The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Willie Lumpkin]

Venom's trailer views look fake to me. Anyone can buy views these days. When you compare it to videos with similar amount of views it has a lot less likes/dislikes.
Same when Gifted trailer came out. It got GoT amount of views which seemed fishy to me. That one has since been removed.

I believe YouTube counts multiple views by one person, so it's not crazy that Sony could have had some interns refresh, refresh, refresh all day to artificially pump the numbers.

Also, with the way Eddie and Venom's lines are unintelligible, many people may have watched multiple times to try to figure out what the hell they were saying.

 

[Dark Raven]

I believe YouTube counts multiple views by one person, so it's not crazy that Sony could have had some interns refresh, refresh, refresh all day to artificially pump the numbers.

Also, with the way Eddie and Venom's lines are unintelligible, many people may have watched multiple times to try to figure out what the hell they were saying.

People could've been watching the Venom trailer multiple times to see and laugh at how bad it was. Multiple views don't mean that something is good.

It's like people watching Tommy Wiseau's "The Room" everywhere. Just because tons of people are watching it doesn't mean that it actually improves the movie. They're watching it because they know it's one of the worst movies made, and they're there to laugh at its badness.

 

[First Avenger]

What I heard is that it's in their roadmap after they get the balance sheet in order, i.e. 2021 or later.

The gaming deal has nothing to do with the movie deal, like you said Insomniac could have chosen another Marvel character/team (except FF/XMen at that time).

We'll see what happens, but I wouldn't expect this game to be ported anywhere else. If it does it'll be a nice surprise.

It will not be ported because Sony is the publisher. Insomniac's Sunset Overdrive was published by Microsoft and never ported to other consoles outside xbox. They are independent developers who need publishers to fund/sell their products, and that publisher is Sony 95% of the time.

 

[rockman1216]

What I heard is that it's in their roadmap after they get the balance sheet in order, i.e. 2021 or later.

The gaming deal has nothing to do with the movie deal, like you said Insomniac could have chosen another Marvel character/team (except FF/XMen at that time).

We'll see what happens, but I wouldn't expect this game to be ported anywhere else. If it does it'll be a nice surprise.

Really so if they could go back to game publishing hopefully they do AAA games

Yeah the movie deal probably had nothing to do with the gaming one though I suspect a road block to Disney gaining game publishing rights to Spider-Man 2018 could be movie related stuff wouldn't want to mess with Sony on the game side lest Sony does something drastic on the movie side but that's speculation nothing more.

My personal hope is that Marvel/Disney sees how successful Insomniac's Spider-Man game is and seek to deal with Insomniac directly making sequels to Insomnia's Spider-Man game under Disney's publishing banner allowing them to have control over the platform where it's published.

I mean put it on everything it's Spider-Man I suspect that whatever Spider-Man PS4 makes Marvel could stand to make way more bringing an Insomniac Developed Spider-Man game to other platforms whether it be a sequel to this one(hopefully) or a different version of the character


I'm hoping it's a sequel then maybe they could make a deal with Sony to bring the first game out onto other platforms under Disney's publishing banner, and Marvel Games just works with Insomniac directly on future Spider-Man and Marvel related projects with Marvel/Disney.

 

[rockman1216]

It will not be ported because Sony is the publisher. Insomniac's Sunset Overdrive was published by Microsoft and never ported to other consoles outside xbox. They are independent developers who need publishers to fund/sell their products, and that publisher is Sony 95% of the time.

Well the strange thing about Sunset Overdrive
https://gematsu.com/2018/05/sunset-overdrive-rated-for-pc-in-korea

Also Sony being the publisher doesn't really mean much of things NIOH was published by Sony yet the game saw a Steam released.

I'm thinking if Disney is actually thinking about getting back into publishing and see Insomniac's success with their IP they might want to take that for themselves, and leave Sony out of it.


It's possible not saying it's happening but it's possible

I mean there are a few ways this could go about

Disney makes a trade with Sony for both movie rights and the rights to publish anything Spider-Man including Insomniacs game.

They go to Insomniac directly to make Spider-Man games and publish them under Disney Interactive(assuming that comes back) and maybe could forge a timed exclusivity deal with Sony.

Like We want to port the first game over but we will give you timed exclusivity over the others


Aww crap I accidentally double posted I'm sorry everyone didn't mean to do this

 

[Xeno]

SUMC...

That is such an ugly ass acronym.

All I see is SUCK.

 

[ADollarADay]

It will not be ported because Sony is the publisher. Insomniac's Sunset Overdrive was published by Microsoft and never ported to other consoles outside xbox. They are independent developers who need publishers to fund/sell their products, and that publisher is Sony 95% of the time.

Sony published the original Crash.
MS published Mass Effect.

That said, I agree with you.

Well the strange thing about Sunset Overdrive
https://gematsu.com/2018/05/sunset-overdrive-rated-for-pc-in-korea

Also Sony being the publisher doesn't really mean much of things NIOH was published by Sony yet the game saw a Steam released.

I'm thinking if Disney is actually thinking about getting back into publishing and see Insomniac's success with their IP they might want to take that for themselves, and leave Sony out of it.


It's possible not saying it's happening but it's possible

I mean there are a few ways this could go about

Disney makes a trade with Sony for both movie rights and the rights to publish anything Spider-Man including Insomniacs game.

They go to Insomniac directly to make Spider-Man games and publish them under Disney Interactive(assuming that comes back) and maybe could forge a timed exclusivity deal with Sony.

