The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[KBX]

MCU will have trouble with who they choose to play Wolverine, to the lesser extant Xavier and Magento, but the rest are easy peasy

 

[Shuri]

For the life of me I do not understand the Dardevil Season 3 d**k riding that's going on right now. I guess a lot of people enjoyed Murdoch's 13 episode sh***y black suit wearing pity party a lot more than I did.

Not that there weren't great moments, but I prefer my Daredevil shows with a lot more Daredevil and a lot less Matt Murdock wear's a sh***y black suit, and gets his ass kicked constantly while crying about it the whole time.

It's well written and acted and the villains were phenomenal.

 

[Detective Conan]

The problem is that the GA has now accepted Bryan Singer's vision of the X-Men as the definitive X-Men, and not the X-Men from the Marvel Comics that originated from the 60s and made popular by Claremont in the 80s. It will take MCU years to create an X-Men that replaces the one that people had grew up with 20 years ago.

I think you're overestimating how big an impression the X-movies made on general audiences and underestimating the power of the MCU. The the X-cast(besides with Wolverine) has already been recast quite a few times in the Fox-movies even when the movies never fully rebooted. Audiences will very easily accept the new MCU-rebooted cast..for the most part since Wolverine is really the only big shoes to fill. And to a lesser extent, Magneto and Xavier are also mighty big shoes to fill but there have already been other actors cast in those roles.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

The problem is that the GA has now accepted Bryan Singer's vision of the X-Men as the definitive X-Men, and not the X-Men from the Marvel Comics that originated from the 60s and made popular by Claremont in the 80s. It will take MCU years to create an X-Men that replaces the one that people had grew up with 20 years ago.

MCU will have trouble with who they choose to play Wolverine, to the lesser extant Xavier and Magento, but the rest are easy peasy

This is going to be a huge obstacle marvel will have to overcome, the xmen will need time to be refreshed unlike the fantastic 4 which have already been on ice for a few years. But marvel also will have the responsibility of finding writers and directors who can get the most out of the characters, plot, and cast all together. They need someone who can be like the russo bros. They revitalized and amped up the Captain America franchise, and they gave avengers a record breaking 3rd film where the second definitely suffered some being under Whedon. Imo the xmen cant be treated like antman or guardians where the tone is on the much lighter side and comedy is laid on in heft, but it cant be a borefest like they've been under fox.

The xmen is tough because there are so many characters and it's never a small ensemble. Its tough to make that many characters work especially when they all need development and the roster would constantly have to rotate or there would need to be more than one franchise concurrently running. All alongside marvel needing to cast a new wolverine, which I think he can be cast fairly easily. It's just the backlash that's inevitable to follow.

 

[Lilbaz]

I can understand people thinking that shipp wasn't african. Munn didn't look japanese.

What we don't do is abuse the actors for trying to do their jobs. They're actors, they're trying to play the role given to them. You don't have to like the film or the portrayal, that's down to you.

Don't be a dick.

 

[Marvel united]

MCU will have trouble with who they choose to play Wolverine, to the lesser extant Xavier and Magento, but the rest are easy peasy

I don't think it will be that hard. The best way Marvel can approach the situation Is to cast someone closer to the traditional image of Wolverine. And make him more of a foil as opposed to a lead.

Charles won't be hard to recast. Magneto will probably be given a break

 

[Detective Conan]

Aquaman made a billion dollars today folks. Its funny to me that a character once thought of as a joke made more money than Wolverine and the rest of those muties ever did! The fact that Aquaman and Black Panther joined the billion dollar club and the Fox Mutants never did tells me that audiences want new characters and Marvel’s gotta do something fresh and really different with the Mutants almost like you’ve never seen them on screen before in order for them to regain their household status and be a billion dollar grosser. Does anyone understand where I’m coming from?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah because theres 20 years of consistent history of these characters on screen. I want day they're over exposed but their identity is most definitely affected by the outings fox has had. I think marvel needs to slowly build the xmen up with a new identity.

 

[Marvel united]

Imo, the best way to do that is to make mutants a huge deal in the MCU. Something is built up through different movies

 

[ironwez20]

I can understand people thinking that shipp wasn't african. Munn didn't look japanese.

