The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Darkprime]

My one worry is Feige's villains outside of Loki and Thanos haven't been so good. Especially since were all hyped for Galactus and Doom they are going to have to step it up a notch.

 

[Marvel united]

My one worry is Feige's villains outside of Loki and Thanos haven't been so good. Especially since were all hyped for Galactus and Doom they are going to have to step it up a notch.

Vulture, Hela and now Talos - were all pretty great. They've definitely stepped their villain game up

 

[MbJ]

Killmonger was extremely well received.

You guys keep doubting the power of the mutants and the 4. I said it before, we’ve only seen them:

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We’ve never seen them:

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The X-Men will be resurgent.

I don’t think anyone is doubting them. Just saying the FF and X-Men breaking out as big cultural watershed moments like we’re seeing with BP or Captain Marvel isn’t really likely.

“Fantastic Four but Marvel is making it now!” or “But Wolverine has a mask now!” just isn’t the same sort of thing that people were excited over with finally those movies.

That’s not a dig. But even Spider-Man fell short of that despite the marketing doing everything possible to sell the idea that THIS Spidey would be in the MCU.

 

[Marvel united]

Definitely can't forget Killmonger. Easily one of the best MCU villains. Top 3

 

[MbJ]

CM made me really excited to see the Shi’ar at some point.

 

[Zarex]

I would agree in regards to the X-Men, as we've had well received Fox films even if the series has seemed a bit stale. But the prospects for an MCU FF series seem high given how lousy the prior films have been and how well this team would fit within the existing continuity. There's no guarantee of record BO, but there is enormous potential with an MCU sized budget and a team that (finally) gets the First Family.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I think X-Men MCU will pleasantly shock a lot of people. The good thing about them is that a lot of the mutants have fan bases that’s ready to see them represented well.

If Feige gets the casting right and the best writers, he’ll have a whole new generation of X fans.

 

[metaphysician]

Seeing Captain Marvel really makes me want F4 to be a 60's period piece much like XMFC was a sixties period piece and CM was a 90s period piece.

I know there are fans who are against that idea , but I would love to see a F4 during the mid sixties, period in the US with the upbeat attitude and bright color of films like That Thing You Do and the Sci Fi tv series of the decade like Lost In Space, Star Trek, and The Outer Limits.

Eh, it makes me think the opposite: the MCU should avoid trying to do any more "set in the past" movies. They are really, really hard to do well, and their batting record specifically on the "fitting stuff in the past" is only 50/50. Having *elements* of your movie in the past is fine, ala the Ant-Man movies or numerous other flashbacks. Setting the whole movie in the past? Requires a really deft touch.

 

[MbJ]

Realizing this matchup is close to a possibility is getting me hype.

 

[Fallen]

You guys keep doubting the power of the mutants and the 4. I said it before, we’ve only seen them:

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We’ve never seen them:

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The X-Men will be resurgent.

I hope MCU X-Men wear those colorful suits. CAN'T WAIT!! .

 

[HBarnill]

Definitely can't forget Killmonger. Easily one of the best MCU villains. Top 3

Top 3?! That implies he isn’t the best!

 

[Jh7058622]

Probably why they said "one of the best" if I were to wager...

 

[Iceman]

Vulture, Hela and now Talos - were all pretty great. They've definitely stepped their villain game up

Definitely can't forget Killmonger. Easily one of the best MCU villains. Top 3

Yep. Ego also was fine IMO, and then you have Thanos who completely delivered. The MCU have taken positive steps to fix the weak villain issue.

 

[First Avenger]

So I think there's a tiny plot point from captain marvel that implies Galactus' existence in the MCU.

 

[Zarex]

Yep. Ego also was fine IMO, and then you have Thanos who completely delivered. The MCU have taken positive steps to fix the weak villain issue.

The main areas of criticism lobbied at the MCU since its inception have been 1) weak villains, 2) sub par music, 3) limited diversity and 4) over reliance on humor. Feige and company have addressed the first three and I am hoping they ignore the fourth.

 

[Boom]

Realizing this matchup is close to a possibility is getting me hype.

Doom's mask is perfect there.

 

[Iceman]

The main areas of criticism lobbied at the MCU since its inception have been 1) weak villains, 2) sub par music, 3) limited diversity and 4) over reliance on humor. Feige and company have addressed the first three and I am hoping they ignore the fourth.

The main thing with the jokes is to ensure they don’t have them at important dramatic moments. It doesn’t matter if they’re great jokes, they need to cut them at those times for the benefit of the overall film.

 

[Raiden]

Phase 3 villains are way better than the previous 2 phases. I do wish Ant Man 2's Ghost would have been more threatening, though; she's more like an antagonist than a villain.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The main thing with the jokes is to ensure they don’t have them at important dramatic moments. It doesn’t matter if they’re great jokes, they need to cut them at those times for the benefit of the overall film.

