto again when nobody wants to see him again so soon for the 8th time? Because he contextualizes the X-Men's struggle? Um, yes but so does Senator Kelly. He can be the human political commentator who contextualizes the mutant problem. We can have a mutant bad of misfits that contextualize the struggle. Magneto does not need to be there in order for the themes to ring true. They need to be done in a different way that does not use Erik as a crutch to deliver a speech about intolerance and mutant racism.

If the only merit to Magneto hijacking the MCU X-Men is "he's one of the most popular villains" then I can easily see Feige bypassing him and making someone else one of the most popular villains. After Feige is done with Sinister or Cassandra Nova or Bastion or the Acolytes etc they will be JUST as popular as Magneto.

The answer to your question is easy: the X-Men are not Spider-Man. Thus Feige may have other ideas. Maybe ones that involve Magneto, which is what I would bet on.

 

[Darkprime]

All this talk about how there's been too much Magneto, yet we'll all be here for it when the MCU casts him.

Who could they even cast as Magneto? They already got Cumberbatch. Keep Fassbender on? Maybe. Jarred Harris would be kinda cool. Always makes for a good bad guy.

 

[Dark Raven]

This time next week we should hopefully be celebrating the return of the Fox characters to Marvel if the deal is finalised. Unless there's more admin to be done?

 

[Boom]

Who could they even cast as Magneto? They already got Cumberbatch. Keep Fassbender on? Maybe. Jarred Harris would be kinda cool. Always makes for a good bad guy.

I really like the idea of Adrien Brody, personally.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

This time next week we should hopefully be celebrating the return of the Fox characters to Marvel if the deal is finalised. Unless there's more admin to be done?

Maybe there’s enough time to film a super secret postcredit scene for Avengers Endgame with Four Freedoms Plaza...

Evicting Kinberg.

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe there’s enough time to film a super secret postcredit scene for Avengers Endgame with Four Freedoms Plaza...

Evicting Kinberg.

We see the FF in their building talking to Kinberg. But then it's hit by a missile or bomb. Sue is able to get a force field up to save everyone else, but not in time to save Kinberg.

 

[Lip]

Wouldn't be against the real X-MEN vs the real Magneto in the MCU

What excites me about Marvel Studios handling the X-Men isn't "unseen" characters and villains. What excites me is finally things done right.

Seriously, who doesn't want to see this?

 

[Marvel united]

The answer to your question is easy: the X-Men are not Spider-Man. Thus Feige may have other ideas. Maybe ones that involve Magneto, which is what I would bet on.

What makes them so fundamentally different from Spider-Man that Feige won't apply the same line of reasoning to their franchise? Especially when they need it more than he did. Are we also under the impression that Dr. Doom will be the first villain the F4 faces too in their first movie despite him being done twice now? Since apparently 7 movies of overexposure is a non-factor and doesn't need to be taken into account anymore.

 

[Crimz]

I think hopes are getting in the way of reality. Magneto has been in every single major X-Men film, he is overexposed. Marvel would likely not use him in the first film, it makes no sense to as there will be no excitement. It's better to save him for later films to build up anticipation, the same goes for Dr Doom. They shouldn't be used right away even if only to further differentiate the MCU X-Men from the Fox ones.

Marvel is not adverse to taking risks either, so it's not out of the question for them to use a lesser known villain.
For example, Mr Sinister is a relatively well known X-villain who hasn't been used yet. He'd make a good first villain for the franchise.

 

[Spider-Fan]

What makes them so fundamentally different from Spider-Man that Feige won't apply the same line of reasoning to their franchise? Especially when they need it more than he did. Are we also under the impression that Dr. Doom will be the first villain the F4 faces too in their first movie despite him being done twice now? Since apparently 7 movies of overexposure is a non-factor and doesn't need to be taken into account anymore.

The focus of the franchise is different. Spider-Man at its core is about a struggling boy trying to make ends meet, but the X-Men are about a cause for a people that lack MCU context. Magneto is one of the easiest characters to illustrate that struggle and he is their most infamous villain and one of them with this most depth. So I see many reasons to consider using him. Sure there are other options, but there is a reason Magneto is their most successful villain.

So once again, we just will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Marvel united]

I think hopes are getting in the way of reality. Magneto has been in every single major X-Men film, he is overexposed. Marvel would likely not use him in the first film, it makes no sense to as there will be no excitement. It's better to save him for later films to build up anticipation, the same goes for Dr Doom. They shouldn't be used right away even if only to further differentiate the MCU X-Men from the Fox ones.

Marvel is not adverse to taking risks either, so it's not out of the question for them to use a lesser known villain.
For example, Mr Sinister is a relatively well known X-villain who hasn't been used yet. He'd make a good first villain for the franchise.