What we don't do is abuse the actors for trying to do their jobs. They're actors, they're trying to play the role given to them. You don't have to like the film or the portrayal, that's down to you.

Don't be a dick.

It’s quite simple really. Dark skin actors mostly women are seen as unsightly and looked down in media. Casting a light skin storm was kinda disrespectful cause storm isn’t really light skin. People said they’d like a dark skin female for the role and she flipped out on them. She isn’t doing anything groundbreaking with the role so there was no need to flip out on people. Then she was spouting crap about colorism but she knows full well they gave her the role cause she had lighter skin and not cause of her acting. They are so many dark skin actresses and she got offended cause the people wanted a darker representation of storm. She’s the one who freaked out.

So I can’t wait to see her entitled ass be replaced by someone more deserving of the role. Fox never represented storm well imo so I can’t wait to see what they do with her in the mcu. Hopefully she won’t be just done background character

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I need to know the cloaking spell that DC is using to make Aquaman part of the billion dollar club because I just don't get it.

 

[Darkprime]

I wonder if the Russos are being setup to replace Feige at some point? Would be cool seeing them transition to a produce role.

 

[KBX]

I wonder if the Russos are being setup to replace Feige at some point? Would be cool seeing them transition to a produce role.

I hope not. No one in any studio has come close what Feige has done. I want him on the MCU for the next 10 years

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

It’s quite simple really. Dark skin actors mostly women are seen as unsightly and looked down in media. Casting a light skin storm was kinda disrespectful cause storm isn’t really light skin. People said they’d like a dark skin female for the role and she flipped out on them. She isn’t doing anything groundbreaking with the role so there was no need to flip out on people. Then she was spouting crap about colorism but she knows full well they gave her the role cause she had lighter skin and not cause of her acting. They are so many dark skin actresses and she got offended cause the people wanted a darker representation of storm. She’s the one who freaked out.

So I can’t wait to see her entitled ass be replaced by someone more deserving of the role. Fox never represented storm well imo so I can’t wait to see what they do with her in the mcu. Hopefully she won’t be just done background character

Couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[Raiden]

I can understand people thinking that shipp wasn't african. Munn didn't look japanese.

What we don't do is abuse the actors for trying to do their jobs. They're actors, they're trying to play the role given to them. You don't have to like the film or the portrayal, that's down to you.

Don't be a dick.

I thought Olivia Munn is Vietnamese?

 

[Raiden]

It’s quite simple really. Dark skin actors mostly women are seen as unsightly and looked down in media. Casting a light skin storm was kinda disrespectful cause storm isn’t really light skin. People said they’d like a dark skin female for the role and she flipped out on them. She isn’t doing anything groundbreaking with the role so there was no need to flip out on people. Then she was spouting crap about colorism but she knows full well they gave her the role cause she had lighter skin and not cause of her acting. They are so many dark skin actresses and she got offended cause the people wanted a darker representation of storm. She’s the one who freaked out.

So I can’t wait to see her entitled ass be replaced by someone more deserving of the role. Fox never represented storm well imo so I can’t wait to see what they do with her in the mcu. Hopefully she won’t be just done background character

This is why Black Panther is so ground-breaking; they didn't just cast one dark skinned actress in their movie, but they cast all of them for various prominent supporting roles that even outshined the leading character. BP proved that Hollywood should get over their light skinned obsession and cast a wider net for casting for black female characters.

 

[Zyraquis]

I need to know the cloaking spell that DC is using to make Aquaman part of the billion dollar club because I just don't get it.

One word - China. If the film behaved like other DC or solo MCU movies ie 100m plus instead of 250m plus it would still be a hit but probably an under 1bn hit. The director seems to have a following there.

 

[Smurphftw]

It's well written and acted and the villains were phenomenal.

As a crime drama, it was quite good.

As a Daredevil show I would have greatly preferred more Daredevil and less de-powered, super whiney Matt Murdoch.

Its ashame there wont be a Season 4 because it sounded more like the type of Daredevil season I would have liked. A Daredevil show that actually has Daredevil in it.