I agree, and this relates, in a way, to something that bugged me in Captain Marvel and I'm curious if it bothered anybody else.

Toward the end, when she was just starting to kick butt, they played No Doubt's "I'm Just a Girl". At any other part of the film, sure, throw that song in, but at that moment, it completely took me out of the moment. You had an intense battle on-screen, but goofy bubble-gum music playing that destroyed the intensity.

Did that bother anyone else?

 

[Spider-Fan]

I wasn't crazy about that song choice, either. I mostly loved the music choices they made, but that one was not a good one.

 

[Lip]

I don’t think anyone is doubting them. Just saying the FF and X-Men breaking out as big cultural watershed moments like we’re seeing with BP or Captain Marvel isn’t really likely.

“Fantastic Four but Marvel is making it now!” or “But Wolverine has a mask now!” just isn’t the same sort of thing that people were excited over with finally those movies.

I understand your point comparing BP and CM with XM and FF. And I'll add that new about The Eternals portraying the first gay lead.

But all that makes me even more excited and intrigued about the MCU X-Men. We know, in the comics, the X-Men always reflected minorities issues and fight for civil rights. And it was considered a diverse team. I do believe Marvel will try to live up to that, and make the X-Men celebrate diversity for 2020s standards.

And what they're doing with BP, CM and Eternals is only setting the bar really high for the X-Men, and that's intriguing to me.

So yeah, I do think the MCU X-Men will be more than "Wolverine with a mask now". Putting all those women upfront, giving substantial roles for all the POCs and LGBTs might not be "new" inside the MCU, but still can be very meaningful. And I'm curious to see their take on the X-Men.

 

[Dark Raven]

And I’m mad I’ll probably have to wait until Wednesday to see Carol Danvers. Damn my friends and their plan cancelling asses!

So go on your own? I went on my own its honestly better that way IMO.

That’s the plan. It’s just Wednesday is the only time I’ll have free time to go see it

It sucks. Can’t even check IGN without seeing spoilers.

I only ever go on my own now to these Marvel movies, because I can't be bothered to wait for everyone else to try to figure out when they are free. And I don't want to have to wait on other people if I want to see a film earlier or at my own convenience.

Others sometimes want to turn it into a social. All I want is to see the film.

Or you have to plan weeks in advance to get anyone to do anything. If I had to wait for others, it could be a month or so before I could see the film. And by that time, it would probably not be playing in my local cinema anymore. And then sometimes people might try to suggest by majority vote that maybe we could see something else instead of the film I suggested in the first place. So it doesn't become about seeing the film but seeing any film and doing something together.

Now I don't mind seeing a film with others, but not when I wanted to see a very specific film myself and had to wait and then others decide later they would rather see something else anyway. I could've seen it by myself all that time.

So because of all that, it's better to see it on my own. Leave other films for this group outing.

 

[Dark Raven]

I agree, and this relates, in a way, to something that bugged me in Captain Marvel and I'm curious if it bothered anybody else.

Toward the end, when she was just starting to kick butt, they played No Doubt's "I'm Just a Girl". At any other part of the film, sure, throw that song in, but at that moment, it completely took me out of the moment. You had an intense battle on-screen, but goofy bubble-gum music playing that destroyed the intensity.

Did that bother anyone else?

That might be a spoiler for some who haven't seen the film.

Here's a thread to discuss things you liked or didn't like about the movie where you can mention spoilers:

Qs you have/ things you liked/disliked about Capt Marvel [SPOILERS]

 

[WereCoyote]

That might be a spoiler for some who haven't seen the film.

Here's a thread to discuss things you liked or didn't like about the movie where you can mention spoilers:

Qs you have/ things you liked/disliked about Capt Marvel [SPOILERS]

See I completely disagree, the sound track made me enjoy the movie even more.

 

[BeserkerHilf]

I agree, and this relates, in a way, to something that bugged me in Captain Marvel and I'm curious if it bothered anybody else.

Toward the end, when she was just starting to kick butt, they played No Doubt's "I'm Just a Girl". At any other part of the film, sure, throw that song in, but at that moment, it completely took me out of the moment. You had an intense battle on-screen, but goofy bubble-gum music playing that destroyed the intensity.

Did that bother anyone else?

I didn't take issue with the song itself. Here we had two things that on paper should go very well together. Upbeat banger of a song set to a full unleashing of her powers.

But whatever eye for action that was present during the Train fight was clearly not during this fight (or the stuff in the beginning). I couldn't tell if it was clunky choreography or camerawork, but there was no consistent flow to the fight. Plus, they kept cutting back to Fury's escape, which continued leaving the song at odds with bland images on screen.

They had a very fine line to walk with the needle drops in this movie and they slipped more than they landed.