I hope we can see at least 2 films without Magneto. I'd take Sinister in the first movie over seeing him again. Shi'ar in the second. Honestly, the best way to approach Magneto now is to build up to him and hint at him. Because the reality is - the GA is tired of seeing the same thing out of the X-Men repeated. Make people WANT to see him again as opposed to coming right out of the gate. Drop hints and foreshadow his arrival. Heck, if they want to, they can introduce Erik in the second movie as an old friend of Charles or something and then have a small scene of them having an ideological disagreement over mankind or something. Magneto goes full-on Terrorist in X-Men 3 and that's when the Brotherhood are formed and the climax could take place on Asteroid M (for differentiation).

I think the biggest difference between the MCU X-Men and the Singer-Men is that the ideological line between Charles and Erik will not define nor be the heart of the franchise. It will be about the X-Men as a team.

 

[Darkprime]

Here's a ? How connected should the X-Men be to the greater MCU do we need an avenger cameo in each movie? I mean part of the reason why we wanted them back was so they'd all be part of the same sandbox and could interact with the Avengers. But at the same time they need to stand on their own

 

[Dark Raven]

No more Mystique or Jennifer Lawrence in the MCU. I hope they don't offer her a role which then ends up becoming the most important.

Here's a ? How connected should the X-Men be to the greater MCU do we need an avenger cameo in each movie? I mean part of the reason why we wanted them back was so they'd all be part of the same sandbox and could interact with the Avengers. But at the same time they need to stand on their own

The can't really stand on their own in the MCU. Ideally they should, if they were under Marvel all along. But since they weren't, then if you keep them on their own and do a whole series of X-Men films with no-one else in the MCU, then all it becomes is a change of ownership of the X-Men property, but still exactly the same franchise.

To be distinctly different, we need to see other existing MCU characters show up. They can just be cameos, or have the X-Men cameo in other films.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Marvel is not adverse to taking risks either, so it's not out of the question for them to use a lesser known villain.

The Human Council controlling a group of Sentinels behind the scenes wouldnt be that bad imo.


Maybe like a more fleshed out version of Night of the Sentinels from TAS.

A lower level member could die and another could end up in prison at filns end. That was pretty effective in the pilot

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Here's a ? How connected should the X-Men be to the greater MCU do we need an avenger cameo in each movie?

A Illuminati member should briefly cameo to talk to Xavier in the movies.

Fury is a obvious candidate

Stark could create image inducers for the X-MEN like in the comics.

Possibilities are pretty much endless.


But Avengers Compound in the MCU is located not far from where the school will most likely be located

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Assuming he doesn't get killed in End Game, Thunderbolt Ross would make a lot of sense being in an X-Men film as the head of the government anti-mutant faction. The boss of someone like Trask or Gyrich.

 

[Marvel united]

Assuming he doesn't get killed in End Game, Thunderbolt Ross would make a lot of sense being in an X-Men film as the head of the government anti-mutant faction. The boss of someone like Trask or Gyrich.

This. Nick Fury too, trying to help Charles. The X-Men getting involved in operations they're not suppose to be in could cause tension between these two. Maria Hill could also appear.

Maybe Reed Richards in a small role

 

[Dark Raven]

Assuming he doesn't get killed in End Game, Thunderbolt Ross would make a lot of sense being in an X-Men film as the head of the government anti-mutant faction. The boss of someone like Trask or Gyrich.

Maybe Ross could be the one who sets up the fight between Wolverine and the Hulk. He won't care who wins, because it will either take care of the Hulk problem or the mutant problem.

BTW, I want Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends. It would be great to have Spidey, Iceman and Firestar together in live action.

 

[MbJ]

From The Hollywood Reporter.

WHAT HAPPENING WITH NEW MUTANTS? It's easy to forget, but, Dark Phoenix is not technically Fox's last X-Men movie. The studio has director Josh Boone's New Mutants dated for Aug. 2. The film was supposed to open in April 2018 ... and then it was pushed to February 2019, only to be pushed back again to August. Will it ever see the light of day under the Disney regime? (Likely yes.) Will it make it to theatres? (Umm...) Well, will it at least make it to Disney+ (Sounds like a safe bet.) But it still has reshoots to do, right? (None planned so far but things seem to be in the hands of Boone, say sources.)

Scooby-Doo Animated Movie to Star Will Forte, Gina Rodriguez and Tracy Morgan

The article say it's an openly gay character and that Marvel is hoping to cast a gay actor for the role.

And let's not kid ourselves, it's probably Hercules.

Somewhere, Axel Alonso is crying to himself.

 

[Xeno]

From The Hollywood Reporter.


Scooby-Doo Animated Movie to Star Will Forte, Gina Rodriguez and Tracy Morgan

This info tracks with what @slugzilla has been saying for months in the New Mutants forum. The few diehards left there have accused them (slugzilla) of trolling, but as time goes by everything they've said has borne out.

Somewhere, Axel Alonso is crying to himself.

Bendis gave some quotes to the unnamable site about the wretched Creative Committee that bedeviled Feige and Marvel's directors for several years. He had loads of fun tearing apart other writers' scripts and offering useless advice, he said. Maybe Alonso can lobby Ike to pressure Feige into killing off the gay hero. Because, you know, he has so much respect for representation that he wants gay characters to be represented amongst the dead of the MCU.