 

[ADollarADay]

One word - China. If the film behaved like other DC or solo MCU movies ie 100m plus instead of 250m plus it would still be a hit but probably an under 1bn hit. The director seems to have a following there.

Gavin Feng (China BO expert) has pretty much said Disney sucks at marketing over there and it shows. Aquaman and Venom hitting close to 300MM where Marvel solo movies usually do 100-120MM strengthens his claim. Infinity War did not do that much better than these two non Disney marketed solo Superhero movies.

I'm going to be very interested in how Captain Marvel, Endgame, Shazam, FFH, and Joker (if released) do in China. If we see a pattern, then it might be time for Disney to course correct their marketing department there.

 

[wobbly]

Gavin Feng (China BO expert) has pretty much said Disney sucks at marketing over there and it shows. Aquaman and Venom hitting close to 300MM where Marvel solo movies usually do 100-120MM strengthens his claim. Infinity War did not do that much better than these two non Disney marketed solo Superhero movies.

I'm going to be very interested in how Captain Marvel, Endgame, Shazam, FFH, and Joker (if released) do in China. If we see a pattern, then it might be time for Disney to course correct their marketing department there.

Interesting. I always figured it was just a cultural difference thing as to why some movies that are pretty average in the west can do fantastic over there.

 

[Lilbaz]

It’s quite simple really. Dark skin actors mostly women are seen as unsightly and looked down in media. Casting a light skin storm was kinda disrespectful cause storm isn’t really light skin. People said they’d like a dark skin female for the role and she flipped out on them. She isn’t doing anything groundbreaking with the role so there was no need to flip out on people. Then she was spouting crap about colorism but she knows full well they gave her the role cause she had lighter skin and not cause of her acting. They are so many dark skin actresses and she got offended cause the people wanted a darker representation of storm. She’s the one who freaked out.

So I can’t wait to see her entitled ass be replaced by someone more deserving of the role. Fox never represented storm well imo so I can’t wait to see what they do with her in the mcu. Hopefully she won’t be just done background character

So i suppose people hated the darker skinned colour of the people in black panther? She said the people being racist were mostly black people. Because they were. She was the victim of abuse, don't try and make out that it was her fault. For what? She had a white parent? That makes her entitled?

Have a long hard look at yourself and find the prejudice.

 

[Lilbaz]

I thought Olivia Munn is Vietnamese?

Yes half (father is white american) and doesn't look japanese.

Nigerians look different to Somalians. Vietnamese look different to Japanese.

 

[Darkprime]

Interesting. I always figured it was just a cultural difference thing as to why some movies that are pretty average in the west can do fantastic over there.

Yea Venom and Aquaman appeal to the Chinese audience in different ways. They love crazy visuals and weird monsters. I knew Venom would do well over there. Given how popular Godzilla is etc.

 

[Detective Conan]

One word - China. If the film behaved like other DC or solo MCU movies ie 100m plus instead of 250m plus it would still be a hit but probably an under 1bn hit. The director seems to have a following there.

This is true, in the China the film was marketed explicitly as “From the director of Fast & Furious 7” -- using directors previous resume to hell sell the movie which helps tremendously since that franchise is one of the biggest Hollywood franchises in China but I also think there’s something about Aquaman that’s also particularly appealing audiences there. Keep in mind that while Aquaman in the West mostly has a mixed response in China the film has been really well received(better than BP another new superhero film that joined the billion dollar club). Aquaman has a rating of 7.8 on Douban(which is basically the Chinese equivalent to Rotten Tomatoes) while BP got a mediocre 6.8 score. Aquaman also received an extension for its a theatrical run in the Middle Kingdom something only few other Hollywood films such as Infinity War get -- which indicates how well the movie is doing especially in repeat viewings. It seems audiences want new characters so to me the answer seems to lie in doing a really fresh take on the X-Men that;s so different from what we've seen before to the point it kind of feels like you're seeing the first ever X-Men film.

 

[Dark Raven]

I wonder if the Russos are being setup to replace Feige at some point? Would be cool seeing them transition to a produce role.

Maybe Feige can transition into an acting role too. He can play Professor X himself!