The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[DyfeddRex]

My timeline would be:
CM release: 3-8
Deal announced 3-15
Endgame "Bang" trailer: 3-21

But I cannot make any wager offers until I find out what of my sweets is left after forking over the bribe for that vote.

 

[Marvel united]

So... would they hold off by a week or more announcing the deal just to keep it from overshadowing CM's release? That is my bet, but I am often wrong, as we all know.

Also, just a query, just how much of my chocolate supply do I have to set aside for a certain "hypothetical female Fox shareholder" and what proof will I have of how that possibly mythological creature's voting record should I demand seeing before forking it over gang?

 

[Dark Raven]

to do such an event, the X-Men would need at least 5 previous movies (not exactly team movies, but at least 2 team movies and some solos, imo)

Although the general audience know the X-Men, as far as the MCU is concerned and the in-universe there, no-one knows them at all. So why should anyone care about them and even see them as heroes? As far as the Avengers are concerned, they would be a team of potential villains if they appeared on the scene without any prior introduction.

It would be like if Cap fought Iron Man from the start without ever fighting alongside him. They wouldn't have any hesitations about a potential fracture in their relationship, because there would be none.

There needs to be some kind of internal conflict for the Avengers if they fight the X-Men. They have to be somewhat reluctant and not fight them simply because they think they're bad guys. Rather, they have to see their point of view, but know that things have gotten to the stage where maybe there's no other choice. It would be like the fight at the airport in Civil War, just on a bigger scale.

That requires set up with the X-Men as actual heroes in a movie of their own. And maybe even one where they're persecuted by Sentinels and feared by the public.

What's happened to the Sokovia Accords btw? Is that still in effect or does the government even care about it with all the things happening with Thanos? Did they even deem the Thanos situation dire enough that they could approve the Avengers taking action?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I wonder if they might try and get Fantastic Four out by May 2020. I really dont think Black Widow would wow the audience in a prime summer release date. Its better suited for a late summer release. Then maybe the sequel can get the big May release date. More than likely Feige has been working on the Fantastic Four since last summer.

Black Widow is a much bigger name these days than Fantastic Four.

 

[TheVileOne]

Marvel Reportedly Planning An Avengers Vs. X-Men Movie

Fake news and clickbait.

The Fox acquisition isn't even finished. They can't really develop anything.

 

[Darkprime]

Fake news and clickbait.

The Fox acquisition isn't even finished. They can't really develop anything.

its like 95% done. And will probably be done in the next two weeks. lets not pretend like Feige probably hasn't been working up ideas over the last year.

 

[MbJ]

Black Widow is a much bigger name these days than Fantastic Four.

I still don't get the repeated assertions of "These MCU properties need to take the back seat to the FF and X-Men because these are now a bigger deal" when the MCU empire has largely been built off these types of characters.

 

[SumT]

for F4 to be released next year Feige would need a director and cast by now lol, to start filming in a few months. impossible lol.
2021 seems a good posibility, tho. We'll see

 

[Marvel united]

I still don't get the repeated assertions of "These MCU properties need to take the back seat to the FF and X-Men because these are now a bigger deal" when the MCU empire has largely been built off these types of characters.

Because of necessity. That's where the notion comes from. If Marvel had X-Men, Spider-Man F4, 10 years ago, the MCU would look completely different. As soon as the deal closes, they're not going to waste any time getting these characters integrated. Feige has made it clear many times in the past that he wants the X-Men in the MCU

 

[MbJ]

Because of necessity.

There's nothing necessitating squeezing out the existing or simply non-Fox properties they already have.

for F4 to be released next year Feige would need a director and cast by now lol, to start filming in a few months. impossible lol.
2021 seems a good posibility, tho. We'll see

Yeah. Particularly when Black Widow already has a director, writer and other crew positions attached.

 

[Dark Raven]

for F4 to be released next year Feige would need a director and cast by now lol, to start filming in a few months. impossible lol.
2021 seems a good posibility, tho. We'll see

Maybe when the deal is done, Feige will suddenly announce "Oh look what suddenly fell into place. All in the space of one day, a director and cast signed up! "

 

[Lip]

Because of necessity.

Exactly.

It's not like Marvel wanted to do Guardians of the Galaxy instead of FF, because they wanted to take creative risks.

 

[TheVileOne]

its like 95% done. And will probably be done in the next two weeks. lets not pretend like Feige probably hasn't been working up ideas over the last year.

We Got This Covered is a fake clickbait website.

 

[MbJ]

People keep using the "necessity" argument, yet Marvel has an Eternals movie in pre-production that is likely going to be teased at the end of Endgame and are actively working on Shang-Chi.

Them having the Fox characters back does not mean they're dropping any and all non-Fox characters. Particularly when they have a sequel to a certain billion dollar + grosser likely in the works anyway.

They're not going to drop their entire non-mutant or FF roster simply because they got something new to work with.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Because of necessity. That's where the notion comes from. If Marvel had X-Men, Spider-Man F4, 10 years ago, the MCU would look completely different. As soon as the deal closes, they're not going to waste any time getting these characters integrated. Feige has made it clear many times in the past that he wants the X-Men in the MCU

That was then. These other characters are well-established now. Black Panther and his billion dollars isn't going to take a backseat to Reed Richards just because that might have been the case if this deal was done a decade ago. Black Widow has been in multiple billion dollar grossers by now and has been the primary female character in the MCU for years.

Also, X-Men and the Fantastic Four aren't equal either. X-Men are a far more valuable brand so there is more incentive to get started earlier. As recently as last year Deadpool 2 featuring them grossed over $780 million.