Like We want to port the first game over but we will give you timed exclusivity over the others


Aww crap I accidentally double posted I'm sorry everyone didn't mean to do this

I mean we don't know the contract so impossible to guess. I don't think they would go through all the trouble to port this one game though and they would just worry about the rest. Unless the game becomes an instant classic or part of a larger universe (i.e. MGU).

 

[rockman1216]

Sony published the original Crash.
MS published Mass Effect.

That said, I agree with you.



I mean we don't know the contract so impossible to guess. I don't think they would go through all the trouble to port this one game though and they would just worry about the rest. Unless the game becomes an instant classic or part of a larger universe (i.e. MGU).

Oh don't worry Spidey will most definitely be a great game possibly instant classic, and besides it's Spider-Man and Disney is well green with greed after all. If anyone can make sure it's a good deal or speed up the process it's them. Now obviously they aren't a genie in a magic lamp but it could be profitable and could introduce the other platform holders to this version of Spider-Man and his story.

It can also make them a lot of money in the end since they might just only have to pay for porting costs and maybe whatever they have to give to Sony though it could be a trade who knows.

 

[ADollarADay]

CCI (Competition Commission of India) has approved the merger.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...urdoch-s-company-in-india-118081200220_1.html

 

[WeaponXCII]

CCI (Competition Commission of India) has approved the merger.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...urdoch-s-company-in-india-118081200220_1.html

One down, fourteen more to go! I wonder what this means for the pacing of the next countries. Since I don't really know much about these things, I'm curious: are the other countries expected to rapidly follow suit, like a domino effect, or are we expecting something more drawn out?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

CCI (Competition Commission of India) has approved the merger.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...urdoch-s-company-in-india-118081200220_1.html

That's a big one.

 

[Raiden]

CCI (Competition Commission of India) has approved the merger.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...urdoch-s-company-in-india-118081200220_1.html

I hope with faster approval process, we can wrap this up ahead of schedule.

 

[Darkprime]

It says india is one 3 key crucial countries of approval. Im guessing China and Europe are the other two?

 

[WeaponXCII]

It says india is one 3 key crucial countries of approval. Im guessing China and Europe are the other two?

Umm....

 

[rockman1216]

So when do you guys think Disney is going to buy the Spider-Man Film license and hopefully everything else and bring it all under Disney

 

[Marvel united]

CCI (Competition Commission of India) has approved the merger.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...urdoch-s-company-in-india-118081200220_1.html

Things are moving very fast

 

[babykhris]

I think Disney will buy the Hulk and Namor related rights before they go after Spider-Man.

 

[rockman1216]

They can already use Hulk and Namor just can't movies with them as the lead

Disney however can't profit off Spider-Man movies and Sony can take him out of the MCU

 

[babykhris]

They can already use Hulk and Namor just can't movies with them as the lead

Disney however can't profit off Spider-Man movies and Sony can take him out of the MCU

I know they can use the Hulk and Namor, but they don't the distribution rights of the Edward Norton Incredible Hulk film or the Bill Bixby Hulk TV show.

Disney wants 100% of the imprints catalog that's why the are going after Turner regarding Star Wars streaming rights.

 

[Marvel united]

Spider-Man should be top priority over Hulk who Disney can use.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Buying Hulk would be a good coup. That’s how you can bring Wolverine into the MCU with a movie; I can’t think of any other way or MCU hero you can do Hulk vs Wolverine with if they don’t get the rights.

 

[Raiden]

Spider-Man should be top priority over Hulk who Disney can use.

I wish the same can be said about the characters from the Spider-Man Universe as well, because Sony is trying to make a movie based on everyone except Spidey.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It says india is one 3 key crucial countries of approval. Im guessing China and Europe are the other two?

Umm....

Well in fairness, the article says "markets" not countries. I don't have a subscription, and I don't know if the EU rules on such things or each country has to make their own decision.

If it is the EU, India, China and the EU would probably be the big three.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I do hope Disney can use some of the IPs they're gaining to make a deal with Universal to end the Hulk stand still so we can finally get a proper sequel.

 

[ADollarADay]

Spider-Man should be top priority over Hulk who Disney can use.

Priority should be to get the rights back at fair market value should the opportunity arise.

Disney can only get something if the licensee is willing to part with it. It would never happen, but if Disney offered CMCSA 39% of Sky for the Marvel rights they own and Comcast said naw, should Disney go back with more money? Same for offering Sony 5B for Spidey movie rights and Sony saying naw. There's fair market value and maybe a certain reasonable premium that Disney would pay for them and that's it.

Disney is probably looking to buy some rights for properties they own. The ones owned by NBCU and Sony are the big ones, but they probably also want distribution rights to some other properties owned by Paramount and Lionsgate, for example.

Buying Hulk would be a good coup. That’s how you can bring Wolverine into the MCU with a movie; I can’t think of any other way or MCU hero you can do Hulk vs Wolverine with if they don’t get the rights.

A TIH 2 post Avengers 4 where Hulk/Banner are still struggling with each other, Abomination breaks out, General Ross becomes Red Hulk, and of course Wolverine is introduced would be ****ing ace. However, there are plenty of ways to introduce Wolverine and this scenario would be a nice to have, not a must have.

I do hope Disney can use some of the IPs they're gaining to make a deal with Universal to end the Hulk stand still so we can finally get a proper sequel.

I find it unlikely that Disney would give up any of the IPs they acquire to get the limited Marvel rights that Universal owns.