 

[Lip]

They're not going to drop their entire non-mutant or FF roster simply because they got something new to work with.

Nobody is saying they'll drop every single franchise to develop only X-Men and FF. We're talking about those two properties being huge and Disney realistically won't sleep on it. It's not just fanboy dream. Disney wants money, and the X-Men will give them that easily.

Also, both X-Men and FF serve the MCU in terms of stories they can tell in ways that many other Marvel franchises can't. Those are two historically important franchise. They won't sleep on them.

 

[Marvel united]

There's nothing necessitating squeezing out the existing or simply non-Fox properties they already have.

Not neccesarily. More like getting things back on track. To the way they would have been had they had these properties in the first place. Marvel has wanted them back for a long time and they're not going to sit on their crown jewels when there is tremendous potential to expand their universe the way it was meant to be. There will be projects that get pushed back or delayed to make room. Count on it.

 

[MbJ]

Not neccesarily. More like getting things back on track.

LOL if the MCU is "off track" I'm sure most people would dream of creating a project that fails that badly.

Nobody is saying they'll drop every single franchise to develop only X-Men and FF.

Perhaps, but this began with someone saying Fantastic Four might take Black Widow's release date next year. Beyond that just seeming logistically unfeasible, it's indicative of the attitude I keep seeing about how everyone needs to step aside and make room for the real stars, as though the franchise didn't just have one of the highest grossing movies in history with flippin' Black Panther. There was a time where the X-Men were the biggest heroes on the planet and nobody at Marvel came close to touching them, but that's not the case.

I'm sure the X-Men will be a big deal in coming phases, but it's the arrogance and attitude like everything else Marvel is working on is expected to go gracefully out of the spotlight just because the mutants are back that I find funny and kind of condescending.

 

[Detective Conan]

I take that site with a grain of salt but I do think it'd be a bit disingenuous to say Feige doesn't have some idea about how he wants to do the mutants and First Family is fooling themselves. I'm sure outside the realm of the realities of adhering to those pesky licensing agreements Feige has been dreaming about the Fantastic Four and X-Men in his world just as much if not more than anyone.

And he did confirm he did already have 'vague' ideas about how'd do the FF and X-Men.

 

[Marvel united]

That was then. These other characters are well-established now. Black Panther and his billion dollars isn't going to take a backseat to Reed Richards just because that might have been the case if this deal was done a decade ago. Black Widow has been in multiple billion dollar grossers by now and has been the primary female character in the MCU for years.

Also, X-Men and the Fantastic Four aren't equal either. X-Men are a far more valuable brand so there is more incentive to get started earlier. As recently as last year Deadpool 2 featuring them grossed over $780 million.

No, no, no. That's not what anybody means. The existing MCU and the current characters dynamics at play aren't going to be radically altered because of the introduction of Marvel's First Family or the Uncanny X-Men. We are talking about the shift and prioritization of these properties in the future. And I'm sure that the F4 matter more to Marvel than a Black Knight movie.

And that's provided that Dark Phoenix doesn't come out and completely tank the brand. Let's hope it's just a mediocre movie that people quickly forget about and not a colossal embarrassment like Trank4stic

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

No, no, no. That's not what anybody means. The existing MCU and the current characters dynamics at play aren't going to be radically altered because of the introduction of Marvel's First Family or the Uncanny X-Men. We are talking about the shift and prioritization of these properties in the future. And I'm sure that the F4 matter more to Marvel than a Black Knight movie.

And that's provided that Dark Phoenix doesn't come out and completely tank the brand. Let's hope it's just a mediocre movie that people quickly forget about and not a colossal embarrassment like Trank4stic

We weren't talking about Fantastic Four taking the place of a Black Knight movie though. We were talking about it taking the place of a Black Widow movie. A core Avenger who has been a big part of the MCU since the third movie in Phase 1.

 

[Lip]

Perhaps, but this began with someone saying Fantastic Four might take Black Widow's release date next year. Beyond that just seeming logistically unfeasible, it's indicative of the attitude I keep seeing about how everyone needs to step aside and make room for the real stars, as though the franchise didn't just have one of the highest grossing movies in history with flippin' Black Panther.

FF taking the release date of Black Widow is simply not realistic. But let's remember that Spider-Man took the release date of Black Panther (or Ragnarok, don't remember now) and Marvel Studios changed their whole schedule to fit Spider-Man in it.

With that said, it's not unrealistic to expect Marvel prioritizing FF and the X-Men over something like Ant-Man 3, for instance. Or even Shang-Chi.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

FF taking the release date of Black Widow is simply not realistic. But let's remember that Spider-Man took the release date of Black Panther (or Ragnarok, don't remember now) and Marvel Studios changed their whole schedule to fit Spider-Man in it.

With that said, it's not unrealistic to expect Marvel prioritizing FF and the X-Men over something like Ant-Man 3, for instance. Or even Shang-Chi.

They had to. Spider-Man was still a Sony movie, not a Marvel movie. Marvel just handled the creative.

 

[MbJ]

Marvel having their first Asian superhero movie would be such a big deal that I don't expect to see that squeezed back for the FF or X-Men.

 

[KBX]

Black Widow, Eternals, Doctor Stange 2, Antman 3, Black Panther 2, Captain Marvel 2, GOTG 3, Spiderman 3 and probably Shang-Chi are all getting released before a MCU X-men or FF movie.

I see 2023 at the earliest. Feige plays the long game like no other.